Scores killed in China protests

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Scores killed in China protests

Violence in China's restive western region of Xinjiang has left at least 140 people dead and more than 800 people injured, state media say.

Several hundred people were also arrested after a protest turned violent in the city of Urumqi on Sunday.

Beijing says Uighurs went on the rampage but one exiled Uighur leader says police fired on students.

The protest was reportedly prompted by a deadly fight between Uighurs and Han Chinese in southern China last month.

The BBC's Chris Hogg in Shanghai says that if the numbers of dead are to be believed - and state media say they may rise - this look like the bloodiest violence in China since Tiananmen Square 20 years ago.

It is still unclear who died in the violence and why so many were killed.

'Foreign plot'

Uighur exiles said police had fired indiscriminately on a peaceful protest in Urumqi.

The Xinjiang government blamed separatist Uighurs based abroad for orchestrating attacks on ethnic Han Chinese.

Eyewitnesses said the violence started on Sunday with a few hundred people, and grew to more than 1,000.

Xinhua says the protesters carried knives, bricks and batons, smashed cars and stores, and fought with security forces.

Wu Nong, news director for the Xinjiang government, said more than 260 vehicles were attacked and more than 200 shops and houses damaged. An overnight curfew was imposed.

BBC sources in China report they have been unable to open the Twitter messaging site in Shanghai and that message boards on Xinjiang on a number of websites were not taking posts.

Reports from Xinjiang suggest some internet and mobile phone services have been blocked.

Urumqi resident Han Zhenyu told Reuters news agency there was no access to the internet. A representative of the China Mobile phone service told Associated Press its service was suspended in the region.

'Dark day'

Uighur groups insisted their peaceful protest had become victim to state violence.

The Uighurs were reportedly angry over an ethnic clash last month in the city of Shaoguan in southern Guangdong province.

A man there was said to have posted a message on a local website claiming six boys from Xinjiang had "raped two innocent girls".

Police said the false claim sparked a vicious brawl between Han and Uighur ethnic groups at a factory. Two Uighurs were killed and 118 people were injured.

However, the Xinjiang government has blamed the latest unrest on businesswoman Rebiya Kadeer, the Uighurs' leader who is living in exile in the United States.

"An initial investigation showed the violence was masterminded by the separatist World Uighur Congress led by Rebiya Kadeer," the government said in a statement, according to Xinhua.

It said the violence had been "instigated and directed from abroad".

The vice-president of the US-based Uighur American Association, Alim Seytoff, condemned the "heavy-handed" actions of the security forces.

"We ask the international community to condemn China's killing of innocent Uighurs. This is a very dark day in the history of the Uighur people," he said.

The BBC's Quentin Sommerville in China says Xinjiang, a mainly Muslim area, has been a source of tension for many years.

Some of its Uighur population of about eight million, want to break away from China, and its majority Han Chinese population.

The authorities say police are securing order across the region and anyone creating a disturbance will be detained and punished.

UIGHURS AND XINJIANG
*Uighurs are ethnically Turkic Muslims
*They make up about 8m of the 20m population
*China re-established control in 1949 after crushing short-lived state of East Turkestan
*Since then, large-scale immigration of Han Chinese
*Uighurs fear erosion of traditional culture
*Sporadic violence since 1991


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8135203.stm
Some video footage on the web page, including the always entertaining sight of a mob overturning a police car :p
 

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China has an approach to uprisings in place known as the 'One China policy'. It is well known that sectarian violence has been occuring in the Xinjiang province wiht minority Chinese wanting independence. If one minority group achieves independence through violence or through any means at all for that matter then other groups of people will follow suit. The policies towards Taiwanese independence movements have been similar. Although it might not have been exactly necessary to kill them, I wish our government took a harder line approach to protests in this country.
 

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I think the bloke is still suffering from the whacks in the head he has received on this board.
I think when you govern a nation of 1.2 billion people, what's a few deaths here or there. In a country with 56 ethnic minorities a hard lie approach is needed from time to time. Set an example to the rest who think that they might go down that path...
 

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Chinese authorities have executed nine people in connection with the ethnic riots in Xinjiang earlier this year, regional reports say.

Nearly 200 people were killed in July during unrest between ethnic Uighurs and members of China's Han majority in the regional capital, Urumqi.

The nine men were convicted of crimes including murder and arson, according to the state-owned China News Service.

The reports do not say whether those executed were Uighurs or Han.

But if the executions were in line with previous statements by the Xinjiang government, the group consisted of eight Uighurs and one Han.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8350360.stm
 

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Make sure you know who was doing the killing before wade into this one, some nasty pictures and videos out there and it's not the Chinese authorities weilding matchetes. The human rights proponents just give you the numbers and expect you to believe it was those nasty Chinese commies again.
 

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Make sure you know who was doing the killing before wade into this one, some nasty pictures and videos out there and it's not the Chinese authorities weilding matchetes. The human rights proponents just give you the numbers and expect you to believe it was those nasty Chinese commies again.
Care to elaborate Harry ?
 

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Make sure you know who was doing the killing before wade into this one, some nasty pictures and videos out there and it's not the Chinese authorities weilding matchetes. The human rights proponents just give you the numbers and expect you to believe it was those nasty Chinese commies again.
The epitomy of the 'useful idiot'.:eek:
 

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It's a Muslim thing.
In other words, it's a thing for the Mulims of Xinjiang not to bend over and get ****ed in the arse by the Han migrants that are swamping the region in a state sponsored mass immigration and cultural domination programme?

I love the way the islamophobes hatred is so strong it can make them defend something as nasty, and of far greater threat to out long term interests than Islam could ever be, as the dominance of Chinese rule.

Just wait to hear them whinge once we're all living under the Co Prosperity Sphere :rolleyes:
 

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In other words, it's a thing for the Mulims of Xinjiang not to bend over and get ****ed in the arse by the Han migrants that are swamping the region in a state sponsored mass immigration and cultural domination programme?

I love the way the islamophobes hatred is so strong it can make them defend something as nasty, and of far greater threat to out long term interests than Islam could ever be, as the dominance of Chinese rule.

Just wait to hear them whinge once we're all living under the Co Prosperity Sphere :rolleyes:
Now Bit, we've been through all this in the other thread on the people of Xinjiang, but you obviously don't learn do you? You just keep squealing out the same lines that you always do. You can pretend that it's all about assimilation and that the Han are 'swamping' the region, but it's not like that at all. Ethnic minorities are celebrated in China, as long as they don't push for independence. The Han workers are there to offer education and modernity to the Uyghur people. The government assumes that with a chance to succeed in life, the people will be less inclined to see terrorism against the state as a viable option.
 

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Oh, I learned alright. I leaned that you think Chinese nationalist expansion trumps human rights, and that your arguments could be used to justify Nazi expansion into new Lebensraum for the economically productive Aryan peoples, at the expense of backwards and unproductive Slavic's. I also learned that you arguments fit nicely with the Nazi arguments about 'terrorists' in places like occupied France or the occupied Balkans.
 

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Oh, I learned alright. I leaned that you think Chinese nationalist expansion trumps human rights, and that your arguments could be used to justify Nazi expansion into new Lebensraum for the economically productive Aryan peoples, at the expense of backwards and unproductive Slavic's. I also learned that you arguments fit nicely with the Nazi arguments about 'terrorists' in places like occupied France or the occupied Balkans.
That's like comparing apples to oranges. There is no plan to starve the people of Xinjiang to feed the Han Chinese in the big cities and the major goal is not to rape them of their resources... The aim to modernise the Uyghurs is humanitarian first and foremost with the intention to deter them from participating in terrorist acts. As someone who has probably spent his whole life in the city and never ventured out to a remote part of the world with the intention of helping the disadvantaged, I can forgive you for not understanding the mindset of the Han Chinese workers. It's a lot easier to sit on the computer and pretend you care isn't it.

As one of the 'bleeding heart brigade' I'm surprised you aren't a fan of the Chinese government's approach to dealing with their terrorists. I thought the left wing plan for defeating terrorism was this exact approach?
 

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In other words, it's a thing for the Mulims of Xinjiang not to bend over and get ****ed in the arse by the Han migrants that are swamping the region in a state sponsored mass immigration and cultural domination programme?
Coincidentally timed to coincide with violence between their own and Han on the other side of the country over industrial disputes.

Anyhoo I thought Muslims embraced multiculturalism? The ones that live here do, why don't they welcome new comers to their traditional lands?
 

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That's like comparing apples to oranges. There is no plan to starve the people of Xinjiang to feed the Han Chinese in the big cities and the major goal is not to rape them of their resources... The aim to modernise the Uyghurs is humanitarian first and foremost with the intention to deter them from participating in terrorist acts.
The Nazi's used all kinds of noble sentiments to justify their ethnic cleansing too, doesn't make it any more right or just.

As someone who has probably spent his whole life in the city and never ventured out to a remote part of the world with the intention of helping the disadvantaged, I can forgive you for not understanding the mindset of the Han Chinese workers. It's a lot easier to sit on the computer and pretend you care isn't it.
You dick, I spent a year in Latin America doing all sorts of crap, from working with street kids in Peru and Colombia, to doing earthquake reconstruction and animal welfare in Bolivia. And I'm studying spanish so that as soon as I get the money together I can go back to Latin AMerica and hopefully get a gig as a human rights observer in the Zapatista regions of Mexico.

What was the last aid work you did overseas?

As one of the 'bleeding heart brigade' I'm surprised you aren't a fan of the Chinese government's approach to dealing with their terrorists. I thought the left wing plan for defeating terrorism was this exact approach?
What, by colonising the enemies land and hanging everybody who tries to resist?
 

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Coincidentally timed to coincide with violence between their own and Han on the other side of the country over industrial disputes.
Go and have a look what is happening in China, there are literally hundreds of major ethnic and industrial conflicts flaring up across China every year, the chances that there would be two Muslim related unrest's occurring at the same time aren't exactly slim

Anyhoo I thought Muslims embraced multiculturalism? The ones that live here do, why don't they welcome new comers to their traditional lands?
You assume muslim culture is monolithic. But at any rate, what China is doing to its ethnic populations isn't multiculturalism, it's monoculturalism, that's the problem.
 
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