SC Rucks Discussion Thread

[SaintsSeptember]

R1 Shaping as a nighmare for Rucks.

No GC (No Tippet, No Smith etc)
No Petrie
No Tippett
No Jacobs

Which Roookie ruckman is going to play Rd 1 ???

Given that most teams are trying to get away from having a ruck tying up a spot on their bench, its not surprising there are none.
Vickery is probably the cheapest option who will be playing round 1 and later.

What has not been picked up by the DT and SC is that there will be young forwards who will fill in the ruck. Recently elevated ( temporarily) Archer at StKilda will probably be one, but he's not listed as a ruck for DT or SC. ( Probably rightfully so, hopefully he will only be up against Hawkins ).

 

[Cleavy]

is Moran from the Crows any good, or is he a 40-50 pt back-up at best? (looking at bench options)

 

[Wood_Duck]

is Moran from the Crows any good, or is he a 40-50 pt back-up at best? (looking at bench options)

Potentially hes OK. Not sure how many games he will play though. He has to prove that a) hes good enough and b) he can avoid injury long enough to be a viable option.

 

[Bulldog Brent]

Jake Spencer anyone??? A keeper?

 

[Kopout]

Anyone else using the 4th ruck spot as a sacrificial lamb? The chances of me requiring a regular player in this position is slim and I'd prefer to use the $10k+ difference on another position.

 

[Blueboys11]

Anyone else using the 4th ruck spot as a sacrificial lamb? The chances of me requiring a regular player in this position is slim and I'd prefer to use the $10k+ difference on another position.

Im tempted to use both ruck spots as sacrificial lambs and just cop the zero's during the byes. Absolutly no playing rookies!!

 

[Demon 16]

Jake Spencer anyone??? A keeper?

If Jamar goes down he is possibly our next in line (Spencer or Martin).

But thats a pretty sad state of affairs for our ruck department - Spencer wont score highly. Stay away.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

While I don't have any bench players playing in Round 1 (at the end of the day, you'll probably only select an emergency in the rucks if one of your starters is under an injury cloud anyway), I think it is absolute madness to not at least have a quality third ruckman in your lineup. Spend a bit extra, so you're not relying on Bailey, Derrickx or Cordy to get a game. That would be my advice.

 

[TimC]

While I don't have any bench players playing in Round 1 (at the end of the day, you'll probably only select an emergency in the rucks if one of your starters is under an injury cloud anyway), I think it is absolute madness to not at least have a quality third ruckman in your lineup. Spend a bit extra, so you're not relying on Bailey, Derrickx or Cordy to get a game. That would be my advice.

I've also decided to go for this tactic. Rucks give me headaches every year and I always burn trades on them, yet somehow end of with a few 0's throughout the year, so this year I've gone the:

Sandilands,Cox (Petrie, Z. Smith) combination. My hope is that Petrie will make me a bit of money and Smith will play reguraly, that way once West Coast have their bye I can downgrade Petrie and use the cash elsewhere. When they do have the buy, I am looking at a 60-80, as opposed to a 20-30 from a rookie ruck.

Hardwick on SEN said that Derrickx will get games at some stage this year, and they have been impressed with his "clean hands", so he may be a potential downgrade target, then again there are always ruck injuries so be on the look-out for a first string ruck who gets injured. You can then sort of guess that a rookie will get games.

 

[Demon 16]

While I don't have any bench players playing in Round 1 (at the end of the day, you'll probably only select an emergency in the rucks if one of your starters is under an injury cloud anyway), I think it is absolute madness to not at least have a quality third ruckman in your lineup. Spend a bit extra, so you're not relying on Bailey, Derrickx or Cordy to get a game. That would be my advice.

Good call but this year sides arent carrying an extra (young) ruckman because of the sub rule. So finding a cheap third ruckman who will be playing is going to be difficult.

Ive gone for Sandi, Cox, Petrie and Smith.

Happy to trade Petrie out or move him to the forward line if one of the rookie ruckman start showing enough to be a decent third/fourth option.

 

[Roostasani]

A few people around me are throwing out Max Bailey's name for a 4th ruckman? Anyone have any information about him and wether or not he'll get games this year?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Bailey's too much of a worry with the knees IMO.

Petrie's a better ruck cover option so long as he stays fit, will score well.

Half of me wants to not use DPP (after Tippett burning me last year) and wants to save money on the ruck bench, but with the sub rule, I think it's going to be very hard to accurately pick which young rucks will play, and hence the extra 100k's a better option for taking the risk out of it.

 

[esorhali]

I currently have Sandi and Mumford with Z. Smith and J.Tippett (mpp) on bench with Petrie as initial target for back up MPP after round 5.
I am hoping one of my fwd bench rookies in Darling ,Tapscott can go up in value enough for straight swap for Petrie (1 trade). I can then use Petrie in fwd line or back up ruck for mpp with Tippett.

 

[shqip]

I currently have Sandi and Mumford with Z. Smith and J.Tippett (mpp) on bench with Petrie as initial target for back up MPP after round 5.
I am hoping one of my fwd bench rookies in Darling ,Tapscott can go up in value enough for straight swap for Petrie (1 trade). I can then use Petrie in fwd line or back up ruck for mpp with Tippett.

^Like that option; but when does Petrie return?

 

[Dean Andrews]

I have used different tactics to the majority with my rucks, selecting McEvoy, Petrie, Vickery and Smith at a total cost of $885,300. I think McEvoy and Petrie offer good value and I have Vickery as a backup, Smith is one of the few rookie ruckman likely to get a regular game.

Selecting these ruckman also allowed to have me more cash to spend in the other positions.

 

[kreuze_missile]

I have used different tactics to the majority with my rucks, selecting McEvoy, Petrie, Vickery and Smith at a total cost of $885,300. I think McEvoy and Petrie offer good value and I have Vickery as a backup, Smith is one of the few rookie ruckman likely to get a regular game.

Selecting these ruckman also allowed to have me more cash to spend in the other positions.

Are you new to Supercoach?

 

[The Passenger]

Ive gone for Sandi, Cox, Petrie and Smith.

exact same combination.

good start from sandi. hopefully smith plays but it's pretty likely he won't play any part in strategy as a cash cow or back up so not a big deal if he doesn't get picked.

^Like that option; but when does Petrie return?

next week. was suspended for round one. kanga's also have bye round 3.

 

[Hot Tiges]

Moronic if you don't have Sandilands

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I have used different tactics to the majority with my rucks, selecting McEvoy, Petrie, Vickery and Smith at a total cost of $885,300. I think McEvoy and Petrie offer good value and I have Vickery as a backup, Smith is one of the few rookie ruckman likely to get a regular game.

Selecting these ruckman also allowed to have me more cash to spend in the other positions.

No Sandi or Cox = massive points loss each week on everyone else.

 

[JHF1870]

Moronic if you don't have Sandilands

I know someone with Luenberger, Vickery combo. Seriously. how could you not go Sandi even to the point sandi/Cox

Could Warnock be the suprize packet.

 

[The Passenger]

No Sandi or Cox = massive points loss each week on everyone else.

pretty much yeah - sandi scores so big.

but if your of the belief that sandi will only ave 100 this year then your best spending that $550k on someone who you reckon will ave 115-120...

or if you reckon ryder and hudson will be big improvers (but not reaching sandi levels) you're better of going with those two and making up the points lost on sandi by being able to spend a bit more on your top level mids or wherever else....

in saying that it would be a brave man to tip sandi to drop down to 100 or to go against him because he's such a good player. i've gone sandi-cox. cox is back. those two will be all oz's again this year i reckon.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

pretty much yeah - sandi scores so big.

but if your of the belief that sandi will only ave 100 this year then your best spending that $550k on someone who you reckon will ave 115-120...

I disagree with this. You have to think of it in terms of positions. If you've got a ruckman who averages 110, it is far, far more valuable than a midfielder who averages 110, simply because there is no other ruckman who averages 100 and in recent times most alternatives to Sandi have been around the 85 mark. You're giving up 25-30 points each and every week you do not have him in your side. If you pick Jobe Watson instead of Dane Swan for example, it would be a moronic decision. But the difference between those two is only 20-odd points. So what is the decision to take anyone else, instead of Sandi?

It's why players like Hodge and Chapman were must haves last year: not because they were 115+ point scorers, but because they were 115+ point scorers who weren't (exclusively) midfielders.

 

[The Passenger]

maybe i'm looking at it wrong, but it doesn't matter where the points come from does it??

ultimately you're just trying to get as money points as you can out of however much money you're looking to spend on your premium players...

if you reckon sandi is going to go down to 100ppg this year* and ryder will be steady at 85ppg, then you're better of picking up ryder even though you're down 15ppg.

but you've saved about $140k, which would enable you to upgrade in the midfield from (for example) James Kelly to Dane Swan. If both Kelly and Swan stay at their averages from 2010 then Swan gets you an extra 27ppg which gives you a net profit of 12ppg for the same amount of $$$$ spent....

obviously this depends on you believing sandi would drop his average which i said i don't personally believe he will and anyone who does is being brave. if anything i think he will go up. he has started that way against a pretty decent rucking duo.

 

[Dean Andrews]

Are you new to Supercoach?

No I am not new to Supercoach, I have been playing it since it started and have been in fantasy football competitions since the Dream Team initially commenced in the Age back in the early 90s.

I considered Cox and Sandilands but didn't pick them due to concerns that I had about them and I thought that McEvoy and Petrie offered better value than similar priced players in other areas of the ground.

Sandilands was nowhere near his best at the end of last season due to injuring his planter fascia and only averaged 66 points during Fremantle's two finals. At a cost of $554,200 Sandilands would have been my third most expensive player (after Goddard and Swan). If Sandilands doesn't have any injury problems I would expect him to average around 115 points however I would like to see him achieve this for the first couple of months of the season and not have any injury concerns before picking him.

The average of Cox dropped from 111 in 2009 to 88 in 2010, will he keep on declining, stabilise or improve in 2011?

I would expect that Cox would be around the same mark as last year or maybe slightly higher in 2011 but I had more confidence in some other players at a similar price averaging 90 plus points.

Pure Ownage said, "No Sandi or Cox = massive points loss each week on everyone else."

The flip side is that by not picking Sandi or Cox I have been able to spend more cash in other areas of the ground which allowed me to pick an extra premium forward putting me in a strong position to have a good points advantage over other teams in the forward line.

In the middle of the season I plan on trading to get Sandilands or Cox into my side, but by then I will be in a better position to know if Sandilands can get through the season without injury worries and if Cox is able to average 90 plus points a game.

 

[Berserker26]

Sandilands just scored 135....