Schapelle Corby

[Southerntakeover]

Did the union guy perjure himself? Or were his responses accurate? Whether or not Corby's defence team made up the whole concept of baggage handlers being involved or not is irrelevant. Would the Transport union bloke make up what he said?? He specifically said a boogie board weighing 4 kilos more than normal would be picked up.

I guess THIS was all crap then?

He didnt say anything substancial enough to perjure. You're far to willing to be fobbed off.

What did he say? That a bag which weighed more than most bags of its type should be picked up?

Whoopie.

Did he actually allege that baggage handlers had planted drugs in her bag? That id love to see.

Baggage handlers probed over drugs

May 11, 2005


Sydney airport baggage handlers were key players in a big drug smuggling syndicate, helping to bring millions of dollars worth of cocaine into Australia, police believe.
Police yesterday continued to round up suspects in an alleged conspiracy to smuggle up to $15 million of cocaine in suitcases from South America, and issued a warrant for the arrest of two more men, including a former Balmain rugby league player.
Five of the 11 men arrested on Monday over the alleged drug racket also faced court yesterday and all were refused bail.
Mike Phelan, the Australian Federal Police's national manager of Border and International Operations, yesterday identified baggage handlers at Sydney airport as key players in the racket.
"We believe that the importations themselves were to be facilitated through the use of suitcases that would then be picked up by baggage handlers," Mr Phelan said.
Baggage is transported between Sydney's domestic and international terminals by baggage handlers, Sydney Airport Corporations Limited spokesman Rod Gilmour said.

Nice red herring.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

I think she was used by her 'family' and she didnt know it

As for using the 'they faked the story so she must be guilty logic' if you were in her shoes you would do whatever the defence told you regardless of what others may think.

I also take the line for the first post - why would you take ownership straight away of the luggage if you knew there was drugs in there?

 

[maccas_no1]

Did the union guy perjure himself? Or were his responses accurate? Whether or not Corby's defence team made up the whole concept of baggage handlers being involved or not is irrelevant. Would the Transport union bloke make up what he said?? He specifically said a boogie board weighing 4 kilos more than normal would be picked up.

I guess THIS was all crap then?

Baggage handlers probed over drugs

May 11, 2005


Sydney airport baggage handlers were key players in a big drug smuggling syndicate, helping to bring millions of dollars worth of cocaine into Australia, police believe.
Police yesterday continued to round up suspects in an alleged conspiracy to smuggle up to $15 million of cocaine in suitcases from South America, and issued a warrant for the arrest of two more men, including a former Balmain rugby league player.
Five of the 11 men arrested on Monday over the alleged drug racket also faced court yesterday and all were refused bail.
Mike Phelan, the Australian Federal Police's national manager of Border and International Operations, yesterday identified baggage handlers at Sydney airport as key players in the racket.
"We believe that the importations themselves were to be facilitated through the use of suitcases that would then be picked up by baggage handlers," Mr Phelan said.
Baggage is transported between Sydney's domestic and international terminals by baggage handlers, Sydney Airport Corporations Limited spokesman Rod Gilmour said.

Yeah it is in sealed baggage containers, that would have had Denpasar connecting bags from the Brisbane flight in it, would have been transfered from one plane to another.

 

[underbelly]

One thing sits comfortably in my mind.

Having been to Denpasar Airport many times and knowing how lax
the customs clearance is, I've often though how easy it is take
contraband through immigration. In 12 or so visits, I've never been
asked for luggage to be inspected, so I'm of the opinion that
the customs officers were aware of the fact prior to clearance.

Why did they pull this particular group up at customs ? They looked
like any tourist going to Bali ?

One things for sure, if Corby is innocent, then the step brother is guilty.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Would he perjure himself in an effort to do so, or was he telling the truth. Looking at that other story of 2005 indicates that the "possibility" that baggage handlers could have been involved was real. Thereby creating "reasonable doubt".

Hed need to actually say something to perjure.

Can't refute actual evidence. Much harder to detect something is not right if cameras aren't working. A co-incidence - perhaps... but it is something else to add fuel to the fire. It's called reasonable doubt.

No reasonable person would accept that as evidence. Seriously. Leave conspiracy theories for those who wear alfoil on their heads.

Man does not have 4.2 kilos of gunja in his pocket. Much harder to deny the gunja is his as it was found IN HIS pocket. Much easier to deny 4 kilo bag of gunja in boogie board that has been handled by many more people than just yourself. Standard forensic procedure is to prove the evidence belongs to the suspect. Very hard to prove if every man and his dog touches the bag. That is why you see forensic people wear gloves so they don't tamper with or effect the forensic evidence.

What do you actually think she was charged with?

Money is ALWAYS a motive.
So what if she was planning to stay? Means nothing... [ /quote]

Typical drug mules fly in, deliver the goods and fly straight back out. They are only interested in the cash - not a two week holiday in Bali! Her profile did not match that of a drug mule. Again creates a reasonable doubt.

No, again, its meaningless.

So she wanted a holliday at the same time? Do you really think that precludes her from guilt?

Judging by the story previously pointed out to you.. the baggage handler story was NOT ridiculous at all. Her defence team obviously knew about this case and tried to use it as her defence - as you would expect. That doesn't make her guilty, it makes them clever for trying to come up with a plausible explanation for how the gunja got in her bag in the first place. That's what they are paid to do. I didn't say I believed that this is what happened to her, however I felt it was a very plausible possible explanation.

Yes, it was, and still is ridiculous.

Where in your red herring story does it suggest that international drug rings operate by randomly putting drugs into peoples bags? The thought is hillariously stupid. Seriously.

Lindy Chamberlain was mostly vilified. Because she didn't cry. Because she was a 7th day Adventist. Because of silly rumours that were made up. Because of very bad forensic evidence.

I am not saying Schapelle didn't do it. I am saying, however, that there is enough reasonable doubt in my mind to say that she may not.

Lol, Chamberlain is another distraction, not at all relevant. Her innocence does not mean corby is.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I think she was used by her 'family' and she didnt know it

As for using the 'they faked the story so she must be guilty logic' if you were in her shoes you would do whatever the defence told you regardless of what others may think.

Of course you would, thats not being questioned.

Whats being questioned is whether or not any intelligent person would continue to believe said story, after its been exposed as a fabrication by the person who started it.

I also take the line for the first post - why would you take ownership straight away of the luggage if you knew there was drugs in there?

Because they thought she could use the 'im pretty and i cry' defense more effectively than her brother?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Well that could be true, I am only going by what I heard which would most probably be total hearsay.

Doesnt make much sense to me...

If you were selling domestically, you wouldnt use the airport.

Its so easy to drive between states, with no security to check anything.

 

[Malibu#27]

One things for sure, if Corby is innocent, then the step brother is guilty.

Snap.


Too much shadiness about that whole family. The step brother ... well for months leading up to the case the family was painting themselves as all squeeky clean, then soon after the trial he gets done on drug charges. <snip>.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

How come the baggage handler that was brought in to testify said that a boogie board weighing that much (4 kilos more than normal) would have been picked up by the handlers and supervisors made to know that something was not right? It was also mentioned that the closed circuit tvs were not working in Brissie that day. As for there being enough evidence to convict her in an Australian court... I disagree. There was poor handling of the "evidence" - no fingerprinting of either external or internal bag to find evidence of her fingerprints. Add to that that every man and his dog handled the bag AND the gunja. No tests were done on the gunja to see where it was grown. There was no motive (ie. not a drug user (urine test was clear), no urgent need of cash, was planning to stay 2 weeks rather than the quick turn around trip of a usual drug mule - as the criminal expert pointed out). Combine that with the baggage handlers comments and there was enough "reasonable doubt" to see the prosecution lose in our law courts. As with Lindy Chamberlain 20 years before her, Schapelle is being hung drawn and quartered by every man and their dog without knowing the full story. She's being judged on her looks, the families looks, the bloke who stepped in to help her... etc.etc.etc. My immediate reaction on hearing the story was that she was guilty. On hearing the evidence, I was not so convinced. Either way, by the time she gets out of jail she will have served (well and truly) the sentence required in an Australian prison if she were guilty but in much more atrocious conditions. She will receive a truck load of "exclusive story" offers which will recompense her to some degree (although she'll never gain the time lost back).

Being a convicted felon, you cannot profit from the proceeds of a crime, irrespective of whether she did it or not and I'm sure some good pollie will bring in some law to stop her from doing so. And if she does the hard yards, the story will probably not have an impact after 20 or so years.

With that much weed, surely a sniffer dog would have picked it up or were they on strike as well.

If it was the brothers board, why did she accept it was hers. I don't take this theory that she thought she would have got off if caught. Thinking like that in an instant (unless it was conceived earlier) just doesn't hold water.


Didn't see the program but my first impressions was not guilty, but now I'm unsure. Just too many skeletons in the family.

 

[Southerntakeover]

If it was the brothers board, why did she accept it was hers. I don't take this theory that she thought she would have got off if caught. Thinking like that in an instant (unless it was conceived earlier) just doesn't hold water.

Obviously it would not be a spur of the moment thing.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Doesnt make much sense to me...

If you were selling domestically, you wouldnt use the airport.

Its so easy to drive between states, with no security to check anything.

That part is no longer the case. The law can now pull you over with just a suspicion of illegal contraband.

 

[Southerntakeover]

That part is no longer the case. The law can now pull you over with just a suspicion of illegal contraband.

Sure they CAN.

How often does it happen?

 

[FIGJAM]

Whether or not Corby's defence team made up the whole concept of baggage handlers being involved or not is irrelevant.

What's "made up" anyway?

It was a lead when they were looking for reasonable avenues of explanation. In the event that she didn't do it, I agree with the defense that 4kgs of hydro to plant on a random Aussie chick to score a bust would be idiotic.

It's clear it was put in on Aussie shores. It was either her (or family) or she was just friggen unlucky.

 

[haywood jablome]

She is guilty. Things don't stack up, her family just enforces this. I thought she was innocent at the start, however now that I have had a think and seen that show last night I'm pretty damn sure she or someone she knew did it.

 

[jenny61_99]

Being a convicted felon, you cannot profit from the proceeds of a crime, irrespective of whether she did it or not and I'm sure some good pollie will bring in some law to stop her from doing so. And if she does the hard yards, the story will probably not have an impact after 20 or so years.

With that much weed, surely a sniffer dog would have picked it up or were they on strike as well.

If it was the brothers board, why did she accept it was hers. I don't take this theory that she thought she would have got off if caught. Thinking like that in an instant (unless it was conceived earlier) just doesn't hold water.


Didn't see the program but my first impressions was not guilty, but now I'm unsure. Just too many skeletons in the family.

There is much to question and why I maintain reasonable doubt. I don't care if it was her brother, father or jack-the-baggage-handler-ripper, I think there is reasonable doubt that she had anything to do with it. I don't believe for one minute someone would think "hey she's pretty and can cry, that will get her off". This is Bali we are talking about. And surely once reality set in that the good looks and tears were not working, she would have dobbed her brother/half brother in IF she knew the truth?

I have never said she's innocent, but I still believe there is reasonable doubt.

Mark... do you convict someone based on the skeletons in their family? How many families do you know who are squeaky clean? Also someone made the comment about her working overseas... therefore that makes her suspicious? Ive lived and worked overseas too, does that make me suspicious? Some people seem to WANT her to be guilty and therefore look for anything that might confirm their suspicions.

The sniffer dog scenario is an interesting one. You would think they would have picked it up IF it was in her bags in Australia. I mean they are so damned good they can pick up traces of apples in a pocket. So does that mean it wasn't in her bags in Australia? Or were the dogs not used over outbound luggage that day? Or was it planted once it had passed the point where the dogs are used? Or was it planted once it arrived in Bali?

 

[Malibu#27]

Also someone made the comment about her working overseas... therefore that makes her suspicious? Ive lived and worked overseas too, does that make me suspicious?

That was me, and it wasn't about the fact she was working overseas (I have many friends working overseas), but what she was alleged to be doing - it just breaks down her 'good girl' front.

 

[underbelly]

George Costanza: "Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it"

 

[jenny61_99]

That was me, and it wasn't about the fact she was working overseas (I have many friends working overseas), but what she was alleged to be doing - it just breaks down her 'good girl' front.

Geez I've done some things I'm not proud of in my life too... doesn't make me a drug dealer though.

Unless her "past" history included known drug dealer, I wouldn't read too much into it.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Mark... do you convict someone based on the skeletons in their family? How many families do you know who are squeaky clean? Also someone made the comment about her working overseas... therefore that makes her suspicious? Ive lived and worked overseas too, does that make me suspicious? Some people seem to WANT her to be guilty and therefore look for anything that might confirm their suspicions.

Strange then that you're willing to condemn all baggage handlers as Drug Planters, because some were investigated.

 

[Macca19]

There was no motive (ie. not a drug user (urine test was clear),

Ill see if I can find the pic going around at the time of her with some friends with a coffee table full of weed and them all looking like they are gurning pretty hard.

 

[acker]

Your thoughts?

I reckon she is innocent. Poor girl.

Just watched that doco as well. SO many things dont make sense for her wanting to do this.

1. Who in their right minds would carry a massive 4kg bag of weed, through not one, but TWO, airports if they were trafficking it intentionally. There are direct flights from Brisbane to Bali.

2. The Cannabis was never tested, there is no security footage of the bag being handled or anything.

3. They tried to make her sign a form at the airport saying she confessed.

4. When asked whose bag it was by Indonesian customs, she said 'Mine'. Without a second thought and took ownership of the bag.

5. The rumours of Mercedes and her husband's alleged surf shop, which has not been found or proven to exist. Mercedes made a good simplt point in the doco, "If we owned a surf shop why would Schapelle bring her boogieboard, she could just borrow one".

6. The testimony of a fellow inmate who over heard other prisoners talking about how the drugs fell into the wrong hands. The bloke risked his own personal safety in order to this.

It just doesn't sit well with me. Since she has been in that hellhole, her Grandmother and her father have both passed away as well, and I was basically imagining my sister or whatever in the same situation. I would be devestated.

My dad reckons she is guilty, yet can't provide me with a reason for this. So frustrating arghh!

Most one sided excuse for journalism I have ever seen. Where the hell was the balancing other side to the story.
Just because a heap of Corby's and freinds put there face on a camera and say she is innocent, doesn't mean she actualy is.
And why the frig would you cart a boogie board to Bali anyway ???
You could probably buy one over there for $2..

 

[QL 21]

The whole scenario just seems a little too suss for me. If Schapelle didn't know about it, you get the feeling one of her family members did. Her brother and half brother seem like the slimy type of person who would do such a thing.

The comments her dad made didn't sit right with me either, a very shady character that one.

 

[Malibu#27]

Ill see if I can find the pic going around at the time of her with some friends with a coffee table full of weed and them all looking like they are gurning pretty hard.

Yep - saw that years ago, but havent seen it for ages, send me a link if you find it.

 

[Macca19]

Would he perjure himself in an effort to do so, or was he telling the truth. Looking at that other story of 2005 indicates that the "possibility" that baggage handlers could have been involved was real. Thereby creating "reasonable doubt".

Taken from the Sunday Mail:

'He is no longer practising law and will next month face a misconduct hearing before the Queensland Law Society, following a complaint by Mercedes Corby.'

Mr Tampoe also admits fabricating the defence theory that Australian baggage handlers could have planted the drugs in Corby's
luggage.
``Baggage handlers didn't put drugs in the bag, nothing to do with it,'' says Mr Tampoe, whom Schapelle Corby sacked in May 2005 immediately after she was sentenced to 20 years' jail.
``Now she (Schapelle Corby) believes it. They all (expletive) believe it. It's not true.
``That's why you can't put direct evidence relating to baggage handlers, 'cause they didn't do it.

Sounds pretty cut and dry that it was all fabricated to me.

Typical drug mules fly in, deliver the goods and fly straight back out. They are only interested in the cash - not a two week holiday in Bali! Her profile did not match that of a drug mule. Again creates a reasonable doubt.

From memory, didnt Mercedes live in Bali? Makes perfect sense to stay there if her sister is there.

Judging by the story previously pointed out to you.. the baggage handler story was NOT ridiculous at all.

Going by the fact her lawyer has admitted that he completely made it up and is now facing a misconduct hearing, Id say it is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by roostersgal4eva
As for using the 'they faked the story so she must be guilty logic' if you were in her shoes you would do whatever the defence told you regardless of what others may think.

Sure, If I was in that situation, I probably would make things up to try and get off...but then I also wouldnt be shocked and stunned when the judges dont believe it either....because its not even true to begin with.

 

[Ferris_rules]

I dont condone murder, rape or drugs.

However, the crime needs to match the punishment.

She should not go to jail for twenty years for that crime.

Yes I know they are the rules and laws of that country, but there are far worse crimes that are given less time in jail.

If murder and rape are given life ie never to be released than I would accept her jail sentence.

However, it implies in that country they have a value system, that murder and rape are not as serious as drugs.

That is the real crime.