Save essendon Group

[pazza]

All fair and above board that Jabso.

Bit of a history lesson for the good folk reading this (and this information comes from members and supporters much older than me, plus memories I have of previous Sheedy issues).

Going back to the late 1970's, the mere suggestion of Sheedy being at Essendon had the fans back then shuddreing. He was approached as early as the end of 1975 whilst playing in fact. But still, his appointment in 1980 wasn't as well supported as people might think.

On 3 separate occassions, the earliest being 1985, Sheedy was approached by the Sydney Swans to take over that job.

Richmond too have made approach after approach over the years..both officially and unofficially. Even now, there are suggestions that Sheedy could be there next year - as Director Of Coaching (oh how Plough would love that!)

In 1998, Alec Epis, a former great of Essendon in the 50's and 60's was elected to the board and at the end of that year, he wanted Sheedy to go. Then Chariman Graeme McMahon, led the Board to retain Sheedy.

In reality, it has taken 10 years for Epis in fact, to get his man.

 

[Merv]

What am I wrong on ? I recall you disagreeing with me before but not you pointing out something that was actually factually incorrect ?

The one on the main board was something along the lines of you stating that Jackson and Horsborough were responsible for making the decision on the new coach, or something along those lines, i cbf'ed looking it up feel free to do so if you can.

If I was an Essendon member Id support the removal of Jackson and Horsborough, they have absolutely botched this season and are setting the club up on a road to nowhere.

While i disagree on the initial part of that sentence, that is more a matter of opinion rather than a fact, so i won't argue the point on that.
The second part is wrong as the changes they have made are actually doing the exact opposite to what you say.

Apart from the coach they have also put in place other steps to make sure we are on a road to somewhere.
You see you wouldn't even know what they have done, you are just sprouting off without knowing what you are talking about.

Essendon need to get competent board members and administrators in place ASAP.

We already have them.
These are the same board members and administrators that have seen us become one of the wealthiest, best supported and successful clubs in the AFL.
The majority of them were there when we last won a GF, 7 years ago, and are regarded by many in opposition clubs and the AFL as some of the best in the business.

How many off field issues have Essendon had in comparison to say.......ummm...collingwood?

When did collingwood last win a flag?

Maybe you should be asking questions about your own board members and admins and leave ours to people who actually know what they are doing

 

[Merv]

There is going to be an egm.

The board will spill the beans and explain why Sheedy was sacked. That will be the end of it.

I don't want to generalise, but the people who despise the people who made the decision and the people in "Save Essendon" seem to be elitist "higher tier" members and mainly older members. The club is bigger than any individual, even Sheedy. How much sugar did they want the board to put on the sacking of Sheedy? Any sacking of a person is a brutal and ruthless affair, let alone the sacking of a club legend. I fail to see how they could have handled this better without compromising the needs of the Essendon Football Club. I say Save Essendon from stupidity.

It might not get to an egm, hopefuly it won't.

You are spot on there mate.
People complained because Ray lied...OMG, shock horror someone involved in football LIED!!!!!!!

Sheedy did it every day of his life FFS.

 

[understudy]

We already have them.
These are the same board members and administrators that have seen us become one of the wealthiest, best supported and successful clubs in the AFL.
The majority of them were there when we last won a GF, 7 years ago, and are regarded by many in opposition clubs and the AFL as some of the best in the business.

Footy's changed a hell of a lot since then, Essendon are way behind the leaders of the pack as can be seen from three consecutive years in the bottom 8.

The people in charge dont have the nous or knowledge to turn the club around, simple as that.

 

[Merv]

Footy's changed a hell of a lot since then, Essendon are way behind the leaders of the pack as can be seen from three consecutive years in the bottom 8.

The people in charge dont have the nous or knowledge to turn the club around, simple as that.

It is not as simple as that.
Again you are wrong.

I showed you already where you were wrong, now you show me from your above statement how you are "factually" right

If not i think it would be safe to say you are just actually trolling.

 

[blumfieldisback]

Footy's changed a hell of a lot since then, Essendon are way behind the leaders of the pack as can be seen from three consecutive years in the bottom 8.

The people in charge dont have the nous or knowledge to turn the club around, simple as that.

hmm hang on, arent they trying to do that now, isnt that why there under pressure because there trying to make change?

there changing the coach there changng footy department, and they have some kids coming through who could drive the club upto to the upper echelon in 3 years.

 

[understudy]

It is not as simple as that.
Again you are wrong.

I showed you already where you were wrong, now you show me from your above statement how you are "factually" right

If not i think it would be safe to say you are just actually trolling.

Its obviously my opinion on what I have and am seeing going on down there.

 

[Merv]

Its obviously my opinion on what I have and am seeing going on down there.

So there you have it.

This all started because i told you that you were wrong.

You challenged me to point out where you were wrong

I did.

You the made another statement

I challenged you

You folded

If you are going to make statements on our board and carry them off as if they are facts,

example

The people in charge dont have the nous or knowledge to turn the club around, simple as that.

and you won't back them up factually, as i did for you, then they will be treated as trolls and the rules for trolling are located here if you would like to read them.

 

[Daytripper]

The people in charge dont have the nous or knowledge to turn the club around, simple as that.

And what makes you so qualified to pass judgement ?

Do you attend the Board Meetings ?
At a guess, No.

Do you have experience in running a large corporation ?
At a guess, No

What you are good at though is trolling Essendon. Thats something you're perfectly qualified to do.

 

[understudy]

I can assure you Im not trolling. I watch and follow football and form opinions about people involved in football, football clubs and their boards.

We all have opinions, we all make judgements.

If you guys think everyone and everything is going beautifully down at bomberland and they are leading the way in the AFL after three bottom 8 finishes you are seriously deluded.

 

[Daytripper]

I can assure you Im not trolling. I watch and follow football and form opinions about people involved in football, football clubs and their boards.

We all have opinions, we all make judgements.

If you guys think everyone and everything is going beautifully down at bomberland and they are leading the way in the AFL after three bottom 8 finishes you are seriously deluded.

If its your opinion, then fine.

However, when you make blanket statements like this

The people in charge dont have the nous or knowledge to turn the club around, simple as that.

then at least have the courtesy to have a disclaimer stating that it is your opinion only.

Especially when you are on an opposition teams board.

 

[d-mac3276]

These ppl need to get lives simple as that how bloody pathetic r they.

 

[Minglis]

I never questioned your interest, as you are obviously the understudy of Macpie with the amount of interest you have in us.

My point is you continually make incorrect statements.

How do you figure his statement you are referring to in this thread is incorrect, being that it can only be proven by the events of 08/09/10? Indeed, your statement that his statement is "incorrect" is... incorrect. You may imply that it will be shown to be incorrect, but at this point in time, its not.

Grandstand more.

 

[Merv]

How do you figure his statement you are referring to in this thread is incorrect, being that it can only be proven by the events of 08/09/10? Indeed, your statement that his statement is "incorrect" is... incorrect. You may imply that it will be shown to be incorrect, but at this point in time, its not.

Grandstand more.

What a surprise that this thread bought you back out again.

Cry More

 

[Minglis]

What a surprise that this thread bought you back out again.

Cry More

What a suprise your still all over these threads like a bad smell, determined to crap on counterarguments rather than be shown up.

Be wrong more.

 

[understudy]

How do you figure his statement you are referring to in this thread is incorrect, being that it can only be proven by the events of 08/09/10? Indeed, your statement that his statement is "incorrect" is... incorrect. You may imply that it will be shown to be incorrect, but at this point in time, its not.

Thanks Minglis, exactly what I said to him.

To many people down at Essendon are unquestioning of the board and as a result their club is sliping down a slippery slope ...

 

[Merv]

Thanks Minglis, exactly what I said to him.

To many people down at Essendon are unquestioning of the board and as a result their club is sliping down a slippery slope ...

lol, i see you have found yourself a sympathetic ear

That is not what you said at all.

This is what you said when i asked you to back up your statement with facts

Its obviously my opinion on what I have and am seeing going on down there.

 

[understudy]

Take a chill pill Merv, if you think things are on track down at windy hill, good luck to you.

I dont see it that way, its not about facts or lies, the fullness of time will tell the story.

 

[Bomber57]

Ah mate....settle down - I was only asking the question so I actually could voice my opinion....I'm comfortable with anyone doing it - but I want more information....i want to be able to ask some questions before I support, or deny support....

Scottknowsall,

I wasnot having a go at you or any person who has posted here, I am just saying if you don't like what the Save Essendon people are doing then take it to the right forum.

Like what they say or not, as Fully paid MEMBERS they are entitled to have their say.

 

[Longy413]

Like what they say or not, as Fully paid MEMBERS they are entitled to have their say.

Yes, but they aren't entitled to speak for all of us.

Early days the passed themselves off as a group that was representing Essendon's supporter base.

They want to oust the board without a plan, without a ticket, without a clue.

If you want to make a difference, at least know how you are going to do it and who is going to do it for you.

Don't close your eyes and throw darts at the board.

 

[Crave]

This group of ill informed members are simply exercising their right to challenge the board.

They haven't put a proposal forward apart from ousting key influential figures.

Fact is, if they were to be remotely successful, Essendon as a club would be in so much turmoil...it could bring us back to when we were another battling club of the early 80s.

Im embarrassed to have the footballing community assume they represent me as a paid up member.

 

[Longy413]

Fact is, if they were to be remotely successful, Essendon as a club would be in so much turmoil...it could bring us back to when we were another battling club of the early 80s.

In the end, it would probably only cost us 40k.

They won't get the vote to cause a board spill anyway.

 

[Crave]

The club shouldnt have to foot that bill. Common sense suggests it should be similar to a club lodging an appeal against a sentence. If they want to appeal a decision, pay the club for that right to challenge. Seems fair to me.

 

[rhino49]

Agree with all your comments above, and these so called saviours are doing nothing but detering us from attracting the best coach and allowing the boards decsion to be proven correct.

Jacksons reign has been very successful and helped us become one of the melbourne power houses. Whilst Horsburgh behind the scenes has generated large sponsorship money and invested it heavily for future benfits, least he showed enough balls to take the roll on, when if we remeber Mckissock stood down at the end of last year as the board knew this decision needed someone that had a history of making such tough decisions. Who care if he doesnt present well in front of a camera.

For the best interest of our Football club all memebers need to put an end to this faceless group and vote for the current board so we can move on.

well said muflap, the save essendon group is an absolute joke, they guy today on KB's show was banging on and on about how he has been there for 27 years, who gives a flying how long he has been there, look at our performances over the past three years 13th, 15th, 12th, every other club in the leauge(except richmond) would have sacked the coach, this group wouldnt have a clue about all the good work big ray and jackson have done for this club, all members vote this joke of a group out and keep the current board which is just doing its job for the best interests of our club.

 

[blumfieldisback]

well said muflap, the save essendon group is an absolute joke, they guy today on KB's show was banging on and on about how he has been there for 27 years, who gives a flying how long he has been there, look at our performances over the past three years 13th, 15th, 12th, every other club in the leauge(except richmond) would have sacked the coach, this group wouldnt have a clue about all the good work big ray and jackson have done for this club, all members vote this joke of a group out and keep the current board which is just doing its job for the best interests of our club.

good to see some of us has some common sense