Scoresby Freeway has turned into a Tollway

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In Qld we have the Gateway and Logan as tollways.I don't see what the problem is.

Its cheaper than Citylink,which Kennett put in.
 

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I don't even think that's true. It seems that everyone jumping up and down about it are blinkered Liberal supporters who were never going to vote for Bracks in the first place, just looking for weakness to lay into Bracks.
He will lose plenty of votes. This is what a Mark Latham Government will do to you. Most victorian ppl hate the Labor government
 

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Suzi your childish arguments are a joke as usual. It a new road so why not have those that use it pay for it. I for one will probably never use it so why should I .

Your heros the Liberals put tolls on roads that already existed, I have to pay 2.40 to use the Tulla Freeway that existed long before citylink. But thats OK cause this end of Citylink is in the Labor heartland.

I don't have any problems paying for using the Tunnel or the Bolte Bridge as they are new roads, but the toll on the Tulla is a joke.
:rolleyes: I don't think that my argument is childish.
 

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I find the wailing from the opposition and the oppoents of the tollway interesting. They were very quite when City Link went through.

Maybe pressure should be out on Howard for reneging on his promise to fund half of the tollway. If the Feds had kept thier promise there would be no tolls.
 

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The Neapean or whatever road they take now will still be there.
True but my folks will still have to pay, either way. They really don't want to be paying money for travelling on a road. We have City Link which is flawed anyway.
 

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We have City Link which is flawed anyway.
And I suppose you pointed this out at the time and changed your vote accordingly. There used to be tolls on West Gate and amazingly the ALP took them off. Privately funded infrastructure was one of the good moves made by Kennett - it creates a dynamic which hopefully will be sustained as there is no fare evasion.
 

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And I suppose you pointed this out at the time and changed your vote accordingly. There used to be tolls on West Gate and amazingly the ALP took them off. Privately funded infrastructure was one of the good moves made by Kennett - it creates a dynamic which hopefully will be sustained as there is no fare evasion.
yep sure did. Looks like that the ALP have done the full circle.
 

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Of course, the ALP has ********ed away the strong financial position it inherited from the Kennett government, PLUS all the GST revenue it collects, such that not it cannot even afford basic road infrastructure.
I have to agree Tim56.Philosiphically I'm in favour of the user pays ideal however in the case of roads the user has already paid.
Very hefty taxes are added to petrol and we also pay registration fees each year.If these aren't for building better roads then what are they for?Oh thats right,bailing out Ansett.
 

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Oh great more tolls..... Grrr.

That's what has happened today. A large group led by Janet Holmes-Acourt has won the bid.

Grrr. :mad:
Did you only just learn about this Suzi? I mean, I live in Perth, have been to Melbourne once in the last three years and only have the vaguest idea where this road is to run, and I've known it was probably going to be a tollway for months.
 

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yes user pays sucks. I hate it the way I go to the pub and cant put it on the taxpayers account. I hate the way I have to pay for my own holidays rather than just toddling off to Noosa on the govt. It really irritates me that Foxtel is user pays so I have to pay to watch the Hawks play, obviously the ABC should get all sporting rights. It sucks that I had to pay for my own car rather than just take one from the govt car pool. All the taxes I pay and I still have to pay for both private and public health. Its a disgrace, everything should be for free. That would help the community and make Australia stronger economically. You know it makes sense.

That's great, too bad you can't apply the same logic to wealthy Private Schools.
 

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IIRC, Cain took the tolls off the West Gate only after its construction had been finally paid for, in 1986. Can remember as a little tacker having to have the 50c ready to go to put in the bucket as we went over too (can you believe that..50c!)

Read the reports in today's Herald-Sun and I can only add to the comments I made in regards to suzi's off-the-cuff comments about it and included in the prject (and once again conveniently forgotten) are these 2 things, that not even I knew about:

$85 million bypass of Dandenong...hands up those who live in the south-east who have been caught in the bottle neck on the Monash between Stud Road and Narre Warren? Having the bypass go from Springvale Road, Keysborough to the South Gippy Freeway, will certainly help alleviate the traffic snarl that occurs there, even on Saturdays!

A new bus route is in the bargain too, running from Caulfield and down along Wellington Road to Rowville. Brilliant. Will certainly help those living in the Scoresby/Rowville area, who basically need to drive, in giving them an additional travelling option.

As to Doyle's idea of buying back the private investment, all I have to say is..wtf? You can't buy back what you didn't already have!!!
 

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IIRC, Cain took the tolls off the West Gate only after its construction had been finally paid for, in 1986. Can remember as a little tacker having to have the 50c ready to go to put in the bucket as we went over too (can you believe that..50c!)
That's what's supposed to happen with tollways - once paid for that's it. Certainly the toll roads in Sydney are all supposed to get the tolls removed when paid off, and the Sydney - Newcastle Freeway did start out as a tollway but the tolls have long since been removed. Of course, the tolls on the Sydney Harbour Bridge & Tunnel are going nowhere ever - in fact they are being levied for works on other roads around NSW.

All I can say here in WA is thank god we don't have toll roads, but I guess they're not far away, although traffic here is rarely heavy enough that people wouldn't just avoid roads with tolls.
 

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never paid a citilink toll, won't pay the new toll.

bracks will lose seats over this because this was a phenominal backflip and a lie.

finally this is a BETTER deal than citilink, as Dandy/frankston road, springvale etc will not be vandalised as a consequence of this infrastructure.

There are plenty of alternative routes which WONT be affected.

Kennett wore a lot a crap for citilink as citilink had the right to ask the government and the taxpayer to PAY for the changes to footscray road (4 lanes to two lanes and a changed more awkward route through docklands), alexandria parade (2 lanes to 1 one), batman avenue (closed and a new batman avenue that was tolled), changes through ascot vale, flemington and racecourse as well as south melbourne being vandalised to make it harder to avoid the tolls.

Ie, this is a completely NEW piece of infrastructure, and the old infrastructure is STILL there to use.

the Citilink had some new infrastructure (domain and bolte bridge amongst others) but they merely expanded on existing infrastructure of the south eastern and tulla freeways, and got to toll for existing infrastructure which i disagree with).

I will travel extra time and extra KM to avoid the citilink and will do so for the bypass roads, i will never pay tolls.

If the bypass contract sabotages existing roads as kennett did, I will actively protest against bracks...

big diff b/w bracksy and kennetty :D
 

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never paid a citilink toll, won't pay the new toll.

bracks will lose seats over this because this was a phenominal backflip and a lie.
bracks is actually taking the high moral ground on the issue. Saying the buy back the opposition propose would take money out of schools and hospital. Cunning. (check spelling)
 

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I don't even think that's true. It seems that everyone jumping up and down about it are blinkered Liberal supporters who were never going to vote for Bracks in the first place, just looking for weakness to lay into Bracks.
passing up $465m from the federal government to keep it as freeway and then making it a tollway without any federal funding is probably not a great political move whatever side of the fence you're on.
 

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There are probably other (in fact I know of other) vitally important projects that the Federal funding could be used on..but, the way the Federal Government are thinking, all will struggle to get funding, which seems petty.
By-passes of Deer Park, Pakenham, Craigieburn, Geelong, Shepparton and Bendigo are a good place to start.

The Deer Park bypass will run from the Ring Road to beyond Caroline Springs.
The Pakenham bypass will run from the Berwick bypass to Nar Nar Goon.
The Craigieburn bypass is expected to run from the Ring Road to Wallan.
The Geelong bypass will run from Corio to Waurn Ponds.
Bendigo's bypass will follow the current alternative route to Marong, from Ravenswood.
Shepparton's bypass will follow the similar alternative route from Kialla to Congupna.

Each will alleviate traffic snarls on major highways and freeways through towns that have struggled to cope at times with traffic.
 

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Each will alleviate traffic snarls on major highways and freeways through towns that have struggled to cope at times with traffic.
Like Stud Rd, Springvale Rd, Westall Rd, Blackburn Rd, Mitcham Rd, the centre and surrounds of Dandenong etc

It took me 1 hour and 45 minutes to get from Preston to Patterson Lakes on Wednesday afternoon.
 

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They could catch the train? I note that you most likely have no problems that people who catch the train instead of drive have to pay to use the infrastructure provided?
Effective public transport in the Eastern suburbs? HAHAHAHA!
 

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I find the wailing from the opposition and the oppoents of the tollway interesting. They were very quite when City Link went through.

Maybe pressure should be out on Howard for reneging on his promise to fund half of the tollway. If the Feds had kept thier promise there would be no tolls.
The Liberals never pretended it would be free.
 
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