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Ferris_rules said:
I dont condone murder, rape or drugs.

However, the crime needs to match the punishment.

She should not go to jail for twenty years for that crime.

Yes I know they are the rules and laws of that country, but there are far worse crimes that are given less time in jail.

If murder and rape are given life ie never to be released than I would accept her jail sentence.

However, it implies in that country they have a value system, that murder and rape are not as serious as drugs.

That is the real crime.
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Wrong drug dealers should goto jail for that time, just Australian law is as soft as butter, hence why this country has huge drug issues, luckiy for her is wasnt Singapore, Malaysia or Thailand as it would have been the death penelty.
 
QL 21 said:
The whole scenario just seems a little too suss for me. If Schapelle didn't know about it, you get the feeling one of her family members did. Her brother and half brother seem like the slimy type of person who would do such a thing.

The comments her dad made didn't sit right with me either, a very shady character that one.
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I agree.

Its interesting that she appears to be the most civilized in her family.

Hmmm no wonder people stereotype looks !
 

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Ferris_rules said:
I dont condone murder, rape or drugs.

However, the crime needs to match the punishment.

She should not go to jail for twenty years for that crime.

Yes I know they are the rules and laws of that country, but there are far worse crimes that are given less time in jail.

If murder and rape are given life ie never to be released than I would accept her jail sentence.

However, it implies in that country they have a value system, that murder and rape are not as serious as drugs.

That is the real crime.
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Many Asian country's view drug smuggling as top of the class & have harsh penalties to back their very strict laws up with & if we don't know the consequences here in Aus now then those that get caught trying to make a fast & easy buck get no sympathy from me, do not forget the outcome of drug smuggling into our country if these low life scum get the stuff through to the streets.


On Schapelle Corby well if she wasn't involved then who does the finger then point to ?

One way or another the Corby family must have their poky little fingers somewhere buried in the pie & what is bloody worse the useless media of this country is now turning them all into front page TV personalities while their sister & daughter lies rotting in an Indonesia jail.
 
I have always thought she was guilty and the crocodile tears we saw last night has not changed my point of view in the slightest.

I do however find the timing of her 'hospitalisation' for depression etc very well timed. Almost as if now she is aware of what part 2 may show she is going all out once again for the pretty Caucasian helpless female role and her need for the Australian publics sympathy, her coaching was shown last night and she has acted well.

You travel in Asia you are made continually aware of just what the punishment for drug trafficking/dealing is. None of this it was planted on me story makes sense at all. And the photo macca19 was referring to was pretty compelling as to the circle she was a part of.

I know if it was a not so young, not so pretty and not so female few if anyone would care. I doubt the step brother if it was him caught would have quite the public sympathy.

Where there is smoke there is fire and to me its an inferno.
 
Ferris_rules said:
Well let me say this, i wonder if someone had a sibling that had kids and a family and they didnt, would they take the rap for a crime if they could ??!!!!

Hmmmm


Put two and two together, thats what I think happened.
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I think your thinking could be very close to the mark. Didn't Mercedes and her hubby own a surf board place at the time, cause i remember that being something that made me go hmmmmmm
 
When I was in Bali I hired a board for $1.50 for 8 hours.(Heck, if your sister lived over there you'd prob borrow hers or buy one for $30.) As someone pointed out, if she's innocent, her step bro is guilty!
 
I think its pretty funny, a couple of people in here and a number elsewhere claiming they have reasonable doubt blah blah blah, when its irrelevant, she was convicted and she is deservedly serving 20 years in prison.

hahahahaha Suffer in your jocks. All the biased documentaries and crocodile tears aren't going to change that, sucked in hard.
 

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jenny61_99 said:
How come the baggage handler that was brought in to testify said that a boogie board weighing that much (4 kilos more than normal) would have been picked up by the handlers and supervisors made to know that something was not right? It was also mentioned that the closed circuit tvs were not working in Brissie that day. As for there being enough evidence to convict her in an Australian court... I disagree. There was poor handling of the "evidence" - no fingerprinting of either external or internal bag to find evidence of her fingerprints. Add to that that every man and his dog handled the bag AND the gunja. No tests were done on the gunja to see where it was grown. There was no motive (ie. not a drug user (urine test was clear), no urgent need of cash, was planning to stay 2 weeks rather than the quick turn around trip of a usual drug mule - as the criminal expert pointed out). Combine that with the baggage handlers comments and there was enough "reasonable doubt" to see the prosecution lose in our law courts. As with Lindy Chamberlain 20 years before her, Schapelle is being hung drawn and quartered by every man and their dog without knowing the full story. She's being judged on her looks, the families looks, the bloke who stepped in to help her... etc.etc.etc. My immediate reaction on hearing the story was that she was guilty. On hearing the evidence, I was not so convinced. Either way, by the time she gets out of jail she will have served (well and truly) the sentence required in an Australian prison if she were guilty but in much more atrocious conditions. She will receive a truck load of "exclusive story" offers which will recompense her to some degree (although she'll never gain the time lost back).
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We're talking about Schapelle Corby, jenny - not Schapelle Jericho. ;)
 
jenny61_99 said:
.............................................................. and there was enough "reasonable doubt" to see the prosecution lose in our law courts.........
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I think there is a tendency for some to equate "reasonable doubt" with "no doubt".

Perhaps thats one small reason why people should be tried by a panel of judges rather than "laypeople".
 
Can posters on this thread please be VERY careful regarding the legal implications of their threads.

Yes, Corby and her brother have both been convicted on drug related charges. However, Mercedes Corby has recently won a defamation case against Ch7 over allegations not dissimilar to those being made by several posters on this thread.

I will be going through and deleting those which I consider to be potentially defamatory. Any posts which cross the line from this point will attract infractions.
 
One thing is interesting is that the media lapped this up.

I cannot name one member of the Bali 9, yet people can name the sister of Schappelle Corby.

It was mentioned in here why she would take her own board to Bali, hmmmm something does smell !

Another thing why would you use see through bags, hmmmmm .

I like the argument in here that something was meant to stay in Sydney but ended up in Bali.

deep down i think she is innocent but the drugs do belong to "$*&$".

It may explain why that person is hurting so much as portrayed in the media.
 
Macca19 said:
Taken from the Sunday Mail:

'He is no longer practising law and will next month face a misconduct hearing before the Queensland Law Society, following a complaint by Mercedes Corby.'

Mr Tampoe also admits fabricating the defence theory that Australian baggage handlers could have planted the drugs in Corby's
luggage.
``Baggage handlers didn't put drugs in the bag, nothing to do with it,'' says Mr Tampoe, whom Schapelle Corby sacked in May 2005 immediately after she was sentenced to 20 years' jail.
``Now she (Schapelle Corby) believes it. They all (expletive) believe it. It's not true.
``That's why you can't put direct evidence relating to baggage handlers, 'cause they didn't do it.

Sounds pretty cut and dry that it was all fabricated to me.



From memory, didnt Mercedes live in Bali? Makes perfect sense to stay there if her sister is there.



Going by the fact her lawyer has admitted that he completely made it up and is now facing a misconduct hearing, Id say it is ridiculous.



Sure, If I was in that situation, I probably would make things up to try and get off...but then I also wouldnt be shocked and stunned when the judges dont believe it either....because its not even true to begin with.
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I was actually talking about the transport union dude that gave evidence. Would HE have perjured himself just to get Corby off? I would hope not. The fact that the lawyer fabricated the story also means very little. Defence lawyers are paid to come up with a plausible explanation when there is no other avenue of defence. He did so - and it was made believable because of the known case of baggage handlers being used for trafficking. I would think if Corby were innocent she WOULD believe the story... what else has she to go on?

Even though the transport union official now retracts his statements because he has been told the story was fabricated, I can't help feeling there had to be something in his comments that a boogie bag that weighed that much more than normal would have been picked up 98% of the time. Was she that unlucky (lucky?) that it wasn't?

I also think that the lawyer speaking out now may more be a case of sour grapes because he is no longer practising law and facing complaint charges by Mercedes Corby. Nobody seems to be looking at it from that angle. Could it be that he is lying now?
 

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johnnypanther said:
I think there is a tendency for some to equate "reasonable doubt" with "no doubt".

Perhaps thats one small reason why people should be tried by a panel of judges rather than "laypeople".
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I think "reasonable doubt" is fairly self-explanatory. If the person is caught stuffing the bag of drugs into the boogie bag, then there is no doubt. If the person says they have no knowledge of it, then you have to look at all the evidence and the burden of proof is on the prosecution. This definition might help:

REASONABLE DOUBT - The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

or this:

Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard required by the prosecution in most criminal cases within an adversarial system, also called the "Burden of Proof". This means that the proposition being presented by the prosecution must be proven to the extent that there is no "reasonable doubt" in the mind of a reasonable person that the defendant is guilty. There can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a "reasonable person's" belief that the defendant is guilty. If the doubt that is raised does affect a "reasonable person's" belief that the defendant is guilty, the jury is not satisfied beyond a "reasonable doubt".


The reason juries came about was to eliminate the possibility of bias or corruption within a 3 judge panel system. Of course we all know that juries can be tampered with and aren't as fallible as one would hope, but on the main part, juries are successful.

I think there are so many questions with this case that it is very hard to determine beyond reasonable doubt that Shapelle Corby was a knowing participant. We are not talking about her brothers/sister or anyone else because they are not the ones serving the prison sentence.
 
Vader said:
Can posters on this thread please be VERY careful regarding the legal implications of their threads.

Yes, Corby and her brother have both been convicted on drug related charges. However, Mercedes Corby has recently won a defamation case against Ch7 over allegations not dissimilar to those being made by several posters on this thread.

I will be going through and deleting those which I consider to be potentially defamatory. Any posts which cross the line from this point will attract infractions.
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this may be a stupid or obvious question.

Do you get paid to be a Mod ?

I ask this because you do undertake an important job in terms of ensuring that no one here crosses the legal line.
 
jenny61_99 said:
I think "reasonable doubt" is fairly self-explanatory. If the person is caught stuffing the bag of drugs into the boogie bag, then there is no doubt. If the person says they have no knowledge of it, then you have to look at all the evidence and the burden of proof is on the prosecution. This definition might help:

REASONABLE DOUBT - The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

or this:

Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard required by the prosecution in most criminal cases within an adversarial system, also called the "Burden of Proof". This means that the proposition being presented by the prosecution must be proven to the extent that there is no "reasonable doubt" in the mind of a reasonable person that the defendant is guilty. There can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a "reasonable person's" belief that the defendant is guilty. If the doubt that is raised does affect a "reasonable person's" belief that the defendant is guilty, the jury is not satisfied beyond a "reasonable doubt".


The reason juries came about was to eliminate the possibility of bias or corruption within a 3 judge panel system. Of course we all know that juries can be tampered with and aren't as fallible as one would hope, but on the main part, juries are successful.

I think there are so many questions with this case that it is very hard to determine beyond reasonable doubt that Shapelle Corby was a knowing participant. We are not talking about her brothers/sister or anyone else because they are not the ones serving the prison sentence.
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I just find it hard to believe that there is no video evidence of her in the Airports.

I think that aspect of security needs to be fixed. If anything its a major security flaw.

I would have thought footage should be kept for up to a week at least. If anything for the safety and security of our nation !

We are after all only talking about storing these security files on a hard disc drive.
 

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