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Wild Kangaroo

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Mark Blicavs is one of his. Reminds me of Garry Ziebell and Kayne Turner.

Cameron Guthrie’s dad Andrew, who had coached Blicavs as a junior footy player, mentioned to Geelong recruiter Michael McMahon that there was this 198cm bloke who could run 3km in under 8½ minutes.

It was little wonder the Cats’ recruiting staff’s ears pricked up, given, at that time, the record for the 3km at the AFL draft combine was held by Bradley Hill at 9min, 52 secs.

“So they put two and two together and thought if he can handle the ball then he’s going OK,” Blicavs said.

“I think also the recruiters are really thorough, if they even sense that someone has potential, they’ll go through that, so I was one of probably hundreds that year, it just so happened to have worked out.”


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Gregson is another:

4. Gregson gold
All of the big names contributed in Geelong's blistering seven-goal first term, but alongside Tom Hawkins, Joel Selwood and Mitch Duncan was a small first-year forward more than pulling his weight. 18-year-old Cory Gregson kicked two smart goals in the opening term from seven disposals, and continues to add some classy finishing and speed to the Cats' forward mix. The 175cm South Australian was the Cats' second selection at last year's draft down the order at No.47, but has played every game this year, so credit again goes to list manager Stephen Wells, recruiter Michael McMahon and the club's scouting team for finding a promising player beyond the top 30. Gregson's 18 disposals and three goals should see him strongly considered for the round six NAB AFL Rising Star nomination
Cameron Guthries dad, who played a couple of games for Fitzroy and Essendon in the 80's
 

giantroo

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Sep 23, 2005
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Gone according to Tom Morris

That’s an unusual structure within a football club these days. At the vast majority of clubs, the head coach reports to the football boss. The modern day governance requirements demand clear lines of communication.

Joyce is well liked but inexperienced in the role after holding list management responsibilities before he took the role. Scott runs the show and everyone within the football and administration knows this. McMahon joined the club from Geelong in late 2016 and was under the pump from the outset.

These three likely departures signal a mass restructure at North Melbourne that is expected to re-shape the club for 2020.
 

mouncey2franklin

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They're sacking the wrong Mac.

They had two others to choose from and they picked this guy out, like a Macmillan's kick which splits the North players and winds up in a Sydney lap.
 

Passmore

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May 22, 2001
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Gone according to Tom Morris

That’s an unusual structure within a football club these days. At the vast majority of clubs, the head coach reports to the football boss. The modern day governance requirements demand clear lines of communication.

Joyce is well liked but inexperienced in the role after holding list management responsibilities before he took the role. Scott runs the show and everyone within the football and administration knows this. McMahon joined the club from Geelong in late 2016 and was under the pump from the outset.

These three likely departures signal a mass restructure at North Melbourne that is expected to re-shape the club for 2020.
Ok..that went well. We’re clearly going scorched earth off field. Finnegan holding his spot?

Maybe we can entice Bryce Lewis back The acurate one
 

Mixed Results

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It's hard to judge his performance given that guys like LDU, Thomas and Scott practically drafted themselves. Given he didn't have much of a say in the 2016 draft, then it's really only the Walker and Taylor picks that he has had in the top 60. Guys beyond that range in Xerri, Hayden and Murphy also seem pretty solid, but perhaps the club doesn't want to accept solid anymore.

One thing for sure is that Geelong have absolutely thrived since he left, having absolutely smashed the last few drafts.
 

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Perhaps with the Joyce departure the club is wiling to back in Mark Finnigan as our recruiter and bring in a list manager who has a background in list management/trading as opposed to recruitment.

Our set up was definitely pretty weird given our list manager was essentially a second recruitment manager as Joyce presumably had total control of the list with Brad. We'd then be able to bring in a GM of Football who would have a more traditional role of overseeing the football department and letting the list/recruitment managers do their thing.
 
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giantroo

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There was also a consensus that Shaw’s appointment was particularly important given the instability at North. Football department chief Cameron Joyce is on the way out, with replacement Brady Rawlings not due to start until December after being poached from West Coast.

List manager Michael McMahon has continued to deal with player contracts in recent months, but there is a widespread industry view that he is on shaky ground.

 

Psicosis

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I don’t know enough about MM, but hope that our recruitment team is something that we continue to address - Brady is a huge get, however I’d like us to try and poach another with runs on the board in this department.
 

tazaa

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Fair enough, but it would seem he's leaving. So one would assume there's been some issues internally that haven't painted him in the best light. Why else would he be moved on?
Just that in the short amount of time he’s been with us all of a sudden we have moved him on?
Was he really that poor that internally we saw him as surplus to requirements?
Where exactly was it that he struggled?
I know the Queensland draftees have been poor and some of our rookie selections left plenty to be desired but based on his appointment being the 14/11/2016 he has overseen the following:

2016 National Draft
PickPlayerRecruited fromGames for North
12Jy Simpkin*Murray Bushrangers56*
34Declan WatsonBrisbane Lions Academy0
36Josh WilliamsGold Coast Academy2
73Nick Larkey*Oakleigh Chargers19

Rookie Draft
PickPlayerRecruited fromGames for North
11Cameron Zurhaar*East Fremantle28*
28Oscar JunkerWestern Jets0*
43Matthew TaylorPerth0

Tick - Simpkin, Larkey, Zurhaar
Fail - Watson, Williams, OJ, Taylor


2017 National Draft
PickPlayerRecruited fromGames for North
4Luke Davies-Uniacke*Dandenong Stingrays21*
23Will Walker*Sandringham Dragons4*
62Kyron Hayden*Subiaco1*
72Tristan Xerri*Western Jets0*
77Billy HartungHawthorn13

Rookie Draft
PickPlayerRecruited fromGames for North
4Thomas Murphy*Dandenong Stingrays4*
20Gordon NarrierPerth0

Tick - LDU, WW, Kyron, Xerri, Murphy,
Fail - Hartung, Narrier


2018 National Draft
PickPlayerRecruited fromGames for North
8Tarryn Thomas*North Launceston20*
46Curtis Taylor*Calder Cannons2*
49Bailey Scott*Gold Coast Academy4*
69Joel Crocker*Sandringham Dragons0*

Rookie Draft
PickPlayerRecruited fromGames for North
10Tom McKenzie*Northern Knights0
41Tom WilkinsonSouthport0

Tick - TT, Taylor, Scott, Crocker, McKenzie
Fail - Wilkinson

Not really that bad in terms of drafting. So is it the delisting or contracts along the way where he has drawn criticism? Or the failed Big fish pursuits? The trading has been good too.
Marley Williams, Hrovat is a good clubman who we kept on, Polec, Ahern, Pittard.
Tyson and Hall are too early to be called busts.

The big fish fails is the only thing I can think of that in his role as list manager - is that anyone who was involved with the push to get Kelly, Martin and Gaff is being moved on as it showed an inability and weakness at the negotiating front to seal the deal.
Three strikes and out. Not to mention the offers to Heeney and De Goey. If that’s the case, then yes I can see why he and Joyce’s have been moved on.
 

Rad Roo

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The big fish was as much media ploy as the actual signing. It worked to a treat because it took the focus away from the dismal performance in 2017 and by the end of the year, everyone was talking about north didnt get their man instead of north the bottom 2 team. The andrew gaff was a bigger failure in that that was no narrative and it reeked of desperation that we need someone big named. Im glad we are much more hush hush these days. The big name players pales in comparison to the right heads of the department. We need to get the right department heads who understand football and our club before the big names. If you have the right cause and have the right leaders, you will get great followers.
 

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