Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 2

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How long for the New PM? Will he make it to the next election? Or is another knifing coming?

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kirky

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We all remember how well John Howard handled the political aftermath of Port Arthur in regards to Gun laws, but honestly I don't recall any other PM's responses to other natural disasters that we've had over the last 40 years. Ash Wednesday, Black Saturday, Canberra bushfires, Queensland Floods. Actually, I mostly recall state premiers and civil leaders during those times.

I hear what you're saying though. I just don't buy into the whole "optics" hysteria which doesn't seem genuine to me and stinks of political oppertunism by his detractors. He's still finding his feet as PM in some ways, but you are right he does need to get on the front foot a bit more, and be more assertive especially against the vitriol directed at him. He really needs to stop pandering to those that want nothing more than to see him fail.
I’ll raise a Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard.

Jesus, these right wingers have short memories.
 

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"Labor leader Anthony Albanese wants an urgent meeting of state and federal leaders to discuss the bushfire threat and address the need to pay firefighters.

"I say to the Prime Minister he can do three things immediately," Mr Albanese said, "which is to bring forward the COAG [Council of Australian Governments] meeting, meet the former fire chiefs, and do something now to provide support for those volunteer firefighters who have been in the field for such a long time".

Mr Morrison said the meeting would not be moved and he had received no requests from fire chiefs for firefighter compensation."
The meeting is scheduled for March. Un*******real. Can't put his bullshit religious discrimination bill on the backburner for a bit?
Yes scheduled for March after the summer. By then however everything will have been burnt. No need to implement then.
 

kirky

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Mere pissant dilettantes compared with the structural deficit permanently inflicted upon the Australian people for insane ideological reasons by HowardCostello.
Franking credits?

Don’t agree with it even though I will be a beneficiary in a couple of years when I turn 60 - one of ALPs policy which wasn’t explained clearly. If you have pay no tax, you shouldn’t receive a refund of the franking credit.
 

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Franking credits?

Don’t agree with it even though I will be a beneficiary in a couple of years when I turn 60 - one of ALPs policy which wasn’t explained clearly. If you have pay no tax, you shouldn’t receive a refund of the franking credit.
Yes, franking "credits" were one small element in the HowardCostello economic vandalism.
 

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Franking credits?

Don’t agree with it even though I will be a beneficiary in a couple of years when I turn 60 - one of ALPs policy which wasn’t explained clearly. If you have pay no tax, you shouldn’t receive a refund of the franking credit.
Another one voting against self interests, great stuff :thumbsu:
 

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Yes scheduled for March after the summer. By then however everything will have been burnt. No need to implement then.
just like infrastructure in the cities, bushfire safety cant belft to ‘shell be right mate’ any more. More people, different weather etc etc

we have a shell be right mate for PM
 

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I'm not going to argue that the optics are terrible and he's handled things incredibly poorly. I just don't think jumping on a bloke for prioritising time with his family over pats on the back and photo ops is a worthwhile discussion. I'd rather talk about what he's going to do in the aftermath when the federal government actually has a role to play in allocating resources.
morrison and his mates raise the bar re optics when gillard and rudd had emergencies to deal with.

they are reaping what they sowed
 

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Mathew Guy was a minister in a govt that cut 40 million from the CFA in 2013 so he should keep his mouth shut
has guy no self awareness?

when every other bigfooty poster is declaring socialism dead, he managed to get huge swings to labor in the most expensive real estate in melbourne
 

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Its almost like Rudd Gillard Rudd didnt fu** our economy for at least a generation.
Is this where I point to a mountain of evidence of Labors mismanagement of our economy and you either ignore it happened or run some nonsence argument that they didn't? Luckily the Australian electorate is not so blind.
Some shocking opinions you've got there. Have a read.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Treasurer Wayne Swan ... saved the country. Australia was the only developed nation not to go into recession during the global financial crisis but the ignoble response from Opposition leaders Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott (who soon replaced him) to the stimulus and borrowing required sowed the seeds for the difficult times the country now faces.

~ Pádraig Collins, Irish economics writer, 2017

The great merit of the (Labor) government was to adopt a strongly counter-cyclical fiscal policy stance. The fiscal expansion that started in 2008 was the right move at the right time … There are simply no empirical foundations to the statement that Rudd and Gillard mismanaged the economy. In fact, the data tell exactly the opposite story.

~ Fabrizio Carmignani, United Nations economist, 2013

‘Australia has navigated the global recession brilliantly ... there's no other developed country that's done half as well. If you made a list of the developed countries that have done well in this recession, Australia is at the top.’

~ Anirvan Banerji, Economic Cycle Research Institute, New York, 2009

Kevin Rudd ... put in place one of the best-designed Keynesian stimulus packages of any country in the world. He realized that it was important to act early, with money that would be spent quickly, but that there was a risk that the crisis would not be over soon. So the first part of the stimulus was cash grants, followed by investments, which would take longer to put into place. Rudd’s stimulus worked.’
~ Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Colombia University, Nobel Prize winner

I think the Australian response to the crisis was well-judged and highly successful. It’s depressing, though understandable, that the Australian public doesn’t realise what a good job was done and what a bullet we dodged.”
~ Professor John Quiggin, University of Queensland’s School of Economics

‘The effectiveness of our stimulus was due to both the size of its measures and the speed with which they were introduced. The targeting of households and schools (on which work can be undertaken rapidly) also contributed to the speed of its effect. So it seems the design of the stimulus is critical.’

~ Christopher Stone, research director, Centre for Policy Development, 2013

‘The Australian Treasury estimates that without the stimulus packages the unemployment rate would have been forecast to peak at 10 per cent rather than 8½ per cent. With the stimulus, there are estimated to be up to 210,000 more people with jobs.’

~ Dr Steven Kennedy, Treasury General Manager, 2009

Australia's high level of political stability and governance is maintained, which supports the country's attractive business climate ... Australia has remained one of the strongest performing economies in the AAA universe since the global financial crisis began’.

~ Fitch credit rating agency, London and New York, 2013.
 

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Some shocking opinions you've got there. Have a read.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Treasurer Wayne Swan ... saved the country. Australia was the only developed nation not to go into recession during the global financial crisis but the ignoble response from Opposition leaders Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott (who soon replaced him) to the stimulus and borrowing required sowed the seeds for the difficult times the country now faces.

~ Pádraig Collins, Irish economics writer, 2017

The great merit of the (Labor) government was to adopt a strongly counter-cyclical fiscal policy stance. The fiscal expansion that started in 2008 was the right move at the right time … There are simply no empirical foundations to the statement that Rudd and Gillard mismanaged the economy. In fact, the data tell exactly the opposite story.

~ Fabrizio Carmignani, United Nations economist, 2013

‘Australia has navigated the global recession brilliantly ... there's no other developed country that's done half as well. If you made a list of the developed countries that have done well in this recession, Australia is at the top.’

~ Anirvan Banerji, Economic Cycle Research Institute, New York, 2009

Kevin Rudd ... put in place one of the best-designed Keynesian stimulus packages of any country in the world. He realized that it was important to act early, with money that would be spent quickly, but that there was a risk that the crisis would not be over soon. So the first part of the stimulus was cash grants, followed by investments, which would take longer to put into place. Rudd’s stimulus worked.’
~ Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Colombia University, Nobel Prize winner

I think the Australian response to the crisis was well-judged and highly successful. It’s depressing, though understandable, that the Australian public doesn’t realise what a good job was done and what a bullet we dodged.”
~ Professor John Quiggin, University of Queensland’s School of Economics

‘The effectiveness of our stimulus was due to both the size of its measures and the speed with which they were introduced. The targeting of households and schools (on which work can be undertaken rapidly) also contributed to the speed of its effect. So it seems the design of the stimulus is critical.’

~ Christopher Stone, research director, Centre for Policy Development, 2013

‘The Australian Treasury estimates that without the stimulus packages the unemployment rate would have been forecast to peak at 10 per cent rather than 8½ per cent. With the stimulus, there are estimated to be up to 210,000 more people with jobs.’

~ Dr Steven Kennedy, Treasury General Manager, 2009

Australia's high level of political stability and governance is maintained, which supports the country's attractive business climate ... Australia has remained one of the strongest performing economies in the AAA universe since the global financial crisis began’.

~ Fitch credit rating agency, London and New York, 2013.
schools particular state schhols the inside run through planning applications
 

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Some shocking opinions you've got there. Have a read.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Treasurer Wayne Swan ... saved the country. Australia was the only developed nation not to go into recession during the global financial crisis but the ignoble response from Opposition leaders Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott (who soon replaced him) to the stimulus and borrowing required sowed the seeds for the difficult times the country now faces.

~ Pádraig Collins, Irish economics writer, 2017

The great merit of the (Labor) government was to adopt a strongly counter-cyclical fiscal policy stance. The fiscal expansion that started in 2008 was the right move at the right time … There are simply no empirical foundations to the statement that Rudd and Gillard mismanaged the economy. In fact, the data tell exactly the opposite story.

~ Fabrizio Carmignani, United Nations economist, 2013

‘Australia has navigated the global recession brilliantly ... there's no other developed country that's done half as well. If you made a list of the developed countries that have done well in this recession, Australia is at the top.’

~ Anirvan Banerji, Economic Cycle Research Institute, New York, 2009

Kevin Rudd ... put in place one of the best-designed Keynesian stimulus packages of any country in the world. He realized that it was important to act early, with money that would be spent quickly, but that there was a risk that the crisis would not be over soon. So the first part of the stimulus was cash grants, followed by investments, which would take longer to put into place. Rudd’s stimulus worked.’
~ Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Colombia University, Nobel Prize winner

I think the Australian response to the crisis was well-judged and highly successful. It’s depressing, though understandable, that the Australian public doesn’t realise what a good job was done and what a bullet we dodged.”
~ Professor John Quiggin, University of Queensland’s School of Economics

‘The effectiveness of our stimulus was due to both the size of its measures and the speed with which they were introduced. The targeting of households and schools (on which work can be undertaken rapidly) also contributed to the speed of its effect. So it seems the design of the stimulus is critical.’

~ Christopher Stone, research director, Centre for Policy Development, 2013

‘The Australian Treasury estimates that without the stimulus packages the unemployment rate would have been forecast to peak at 10 per cent rather than 8½ per cent. With the stimulus, there are estimated to be up to 210,000 more people with jobs.’

~ Dr Steven Kennedy, Treasury General Manager, 2009

Australia's high level of political stability and governance is maintained, which supports the country's attractive business climate ... Australia has remained one of the strongest performing economies in the AAA universe since the global financial crisis began’.

~ Fitch credit rating agency, London and New York, 2013.
Don’t muddy the water with facts
 

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Trust the CFA (who are nothing more than a publicly funded social club) to blame "the left" for the bushfires
 

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Stimulus cheques to visa overstayers, dead people, drug addicts and China via Harvey Norman (wife and I still waiting for ours fwiw)
Definitely not the greatest part of the stimulus but I would argue that is an implementation issue and not a policy issue.

Even so, those payments equaled $39 million and were less than 0.5% of the total payments given out. In the grand scheme of things a minor issue but yes an issue and goes towards your wasteful comment.

And fwiw, why bring up the fact that you and your wife did not get a payment? Makes you sound like a jilted lover. Do you not like the policy for the actual policy or for the fact you did not get any money? One question, were you even meant to get the money? Not everybody was.

So that was your first point. What is your other mountain of evidence?
 

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Some shocking opinions you've got there. Have a read.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Treasurer Wayne Swan ... saved the country. Australia was the only developed nation not to go into recession during the global financial crisis but the ignoble response from Opposition leaders Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott (who soon replaced him) to the stimulus and borrowing required sowed the seeds for the difficult times the country now faces.

~ Pádraig Collins, Irish economics writer, 2017

The great merit of the (Labor) government was to adopt a strongly counter-cyclical fiscal policy stance. The fiscal expansion that started in 2008 was the right move at the right time … There are simply no empirical foundations to the statement that Rudd and Gillard mismanaged the economy. In fact, the data tell exactly the opposite story.

~ Fabrizio Carmignani, United Nations economist, 2013

‘Australia has navigated the global recession brilliantly ... there's no other developed country that's done half as well. If you made a list of the developed countries that have done well in this recession, Australia is at the top.’

~ Anirvan Banerji, Economic Cycle Research Institute, New York, 2009

Kevin Rudd ... put in place one of the best-designed Keynesian stimulus packages of any country in the world. He realized that it was important to act early, with money that would be spent quickly, but that there was a risk that the crisis would not be over soon. So the first part of the stimulus was cash grants, followed by investments, which would take longer to put into place. Rudd’s stimulus worked.’
~ Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Colombia University, Nobel Prize winner

I think the Australian response to the crisis was well-judged and highly successful. It’s depressing, though understandable, that the Australian public doesn’t realise what a good job was done and what a bullet we dodged.”
~ Professor John Quiggin, University of Queensland’s School of Economics

‘The effectiveness of our stimulus was due to both the size of its measures and the speed with which they were introduced. The targeting of households and schools (on which work can be undertaken rapidly) also contributed to the speed of its effect. So it seems the design of the stimulus is critical.’

~ Christopher Stone, research director, Centre for Policy Development, 2013

‘The Australian Treasury estimates that without the stimulus packages the unemployment rate would have been forecast to peak at 10 per cent rather than 8½ per cent. With the stimulus, there are estimated to be up to 210,000 more people with jobs.’

~ Dr Steven Kennedy, Treasury General Manager, 2009

Australia's high level of political stability and governance is maintained, which supports the country's attractive business climate ... Australia has remained one of the strongest performing economies in the AAA universe since the global financial crisis began’.

~ Fitch credit rating agency, London and New York, 2013.
You have copied and pasted a bunch of random crap from all over the leftist world.
 

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Waaaaah lefties, booooo lefties, anything I don't like has to be left, waaaaah

The sun rises from the east and sets at the west, the west is on the left hand side, the sun is left, the sun is leftist trash waaaah

Anyone that unhinged and stupid getting to vote is very worrying for the world
 

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