Schwab and Connolly Here to Stay

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Fellas - regardless of where we finish or the members’ point of view Schwab and Connolly are here to stay until 2007. Street talk is that they are going to dig in and stay regardless of anything else.

If CC is sacked the payout will definitely be $800,000.00 and his mate Schwab sure looked after him.

My view is that we are a club in total crisis. How can you function when the players and a bulk of supporters have lost confidence in the management and the coach? If Schwab and Connolly choose to stay and try to function as a football team in this type of environment - it will only get worse.
 

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Don't read too much into what Schwab said yesterday, he had to say what he did. If he did come out and say anything different it would have been very worrying.

CC will go if we don't make the finals, simple as that. I am sure another 3-4 months of talkback radio will ensure this
 

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Each and every individual has choice. An individual makes dozens and dozens of choices each and every day of their lives.

I stated in an earlier thread that CC had lost me. Well that was a choice I made. No-one else. Since then, I have re-evaluated my choice and my choice now is that I am undecided. To allow myself to be undecided is also my choice.

I made a very long-winded post questioning who the FFC really is, and what do they stand for. Well, my belief is that each individual within the organisation can make the choices required to make the club what we want it to be.

If CC and Schwab are there till 2007, regardless of "popular" opinion, that is their choice. They have the contracts in place and they can choose to see out their contracts.

You see everywhere that the coach has lost the players, the coach needs to be able to motivate the players.... what about the players themselves??? Are they not choosing to be lacklustre on the field? Could they choose to play harder, smarter football? If the rumour mill is true, are they not choosing to be "lost" to the coach? Are they not choosing to remain unmotivated in their chosen profession? Could they choose to throw their support behind the man in charge and take some control over and responsibility for their own performances?

And we as members and supporters... we can choose to undermine our club and work against the systems and hierarchy in place, or we can choose to support our club and the people running it. We can choose to let them know we don't like how they are doing it or what the results are, and we have many, many choices in how we might go about that.

I don't believe that CC or CS are choosing to screw the FFC - they would be choosing to screw themselves also if that were the case. I do believe, however, that there are different choices that could be made.

Imagine if we all chose to work together towards making this footy club what it could be. Yeah, just imagine.
 

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IP some post. All these choices and all us poor supporters want is a football team that has some respect and to have a real go.

I look at a lot simpler. We are a failure at the moment and for Freo to move forward we need to change the coach. He has been given a go and has not delivered. He does not have the capability to deliver.
 

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CC will go if we don't make the finals, simple as that. I am sure another 3-4 months of talkback radio will ensure this
Why? Most of the board isn't member elected. And the ones that are probably have nothing to do with the appointment of the coach.
 

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There are a few reasons i think.

If we don't make the finals and CC is still the coach our club will become a laughing stock amoung the media, print and every other supporter. Although many word argue we are right now anyway ;)

I just think member and media pressure will ring true in the end, I think it depends greatly on where we finish. If we finish 9th then there is a chance he will be there next year. But if we finish 12th of lower he would be a dead set certainty to be gone. Between 9-11th then it's 50/50
 
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Freo Hitman said:
They all voted
Dave Garic voted against as did Les Everitt
Correction here Hitman DOcker dave and David Rawlinson(WAFC apointtee)
voted against it.

And if the vote was taken now I think it would be 5-4 in connolly's favour

If you had a contract, if you leave then you are breaking the contract no pay out.

If they sack you and there is no out clause then they have to pay you out.

As said before Cam has looked after connolly beautifully. Set up for life.

Gets paid out (maybe) then bobs up on Fox footy life is sweet.
 
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Ultimately CC and Schwab's fate is in the hands of Freo's board - one or both can't just dig in and stay if the board decides to move against them.
Judging by the mood of a lot of long time Freo supporters/backers, if CC doesn't get the team firing for the rest of the season then membership/sponsorship will take a bit of a hit should he remain. Like Peter Schwab, Frawley, Judge etc, CC could become a big financial liability for Freo.
That is usually enough to make a club board act even if it means a contract payout.
 

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The more I think about - what a bloody mess. Rational thinking (and especially after 2004 fadeout) would be to wait until the end of the season before making the CC extension decision.

I just shake my head.
 

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Fremantle President Rick Hart faced the media today with a strong message for all, Chris Connolly will stay at the club until his 2007 contract runs out.

“Chris Connolly is contracted to the end of 2007 and that’s where he will be.”

Hart was quick to make it clear today that Connolly’s position at the club was in no way in danger.

“Chris Connolly’s position as coach of the club is absolutely secure.”
 

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I think hart had to say those scomments while the media was at thier doorsteps waiting for a crak in the armour.


Rick Hart has revealed the board can decide to sack CC if the club plunges into further crisis, acoording tho the back page article in the Worst today, although he still defended the contract extension staunchly.

Really, I think it rests on the board.

If crisis continues and prssure from now continues to build and build, theres a possiblilty that CC could fall on his sword whether it is resigning or be sacked, before 2007.
 

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The more I think about - what a bloody mess. Rational thinking (and especially after 2004 fadeout) would be to wait until the end of the season before making the CC extension decision.

I just shake my head.
Gee Jars is that the sound I can hear,sounds like marbles running around an empty vessel.
 
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I look at a lot simpler. We are a failure at the moment and for Freo to move forward we need to change the coach. He has been given a go and has not delivered. He does not have the capability to deliver.
The downside of that kind of analysis is that it could equally be just as wrong as it could be right.

My Mrs argues that it is the old Freo culture which Connolly and Schwab have not been able to stamp out that is the problem. We have always been a "quirky" club and we're still a quirky club. Connolly is a quirky kind of guy. Based on Jarmo's kind of simplistic thinking she could be right.

I'm in the same boat as IP in regards to Connolly. I'm off that bandwagon for sure. But I am absolutely positive that the whispering campaign and media frenzy, being whipped up a by a select few, to tear down the whole thing is not justified, pointless and, if you think about a couple of the personalities involved, slightly deranged.
 
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Dr Ralph the problem is that the current admin want the dockers to be the "western" ones not the freo ones. They openly discourage the connectedness to the freo footy culture . They do pick and choose a bit here(Doig medal) and a bit there when it suits them but don't want the whole box and dice which is the 120 years of rich history and the associated passsion that goes with it.

It hasn't hurt Port Adelaide - they have won a flag because of it.
 

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I got a laugh from CC today :)

I havnt seen any TV news only got home from work a while ago so I dont know if it was on Tv.

So hear this part of an interview on 720.
I'm picturing CC with that wide eyed innocent look.

and he goes somthing like " We all know coaching is a tough job. I'm in the long haul. I'm not a quitter. That would be un Australian" Magic CC, Magic.

Some one forgot to tell him that half the State wants him sacked. But nope he wont quit 'that would be un Australian'

I know this doesnt make sense.
Stop the bus I'm getting back on.
:D

CC you've got until the end of the year and you better make that team look like it wants to play footy real bloody soon. :mad:
 

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Gee Jars is that the sound I can hear,sounds like marbles running around an empty vessel.
Maybe the sound of marbles running around an empty vessel is better than what is happening down at my footy team at the moment. It makes more sense!!!
 
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Dr Ralph the problem is that the current admin want the dockers to be the "western" ones not the freo ones. They openly discourage the connectedness to the freo footy culture . They do pick and choose a bit here(Doig medal) and a bit there when it suits them but don't want the whole box and dice which is the 120 years of rich history and the associated passsion that goes with it.

It hasn't hurt Port Adelaide - they have won a flag because of it.
This is "here we go again." What do they actually do to discourage connectedness to the Freo footy culture? No what they do is not get down on bended fetlock to do the bidding of a very small group of idiotic supporters. You only have to look at their lawyers letter about member's meetings. That was dead-set moronic.

Then there is the proposition that somehow, in some mystical, magical way, instilling their version of Freo footy culture will be the saving grace of the Dockers. You can cite Port Power all you like but the AFL club and the SANFL club have been at each others throats at times. There is no love lost there. Look at their sacking of Cahill.

And then look up the road where they are three games clear, staring down the barrel of a GF and they eschew any form of WA footy culture.

And then what about the rest of us who don't give a rat's for Fremantle football culture. I'm tired of it being shoved down my throat. I support my local AFL team which has to operate in a completely different world than the WAFL clubs of 30 years ago. I want the club to be successful now, not some happy go lucky, grass roots relic of the past. If I wanted a club like that I would have joined St Kilda -- who it should be noted have had to spend years getting rid of their grass roots culture.
 
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