schulz trade

[gold man]

I didnt say all injured. Brown and Cogs are the 2 i have doubts on playing much footy for us.

And if we are to be a power then the other players mentioned "shouldnt" be there as they arnt up to the level needed to be a force in the copetition and yes that includes JON

thats very negative Bazzar Jon is only a few senior games into his 2nd season, and his first was spent being injured - i think he will be a great player once he continues to develop - a great size for a running HBF or HFF!

i think that "projected" lineup will fairly close to our team in 3 years, as it is made of players which are currently on our list now - if you like it or not - thats a fact

 

[Heisenberg_]

If we traded him for any of those players, the people responsible would have to get shot, seriously, he has shown a lot more then any of them, we would be getting robbed, I would expect picks as well.
But he isn't going anywhere

 

[lids2004roar]

who of jack, cleve and jay should be traded then - surely we won't need three players who are only capable playing as marking forwards?

I'll answer this one.

Riewoldt - HFF, runs up the wings and is a taller James Hird type of player. Can take an excellent grab but is not 1-dimensional, he tackles and is good on ground level.

Hughes - CHF and leading long and taking only occassional pack marks. Can play the Nick Riewoldt role. Brilliant kick.

Schulz - Genuine FF. Strong marking, pack marking, reads the play well and leads to excellent spots. Brilliant kick.


All 3 have a different role and can play up the ground. All 3 have experience in the backline and can be swapped with Polak or McGuane at any stage, but Schulz is least likely to switch to defence, Jack most likely at times. They have different roles and would be an excellent combination over the next decade.

If you don't think teams can live with more than 1-2 tall forwards then look at this:
N. Ablett, Hawkins, Mooney, Ottens.

They went alright last weekend.

they arnt up to the level needed to be a force in the copetition and yes that includes JON

...and how much of JON have you seen? I hope you haven't just based your opinion on 3-4 half games in the AFL!

Buddy Franklin was in the VFL this time last year playing pathetic football.

Don't jump the guns!

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Gotta play it right if we're gonna trade him. Wait until he bags a couple of 5s and 6s and then trade him at his peak before he gets injured again. Lets be honest, out of hughes, riewoldt and schulz, it looks like schulz is gonna be 3rd in line. The only reason you'd need that many good tall players up forward was if you had a gun midfield and planned to outscore your opponents to make up for a weak defence.

 

[sante]

No chance of trading him, if we were ever going to it would have been when Terry first started.

Why do people continue to say our Defence and Forward line need the most work? Clearly, our midfield is shit and thats where we need to recruit.

 

[astro_toby]

No chance of trading him, if we were ever going to it would have been when Terry first started.

Why do people continue to say our Defence and Forward line need the most work? Clearly, our midfield is shit and thats where we need to recruit.

our defense and midfield need alot of work

i think in 3 years simmonds will be a forward - hence why we need a ruckman. the comment of playing jack as a HFF is rubbish, way too slow for such a postition. i never said it would be a straight sway for woods, williams etc - but i don't think it would really be alot more to get it over the line on our end

and when the heck has jack and hughes played in defence??? jack, again - is too slow to play as a backman - and hughes maybe rested back there once??

and if you call schulz being toweled up in the defence as "experience" - it's an experience i never want to have again.

jay is a decent player, even a good one on his day - but we need players with much better mental strength than him - mental strength is what has held this team back for years - and i think hughes looks a better suit for a reliable forward. if we can use schulz to acquire a 10 year ruckman or fullback - i think we should take it, even if that player ends up being slightly less than jay - as top ruckman and full back's are much rarer than good marking forwards - there is about 8 teams with only subpar ruckman and full backs - there is only perhaps one or 2 teams with no or only subpar marking forwards.

 

[wart101]

No.
If you're hurting over Rodan doing well for the Powerpuffs then you'll slash an artery if Schulz goes anywhere.

doing well is an over statment, he's doing what he did with us it's just new to them and there getting excited, pretty funny actually being i live in adelaide, rodan is good but not that special, at port he is free to do what he want but at richmond he was required and never delivered, Good luck to him tho

 

[TonyModra]

roe > schulz

 

[tigerT]

Schulz is our only genuine FF, he aint going anywhere..

astro, are you for real, youd rather trade away a FF who isnt far off from a breakout bc we have simmonds who as a 30+ y/o will be a permannent forward? ridiculous.

FF - Schulz
CHF - Reiwoldt, wont roam, should be a stay at home CHF bc he takes a strong pack mark and will kick goals. Too slow for a roaming CHF benny!
HF - Hughes, he will be our roaming HF.

This is our forward line of the future, if we bring in a new potential star forward via the next draft or 2 then we can look at trading some of our current KP. Until then dont be stupid, we need them.

and benny FFS mate stop with your borderline diluusional optimistic descriptions of our players. Everyone you touch turns to sh.it! and just quietly Buddy was at Box Hill while recovering and coming back from an ankle injury not bc of form!

 

[kainokaino]

i think Polak is a CHB first for us with the ability to move forward when we need the advantage in a close game - a adam hunter type player

Imagine the list below in 3 years


B:Raines Roe(or drafted FB) Thursty
HB: JON Polak Newman
C: Tamblin Foley Edwards
Hf: Pettifer Reiwoldt Meyer
F: Simmonds Hughes N.Brown (hopefully)
Ruck: Woods Deledio Polo
Int: Pattison Connors J.Bowen , tuck , johnson, mcguane, coughlan, hyde

that above team seems pretty strong if we get proper development out of them

i think our key area's we need new players in is a ruckman, a fullback, and a pressure, quick forward. - a grunt midfielder is also needed

mate you gotta be kidding me.
tuck, j.bowden, johnson, coughlan and hyde should all be in that starting 18

FFS everyone stop saying kane johnson is crap and other things

hes playing with a broken hand id like to see you do it

 

[Bazzar]

I'll answer this one.


...and how much of JON have you seen? I hope you haven't just based your opinion on 3-4 half games in the AFL!
!

2 games for the seniors and 4 games for the Burgs. I know its not alot, but their is something not right about him that makes me think he will struggle at the highest level to make an impact. I hope im wrong and will be the first to appologise. But its just a horrible gut feeling

 

[Troy Wingate]

No.
If you're hurting over Rodan doing well for the Powerpuffs then you'll slash an artery if Schulz goes anywhere.

And look for Rodan to unleash hell on the Tigers this Saturday

 

[lids2004roar]

our defense and midfield need alot of work

i think in 3 years simmonds will be a forward - hence why we need a ruckman. the comment of playing jack as a HFF is rubbish, way too slow for such a postition. i never said it would be a straight sway for woods, williams etc - but i don't think it would really be alot more to get it over the line on our end

and when the heck has jack and hughes played in defence??? jack, again - is too slow to play as a backman - and hughes maybe rested back there once??

Don't make blind assumptions then tell people they are wrong.

Jack can play a HFF type role, just because you read he is slow on the internet doesn't mean he has to stand in the goalsquare. Have you ever seen him play?? You seem to think he can only play FF and maybe CHF. Jack has played CHB many times and he plays well there. Cleve Hughes has been playing in defence at Coburg for a year now and on the RFC website it says Hughes is the long-term replacement for Darren Gaspar. Again, you make a blind guess claiming he was thrown back "maybe once", well you simply don't know enough about these players to argue with everybody else.

Jack and Cleve both play forward and back - fact. They are better up forward, but if they are having a poor game then Terry can switch either one of them with Polak or McGuane if needed.

Jack is capable of playing HFF. He plays on the wing too actually. He played there for a while in Coburg's first game this year. These are facts about our players mate, I'm just stating some obvious things that you seem to think are wrong.

There is nothing wrong with Jay's mental strength - where did you pull that one from?!

Jay, like Pettifer, didn't have a naturally high work ethic at first. He has changed this despite being injured so often which restricts his ability to build his fitness.

 

[lids2004roar]

It pisses me off that a week ago everyone loved our youngsters, now all of a sudden because we lose by a big margin everyone thinks they are all crap.

Let's not judge every player so quickly. We haven't seen them develop yet.

About Jon, I have a very good feeling about him, so that can counter for your bad feeling about him

One MONTH ago Cleve Hughes was a "dud" to many people here! Quite a few people wanted him gone because he doesn't work hard enough.

Don't jump the guns!

 

[tigerT]

Don't make blind assumptions then tell people they are wrong.

Jack can play a HFF type role, just because you read he is slow on the internet doesn't mean he has to stand in the goalsquare. Have you ever seen him play?? You seem to think he can only play FF and maybe CHF. Jack has played CHB many times and he plays well there. Cleve Hughes has been playing in defence at Coburg for a year now and on the RFC website it says Hughes is the long-term replacement for Darren Gaspar. Again, you make a blind guess claiming he was thrown back "maybe once", well you simply don't know enough about these players to argue with everybody else.

Jack and Cleve both play forward and back - fact. They are better up forward, but if they are having a poor game then Terry can switch either one of them with Polak or McGuane if needed.

Jack is capable of playing HFF. He plays on the wing too actually. He played there for a while in Coburg's first game this year. These are facts about our players mate, I'm just stating some obvious things that you seem to think are wrong.

There is nothing wrong with Jay's mental strength - where did you pull that one from?!

Jay, like Pettifer, didn't have a naturally high work ethic at first. He has changed this despite being injured so often which restricts his ability to build his fitness.

you are full of sh.it mate,

Jack plays CHB and line up on a wing? roflmaooooooooo , AFL speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VFL speed end of story. He doesnt have the speed to be a roaming forward let alone lineup on a wing in an AFL game . His strengths are contested marking, hes a stay at home CHF.

Hughes is gaspars long term replacement? lmaooo stop sucking up everything you are fed from the website. He was thrown back pre-season and at times last season as a developmental phase. he aint a backmans a-hole. Pure leading HF.

Now do us all a favour and relax on the superlatives bc at this moment in time at 0-6 and on the back of one of the worst sherrrrrrlackings in the games history, its down right embarrassing seeing our players painted in a saint-like picture by you in every fu.(king thread

 

[lids2004roar]

I'm saying good things because we're talking about good players.

Want to start a thread about some of the hacks instead?

 

[santa claws]

I'm saying good things because we're talking about good players.

Want to start a thread about some of the hacks instead?

ah benny let me say i have never rated schulz. what has he done in 5yrs to convince you haes going to be a champion.the way i see it hes played a handful of half decent games since being drafted in 2002. imo he is slow poor below his knees lacks a brain cant find enough of the footy totally disappears in most games for huge chunks of them, and has had little or no improvement since he first came to the club.
its also my opinion we would be lucky to get a second round pick for him yet alone clubs handing over promising players like wood roe and even minson. they have all achieved more than schulz to date.
wallace once said he was a dud the only thing that has kept him at the club has been the odd glimpse and his age.there comes a time when the odd glimpse is not enough and his age wont save him.but im willing to bet we hang onto him until he has no trade value what so ever. its what we usually do at this club.

 

[Bazzar]

wallace once said he was a dud the only thing that has kept him at the club has been the odd glimpse and his age

Santa can you please point us to the actual text where he said that

 

[Bifrost]

Crap idea.

Let's see what a season without injuries and a fair go at FF will do for the lad before we start talking trade.

 

[Supertiger]

Adelaide are after both Schulz and Hughes but both are required players and Cameron Wood is being chased by us and we want him through the PSD. These are the rumours floating around.

Schulz, Hughes and Riewoldt are the 3 big forwards that will take RFC forward over the next 6 or 7 years.

We are looking for genuine midfielders with our picks although a development ruckman is still on the cards if we have 1 17 and 18.

If Masten produces a big carnival he may come in big time to be chosen by us although another kid called Cale Morton also has his admirers at Punt Road. Kreuzer, Cotchin, Grimes, Bellchambers also have admirers at RFC from what I was told. So what Im saying is its way to early to say who were gonna pick and we have to wait for the carnival.

 

[lids2004roar]

Schulz has done way more than Wood and co.

Schulz has kicked 6 goals on the best FB in the league. That alone is more dominating than anything Wood has done.

Then he has strung together about 14 games of solid 2 goal efforts proving consistency, but not consistency through quarters. Due to injuries his fitness hasn't improved much. When this improves he will "show up" for longer periods in games and therefore his 2 goals a game becomes 4-5 goals quite easily.

Just think, showing up for 1 quarter = 2 goals.

Improved fitness and muscle means showing up in more quarters = more goals.

He needs to work on other sides to his game though, and he always lands awkwardly from marking contests which is a worry.

 

[santa claws]

Santa can you please point us to the actual text where he said that

no i cant but he said it in one of his media roles not long before he came to punt road. others at pre in the past have commented on those remarks as well.

 

[emperor]

And look for Rodan to unleash hell on the Tigers this Saturday

I'd put money on it mate. Rodan 25 possies and 4 goals probably

 

[astro_toby]

mate you gotta be kidding me.
tuck, j.bowden, johnson, coughlan and hyde should all be in that starting 18

FFS everyone stop saying kane johnson is crap and other things

hes playing with a broken hand id like to see you do it

in 3 years? bowden will be 32-33 as will johnson - cogs will be lucky to play again - and who know what hyde will be - he could be elite, and he can be ordinary.

if our team is still revolving around those blokes in 3 years , we then know that miller definitely drafted the wrong kids

 

[santa claws]

Schulz has done way more than Wood and co.

Schulz has kicked 6 goals on the best FB in the league. That alone is more dominating than anything Wood has done.

Then he has strung together about 14 games of solid 2 goal efforts proving consistency, but not consistency through quarters. Due to injuries his fitness hasn't improved much. When this improves he will "show up" for longer periods in games and therefore his 2 goals a game becomes 4-5 goals quite easily.

Just think, showing up for 1 quarter = 2 goals.

Improved fitness and muscle means showing up in more quarters = more goals.

He needs to work on other sides to his game though, and he always lands awkwardly from marking contests which is a worry.

yep he kicked 6 goals in a game in his first season and hes still dining out on it.you make all the excuses you want for him benny but living on the old potential tag doesnt sit with me. oh just on wood in 2 yrs you will be wishing he was at richmond. it never ceases to amaze me how rfc people continually overrate underachievers at our club but cant or refuse to see a good footballer at other clubs. woods output is already way beyond schulz and what makes it hurt is wood should be a tiger.