Schammer

[GoSarge]

There's no way in the world I'd give up a first-round pick for Schammer. He's a good, solid player but that's about it. Blokes like him are a dime a dozen.

Each to their own opinion I guess. He's a good solid player with reasonable skills, is ready to go, and is young enough to give us good service over a period of time. As for a dime a dozen, I would disagree with that. Also, the AFC picked up Scott Thompson for pick 12 after he had only managed 40 odd games in 4 seasons for Melbourne and that turned out to be a good trade.

Considering our first picks shouldnt be any lower than, say, #14, I think that'd be reasonably fair. Bear in mind, that there were a number of draft picks in the last super draft around pick 14 that turned out to be no better than average - (Cole, Molan, Power, X Clarke etc).

It all depends on how deep we see the draft and whether we can still pick up some quality KPP's later in the draft (rounds 2 and 3) and how important the first round pick is to the AFC.

 

[Alex99]

Each to their own opinion I guess. He's a good solid player with reasonable skills, is ready to go, and is young enough to give us good service over a period of time. As for a dime a dozen, I would disagree with that. Also, the AFC picked up Scott Thompson for pick 12 after he had only managed 40 odd games in 4 seasons for Melbourne and that turned out to be a good trade.

Considering our first picks shouldnt be any lower than, say, #14, I think that'd be reasonably fair. Bear in mind, that there were a number of draft picks in the last super draft around pick 14 that turned out to be no better than average - (Cole, Molan, Power, X Clarke etc).

It all depends on how deep we see the draft and whether we can still pick up some quality KPP's later in the draft (rounds 2 and 3) and how important the first round pick is to the AFC.

So you would be happy to give up pick 14 for Byron Schammer?

Regardless of where he is playing with the Fremantle Dockers at the moment he would have the ability to play in the midfield for the Adelaide Crows.

Douglas, Knights, Van Berlo, Vince, Hinge, Pfeiffer, Reilly, Skipworth would all be fighting to fill that spot in the next 3 or 4 years. Why would we give up a first round draft pick in a super draft for a player who is never going to amount to anything more than a good honest player?

If he not good enough to play in the Fremantle midfield why would we give up a good draft pick and recruit him for ours? More than happy to have him on the AFC list but not at the price you’re willing to pay.

 

[Glenno23]

Sure, but he isn't the in & under type of player that Port are need of either.

As for us, I wouldn't go after Schammer unless he is going cheap. KPP's are a priority for us in the super draft.

Agree totally with this

we need more depth in that department more than small half flankers

 

[Stiffy_18]

So you would be happy to give up pick 14 for Byron Schammer?

Regardless of where he is playing with the Fremantle Dockers at the moment he would have the ability to play in the midfield for the Adelaide Crows.

Douglas, Knights, Van Berlo, Vince, Hinge, Pfeiffer, Reilly, Skipworth would all be fighting to fill that spot in the next 3 or 4 years. Why would we give up a first round draft pick in a super draft for a player who is never going to amount to anything more than a good honest player?

If he not good enough to play in the Fremantle midfield why would we give up a good draft pick and recruit him for ours? More than happy to have him on the AFC list but not at the price you’re willing to pay.

What makes you think that he is not good enough to play in Freo's midfield?

Is it because he hasn't played there this year?

Is Andrew McLeod good enough to play in our midfield?

Don't confuse, not playing there as not good enough to play there. The reason CC plays Schammer across HBF is because he is one of their best at setting up play and using his disposals in the right manner. He creates a hell of a lot from back there for them.

A lot of teams now days rely on players creating from HB and often play their best creators in those roles. Freo is no different.

Schammer is good enough to play in the midfield but in CC's opinion, he needs someone that can create a lot of opportunities from HB and Schammer is just about the best player at Freo for doing that.

Going by his junior career and some of the games I have seen at AFL level, he most certainly is capable of playing in the midfield. Here is a dude that tore up Brisbane Lions' midfield in his first or second year in one of the games where he got 30 odd possesions.

 

[tribey]

Schammer is only 21 in June - terrific player, ball magnet with plenty of upside, runs all day.

Would happily part with a first rounder to land him as we continue to look towards the inevitable changing of the guard over the next few years.

 

[pinkus maximus]

Connolly doesnt like "exposing" younger players in certain positions. If you remember back a couple of years Schammer was poleaxed weekly by bigger bodied midfielders and thats why he is where he is. He got 13 brownlow votes in his second season as rover and that is hopefully where he will be playing sooner rather than later

 

[RogerRabbit69]

Each to their own opinion I guess. He's a good solid player with reasonable skills, is ready to go, and is young enough to give us good service over a period of time.

Yep, each to their own .....
Personally, I don't think Schammer would add a huge amount to the squad other than a touch more depth. Very solid, very serviceable, very likely to get a game most weeks. But we've got a fair few of those already.

I'd rather roll the dice on draft day and hope to snare a top-line player, not a middle-of-the-road one.

 

[Alex99]

What makes you think that he is not good enough to play in Freo's midfield?

Is it because he hasn't played there this year?

Is Andrew McLeod good enough to play in our midfield?

Don't confuse, not playing there as not good enough to play there. The reason CC plays Schammer across HBF is because he is one of their best at setting up play and using his disposals in the right manner. He creates a hell of a lot from back there for them.

A lot of teams now days rely on players creating from HB and often play their best creators in those roles. Freo is no different.

Schammer is good enough to play in the midfield but in CC's opinion, he needs someone that can create a lot of opportunities from HB and Schammer is just about the best player at Freo for doing that.

Going by his junior career and some of the games I have seen at AFL level, he most certainly is capable of playing in the midfield. Here is a dude that tore up Brisbane Lions' midfield in his first or second year in one of the games where he got 30 odd possesions.

I rate Schammer as a player that would be good for our football club and any other he play for; I just don’t rate him high enough to give up a first round draft pick when we are in desperate need of key position players.

If the Adelaide Football Club can some how convince Fremantle football club to trade him for Luke Jericho and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick I would be happy. I would be disappointed if we had to give up a first round pick for him.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Yep, each to their own .....
Personally, I don't think Schammer would add a huge amount to the squad other than a touch more depth. Very solid, very serviceable, very likely to get a game most weeks. But we've got a fair few of those already.

I'd rather roll the dice on draft day and hope to snare a top-line player, not a middle-of-the-road one.

I pretty much agree with this. If we can get him relatively cheap (which I doubt) its all good however, if he is going to cost us a first round pick which I believe he would then I wouldnt bother, not for this draft anyway.

 

[GoSarge]

So you would be happy to give up pick 14 for Byron Schammer?

Yes.

Regardless of where he is playing with the Fremantle Dockers at the moment he would have the ability to play in the midfield for the Adelaide Crows.

Without much doubt.

Douglas, Knights, Van Berlo, Vince, Hinge, Pfeiffer, Reilly, Skipworth would all be fighting to fill that spot in the next 3 or 4 years.

Hinge and Skipworth are probably looking at being delisted at the end of the year. Pfeiffer, Vince and Douglas are a fair way off being regular contributors for the Crows in the midfield. Roo, Goodwin, Hart and others may not be around for another 3 or 4 years.

Why would we give up a first round draft pick in a super draft for a player who is never going to amount to anything more than a good honest player?

1- If it is a super draft we should be able to pick up good players for our 2nd and 3rd picks. Our first round pick could be used on a 'safer' investment in Schammer who we will more than likely get 10 years of service from.

2 - In the superdraft of 2001, I would say that 10 of the top 20 draftees are no better than 'good average' AFL players (X.Clarke,Sampi,Molan,Power,Cole,Watson,Brooks,Ladson,Harvey,Elstone). Personally I dont think that is a good strike rate in a strong draft do you ?

3 - I think you underestimate Schammer's ability. The guy will be more than a 'good honest player'.

If he not good enough to play in the Fremantle midfield why would we give up a good draft pick and recruit him for ours?

As mentioned, he can play in the midfield or across half back. CC prefers to use him across half back. I don't think that is any indication of his ability.

More than happy to have him on the AFC list but not at the price you’re willing to pay.

Thats cool, we'll agree to have different opinions.

 

[macca23]

I rate Schammer as well. He'd be a good player for us with his pace and disposal.

I'd try and do it this way.

Our first round pick and 4th round pick for Schammer and Freo's 3rd round pick.

 

[Crow-mo]

I rate Schammer as well. He'd be a good player for us with his pace and disposal.

I'd try and do it this way.

Our first round pick and 4th round pick for Schammer and Freo's 3rd round pick.

interesting. I'd do that deal, and maybe so would freo.

 

[*PAF]

I rate Schammer as well. He'd be a good player for us with his pace and disposal.

I'd try and do it this way.

Our first round pick and 4th round pick for Schammer and Freo's 3rd round pick.

I wish we had Schammer just so we could trade him to you for that.

 

[The Crows Truth]

I rate Schammer as well. He'd be a good player for us with his pace and disposal.

I'd try and do it this way.

Our first round pick and 4th round pick for Schammer and Freo's 3rd round pick.

but we need KPP's a helluva lot more. we will go kpp with 2 of first 3 picks this yuear imh opinion

 

[Stiffy_18]

but we need KPP's a helluva lot more. we will go kpp with 2 of first 3 picks this yuear imh opinion

Not if the good ones are not there. We will pick the best available.

Last year a lot of people thought we would pick a midfielder and a KPP with our first 2 picks but we didn't.

 

[The Crows Truth]

Not if the good ones are not there. We will pick the best available.

Last year a lot of people thought we would pick a midfielder and a KPP with our first 2 picks but we didn't.

true mate but id be very surprised if we didnt pick up at least 2kpp's players in ths yrs draft. imagine if each of our picks the best player available was a midfielder every time - do you think we would go for a midfielder on each occasion? i personally dont (but i have been wrong once before )

 

[The Crows Truth]

Not if the good ones are not there. We will pick the best available.

Last year a lot of people thought we would pick a midfielder and a KPP with our first 2 picks but we didn't.

also by trading away our first pick (for a midfielder like Shammer) it takes away our option of drafting a talented best available kpp player in 1st round.