Ned Ryerson
Future Captain
A white male crime shouldn't be an opportunity to deny the prevalence of crimes by certain minorities or gangs.
You mean like bikie gangs, who aren't exactly known for their diversity for the main part.
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A white male crime shouldn't be an opportunity to deny the prevalence of crimes by certain minorities or gangs.
Did you miss my post that the current government have increased sentences and are increasing police numbers? If you venture away from the Herald Sun you might find out that while Danny ain't perfect that he's at least trying something.
Yeah - great reactive politics by him.
What's the Herald Sun got to do with anything?
They only shoot first because they are too afraid of being shot themselvesAlso Gun Killings of civilians by police in The USA account for a considerable amount every year. My dad has a few relatives in the US and they say in some states the police can fire at you without warning.....without any justification only on suspicion. They shoot first and ask questions later.
I work in town and would be lucky to see any on foot patrol throughout the working week.
Here in Australia, someone can be physically assaulting someone, and if the cops don't warn them, let them know if they don't stop they might be arrested, the perps can sue for having their "civil liberties" removed (thankfully it's slowly being eradicated, it was horrible a few years ago though)
You mean like bikie gangs, who aren't exactly known for their diversity for the main part.
I didn't really want another example of deflecting towards white males in defence of minorities. There are better and more grown-up ways of discussing the rate of violence by certain groups in Melbourne other than pointing to examples of where white people can be just as bad.
Also Gun Killings of civilians by police in The USA account for a considerable amount every year. My dad has a few relatives in the US and they say in some states the police can fire at you without warning.....without any justification only on suspicion. They shoot first and ask questions later.
I agree. And crimes committed by non-Europeans shouldn't stop me from my god-given right to suggest that all the bad whities should go home.A white male crime shouldn't be an opportunity to deny the prevalence of crimes by certain minorities or gangs.
It's hard to believe after many thought there was real hope for improved race relations with the appointment of Obama, who it should be noted also received many conservatives votes wanting to give a chance to something new, for a vision they wanted to believe in too......that things are really really crap right now between peoples of different color.
Not that there hasn't been huge upward mobility for black people, better jobs, better education, greater self belief....they've seen what is possible and many truly are striving for the American dream and succeeding big time.
But less educated white people, or very conservative white people living in very 'white' communities and states through the middle of the country, feel disenfranchised.
So they found a xenophobe to rally behind and now we see an explosion of racist graffiti, violent actions towards people of different ethnicities, and the dumbing down of what should be aspired to.
Reading between the lines of some posters, I know in Australia it's always been tempting to look at the most recent arrivals to the country as the source of our troubles......
I think it's important to make a call to Australians to pull together to solve problems, including intervention in the family homes of those who know their children are out of control, to find solutions that are meaningful.
I remember as a kid growing up in Carnegie, how painful the use of wog was to the kids of Greek and Italian immigrants. When we started celebrating their foods, their colorful cultures, it gave everyone a reason to see more in common with another than what was different.
Keep doing that, and you give new immigrant communities a way to connect and become integrated into the best of Aussie society, segregate them by neighbourhood or attitude and you foster the feelings of rejection, disenfranchisement, and ultimately acting out against the rest of us in frustration and anger and hurt.
Nobody denies thatWas in youth crime for a number of years until around 2010 and in a number of courts when doing it - there are plenty of "bad white kids" and some of them are in gangs too!
Fair enough. I'll stop. (That said my comments about Youth Crime came from experience in the field but yeah I can get too caught up in debates like this)I seem to remember a discussion recently about keeping politics off the footy boards. Perhaps I misremember.
I'm not sure whether sentencing would alter significantly based on race. But I have no stats to back it up. I cannot recall thinking any Magistrate would sentence differently based on race - other than ones who didn't like minorities but that was also rare.Nobody denies that
It seems, however, that the penalties are more lenient for "non-white."
That's from news reports, in which minorities might get 6 months probation, whilst the majority gets 6 months juvenile detention. Whether that matches up to actual statistics, I don't know
It's a bit like how aboriginal people have a higher rate of encarceration, but a lower penalty (again, news reports)
It isn't to be harder on a particular race, but to appear to be more understandingI'm not sure whether sentencing would alter significantly based on race. But I have no stats to back it up. I cannot recall thinking any Magistrate would sentence differently based on race - other than ones who didn't like minorities but that was also rare.
Nobody denies that
It seems, however, that the penalties are more lenient for "non-white."
That's from news reports, in which minorities might get 6 months probation, whilst the majority gets 6 months juvenile detention. Whether that matches up to actual statistics, I don't know
It's a bit like how aboriginal people have a higher rate of encarceration, but a lower penalty (again, news reports)
The crims have us all over a barrel.
Lawyers, parole boards and judges seem to pander to them.
It's a lot more than that, unless you get all your information from the Herald Sun!
One of the problems with the Apex gang is that they nearly all under 18, and quite a few are 14 and 15 years old. This means their cases are in the Children's' Court, where the emphasis is on rehabilitation rather than on punishment. This means that they are always given chances to better themselves, and jail is seen as a last resort.
Many have used up all there chances and are in prison right now.
But please don't read rubbish in the tabloids!
Are you serious? So should we go hiding our car keys whilst at home just in case someone decides to break in? Touch paranoid?If you can afford a hundred grand car then you surely can afford to park it in an area at home that is fully secure and pretty bloody hard to get in to.
Also not stashing your keys is a complete amateur move....you do not hang the keys somewhere in the kitchen.
Good on him for confronting them....yet they still got the car