Scott Gumbleton

[Dr Moose]

I think the comparison between CHF and CHB as being essenttially interchangeable is an interesting concept. Johns leads and marks well, certainly much better than he spoils and tackles. Especially with such a rapid turnaround from the kick-in the CHB needs a clear idea of how the play should develop and where his teammates are, and their characteristics around him. Sure, height and strength are good, but it's a very key position. Certainly needs a lot of footy smarts, so Kepler's not ready yet (God I wish we still had Hardwick). I don't know what the best answer is, but I don't think we should draft Gumbleton and stick him there straight away, not at least until after his first season.

 

[Dan26]

If there is a choice between a midfielder and a tall marking CHF, take the big player.

Big players are players you can build your team around. Plus, in five years time Lloyd will retire and Gumbleton will be 23 - approaching his peak.

Midfielders don't have the same impact.

Think of West Coast's midfield. Is it Judd alone? Or is it Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Fletcher combined which make them great?

Think or Brissy at their best? Was it Voss alone? Or was it Voss, Black, Aker, Power combined which made a great midfield?

The midfiled of the great teams is really a joint thing between 3 or 4 top players.

Think of the top forwards, though. J.Brown - you think of him on his own as someone you can build a team around. Carey, same. Kernahan, same. Lloyd, same.

Those big marking players stand out on their OWN, not as part of a midfield group. They are the game changers, the team changers, the real keys to success.

If Gumbleton and Gibbs are seen as roughly equal ability go for Gumbleton. You don't build teams around one midfielder - you do build them around a champion key forward.

It's a bit like an NBA Basketball team selecting a big 7 foot centre instead of a point guard. Big players are the key.

 

[DaSawx]

I like you're thinking Dan.

I think we bringing up a nice young midfield core of our own already. We're in the top half for possessions and inside 50's and apart from Campo are all quite young. Watson, Stanton and Dyson will all improve and hopefully Ryder will be a star, would be great to add a monster marker like Gumbelton.

What happens in a few years if Hille, Laycock and Ryder are all 22 game a year players? Do we trade Hille/Laycock?

 

[Dan26]

I like you're thinking Dan.

I think we bringing up a nice young midfield core of our own already. We're in the top half for possessions and inside 50's and apart from Campo are all quite young. Watson, Stanton and Dyson will all improve and hopefully Ryder will be a star, would be great to add a monster marker like Gumbelton.

What happens in a few years if Hille, Laycock and Ryder are all 22 game a year players? Do we trade Hille/Laycock?

No, I wouldn't trade Hille/Laycock in the future. You can't have too many big players IMO. You can have too many ruckman, but you can never have too many big tall marking players. The more the better. Within reason of course. Hille has shown he can be a good foward option too, and Ryder seems to be a versatile type.

My theory is your first pick in the draft should always be a tall marking player (unless you get a one in a generation player like Judd), then you stock up on midfileders with your other picks.

Pick your spine first. Then work around that.

 

[Stargazer]

I think we're a good chance to take Gumbleton if we finish last. He's a genuine pack-marking CHF with a good engine, agility, and skills. But really I think there are a few players vying for #1, I think the public perception that it's clear cut is misleading.

So do I. It like comparing apples and oranges. Do we want to go with a kpp or a midfielder ? And who's to say who is going to be the best in 3 years time ?

 

[Donsforever]

How tall (in centimetres) is Gumbleton?

 

[DonsRule]

No, I wouldn't trade Hille/Laycock in the future. You can't have too many big players IMO. You can have too many ruckman, but you can never have too many big tall marking players. The more the better. Within reason of course. Hille has shown he can be a good foward option too, and Ryder seems to be a versatile type.

My theory is your first pick in the draft should always be a tall marking player (unless you get a one in a generation player like Judd), then you stock up on midfileders with your other picks.

Pick your spine first. Then work around that.

I agree. There should be plenty of decent mid fielders around the 17-21 picks, anyway.

So I think take the Big tall, use out Proity pick (after the 1st round), and our 2nd round pick on mid fielders.

 

[Philhawk]

If there is a choice between a midfielder and a tall marking CHF, take the big player.

Big players are players you can build your team around. Plus, in five years time Lloyd will retire and Gumbleton will be 23 - approaching his peak.

Midfielders don't have the same impact.

Think of West Coast's midfield. Is it Judd alone? Or is it Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Fletcher combined which make them great?

Think or Brissy at their best? Was it Voss alone? Or was it Voss, Black, Aker, Power combined which made a great midfield?

The midfiled of the great teams is really a joint thing between 3 or 4 top players.

Think of the top forwards, though. J.Brown - you think of him on his own as someone you can build a team around. Carey, same. Kernahan, same. Lloyd, same.

Those big marking players stand out on their OWN, not as part of a midfield group. They are the game changers, the team changers, the real keys to success.

If Gumbleton and Gibbs are seen as roughly equal ability go for Gumbleton. You don't build teams around one midfielder - you do build them around a champion key forward.

It's a bit like an NBA Basketball team selecting a big 7 foot centre instead of a point guard. Big players are the key.

Good post Dan.

As i've posted elsewhere, I remember reading about John Kennedy once saying, "by the Third Quarter, the smalls get slower but the talls don't get any smaller!". With that in mind I say draft BIG BIG BIG!

 

[DaSawx]

Good post Dan.

As i've posted elsewhere, I remember reading about John Kennedy once saying, "by the Third Quarter, the smalls get slower but the talls don't get any smaller!". With that in mind I say draft BIG BIG BIG!

Haha, I like that

 

[Longy413]

Played there against Adelaide (although everybody struggled that night) and against the Demons and did not look good. He's the kind of player who needs to stick to what he knows best, because he struggles at that at times, he is not the answer to our CHB problems.

He also played back there against Brisbane last year and a couple of stints in the VFL.

He can't move sideways.

 

[DaSawx]

He also played back there against Brisbane last year and a couple of stints in the VFL.

He can't move sideways.

He's shown some real good signs lately as a forward, no need to change anything.

Those run of injuries must be so friggin frustrating

 

[Longy413]

He's shown some real good signs lately as a forward, no need to change anything.

Those run of injuries must be so friggin frustrating

Indeed.

At least the latest injury was an impact injury rather than his body letting him down.

 

[Merv]

If we do decide to go tall and with the need for a CHB what are the chances of us taking Hansen.
He is highly rated, plays CHB and one advantage i see is that he is Victorian,so you don't have the lure of them wanting to go home after they become good hanging over the clubs head

Whos seen him and how does he rate compared to Gumbleton on talent?

 

[foj1]

If we do decide to go tall and with the need for a CHB what are the chances of us taking Hansen.
He is highly rated, plays CHB and one advantage i see is that he is Victorian,so you don't have the lure of them wanting to go home after they become good hanging over the clubs head

Whos seen him and how does he rate compared to Gumbleton on talent?

Hansen is a very good player who in other years would be a definite Number 1- eg over Murphy and Goddard. However he is not as exciting as gumbleton athletically. hansen is probably more of a CHB at AFL level than Gumbleton. As I have mentioned in another thread that I started recently I think Gumbleton is number 1, Hansen 2, Gibbs 3. Watching tapes and games I am questioning where Sellar fits and I would rate Luenenberger and Thorp in front of him. Our most important picks are definately the late first round priority and early second round pick. They are the ones which will be vital to get right. If we go tall with pick one do we get two midfielders with those picks or do we simply draft the best available talent? My feeling is the best talent available is the way to go.

 

[Merv]

Hansen is a very good player who in other years would be a definite Number 1- eg over Murphy and Goddard. However he is not as exciting as gumbleton athletically. hansen is probably more of a CHB at AFL level than Gumbleton. As I have mentioned in another thread that I started recently I think Gumbleton is number 1, Hansen 2, Gibbs 3. Watching tapes and games I am questioning where Sellar fits and I would rate Luenenberger and Thorp in front of him. Our most important picks are definately the late first round priority and early second round pick. They are the ones which will be vital to get right. If we go tall with pick one do we get two midfielders with those picks or do we simply draft the best available talent? My feeling is the best talent available is the way to go.

Thanks for that info foj1.
What are the chances of jetta and or collard still being around at pick 17-19.
Are they worth taking as potential midfielders/Forward Pockets or do you think there are better players than them for us.
Is Jetta good anough to be a Phil Matera type and play permenant Forward Pocket?

Infortunately i havent seen any of these players as i don't have pay tv, so have really only been going on what i have read.

 

[blumfieldisback]

we should get gumbleton with the first pick, trade seconf pick plus player for James kelly and pick up another speedy midfielder with the third, get ritchechelli or polak in PSD.

Next year if we are allowed and the wraps on the kid are good enough trade gumbleton for Judd, i dont care how good gumbleton could be I WANT judd.

 

[DaSawx]

we should get gumbleton with the first pick, trade seconf pick plus player for James kelly and pick up another speedy midfielder with the third, get ritchechelli or polak in PSD.

Next year if we are allowed and the wraps on the kid are good enough trade gumbleton for Judd, i dont care how good gumbleton could be I WANT judd.

Dude, West Coast aren't going to trade Chris Judd

 

[blumfieldisback]

Dude, West Coast aren't going to trade Chris Judd

they want a quality key forward though, and if judd isnt worth a no.1 draftee in what shapes as the best Kpp draft then what is worth it, he comes out of contract next year.

 

[Merv]

they want a quality key forward though, and if judd isnt worth a no.1 draftee in what shapes as the best Kpp draft then what is worth it, he comes out of contract next year.

Hes not going anywhere

 

[go_the_bombers]

West coast won't trade there captain! The only way he would leave West coast is to come home and I can't see that happening

 

[blumfieldisback]

footy is a stange game u know, did u see Stkilda trading lockett or Barry Hall, whatabout frematle trading the no.1 draft pick for trent croad, they too could have got judd or hodge or ball????? Did u see Wayne Carey ever leaving the kangaroos when he was captain or when Gary ablett quit Geelong in 1990, All stars whatabout Nick stevens leaving Port Adelaide when they were within the peripheral of gaining a premiership (which they did) to a perennial wooden spoon candidate in Carlton. Cash speaks volumes and funny things happen in footy so dont be too sure Judd will stay in WA if they win the premiership this year he may want to come back home, if they dont they too like Stkilda may just miss there window of oppurtunity because teams like the dogs who are very similar are rising.

 

[Big John]

We could offer West Coast most of our list and all our draft picks for Judd and we still wouldn't get him. The only way he''l be traded is if they're is a major fallout and i don't think that is going to happen.

It would be like us trading Lloyd in 2000, or Hird in 96.

 

[dave_27]

We could offer West Coast most of our list and all our draft picks for Judd and we still wouldn't get him. The only way he''l be traded is if they're is a major fallout and i don't think that is going to happen.

It would be like us trading Lloyd in 2000, or Hird in 96.

Or Wanganeen in '96?

If the player wants to go back home the club has no choice but to trade or let him walk for free.

 

[DaSawx]

That's a big if. He seems pretty happy and I think if he was going to do it he would have done it when he was younger.

He may do it when he is 30 and maybe won a flag there, by then it may not be worth the while