Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 3

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QuietB

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Come on guys, you and I both know that advocating the wholesale clearance of an ethnic group from disputed territories is right out of the Slobodan Milosovic playbook. A lot of those settlers have been there for multiple generations at this point.

It's a totally unconscionable policy, and I'm surprised you're so happy to brush it off
Wrong.

There are recognised boundaries and Israel choose to ignore them. And the rest of the world chooses to ignore Israel’s behaviour.

Calling the Two State Solution a totally unconscionable policy is a new low.

Every political party in Australia supports the two state solution.
 

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Realistically a lot of the rest will start voting Liberal once they get a mortgage and a couple of kids

The ALP really needs to find a way to appeal to young middle-income families, they always lose elections in the 35-45 age bracket
All you need to do here is misquote Churchill and we have a perfect right wing apologist post.
 

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The Coalition has never had a consistent or homogenous ideology so I don’t really see them having any kind of identity crisis

They will just continue to pivot to oppose whatever ALP does, and continue to pick up most of the votes of people whose interests are not served by organised labour

That will only change if the ALP decouples from the union movement, which I can’t see happening in my lifetime
True, but that doesn't mean that they lack a traditional base.

Traditionally, for the Liberals, that has been middle to upper-middle class families, with blue-ribbon areas being the epicentre of such. Menzies originally appealed to these people, under the assumption that working-class types were likely to be unionised. For the Nationals, it's been socially conservative rural/regional residents.

This changed somewhat under Howard, who courted working/middle-class families in the outer suburbs (including tradies), in a successful bid to co-opt One Nation and exploit the vacuum caused by declining union membership. ScoMo then took things further by courting the 'coalies' in FNQ, while The Nats have more or less taken their base for granted by courting Big Mining.

So now you have several types of LNP voter: 1) the blue-ribbon type, 2) 'Howard's battlers', 3) the 'coalies' and 4) rural/regional residents. These groups are difficult to reconcile, and so the 'blue-ribbon' types are abandoning them for independents. Meanwhile, the battlers don't necessarily care for the 'coalies' (especially down south, away from the Hunter region), whereas the rural/regional residents are increasingly disillusioned with The Nats.

The result? Base-bleeding. It happened to the ALP, and it's happening to the LNP. It's just that in the LNP's case, the base-bleeding started some 15 years after the ALP's did (during Hawke's era), so it's just less obvious. Also, just as the ALP has struggled to deal with declining union membership, the LNP will struggle to deal with a decline in family formation.

I still maintain that in the future, our electoral system will increasingly resemble New Zealand's, if not Italy's, insofar as the majors (if they still exist), will have to effectively govern in concert with minors/independents - and who knows how many of them there will be. It will be interesting, at least.
 

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Wrong.

There are recognised boundaries and Israel choose to ignore them. And the rest of the world chooses to ignore Israel’s behaviour.

Calling the Two State Solution a totally unconscionable policy is a new low.

Every political party in Australia supports the two state solution.
if you can’t differentiate between supporting a two state solution and supporting the forced deportation of three quarters of a million people, then it’s probably best you don’t hold an opinion on the situation
All you need to do here is misquote Churchill and we have a perfect right wing apologist post.
just an observation

The ALP need those voters to make the numbers stack up, and they should be a lot easier to win than the over-45s

I still maintain that in the future, our electoral system will increasingly resemble New Zealand's, if not Italy's, insofar as the majors (if they still exist), will have to effectively govern in concert with minors/independents - and who knows how many of them there will be. It will be interesting, at least.
I don’t see how that is reasonably possible under our current electoral system
 

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Don't forget an increasingly casualized workforce and house prices out of reach of many.

There's nothing like trying to get a $300k mortgage when you are doing 25 hours a week at Woolies.
IIRC we have the the highest if not the highest under employed / over casualised workforce in the world.

And weirdly, no one seems to give a sh*t about it
 

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I don’t see how that is reasonably possible under our current electoral system
Well, we won't be ditching IRV or compulsory voting anytime soon, so in that sense our system can't (and probably shouldn't) exactly resemble theirs.

However, in NZ, the majors often have to govern in concert with various minor parties.

That won't quite happen here, but you will see minors/independents have significantly more influence upon the majors than they do now, because the majors will heavily rely on them to form government. These independents will have competing interests that will need to be accommodated, not unlike with the minor parties who help the major party form government in NZ.
 

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IIRC we have the the highest if not the highest under employed / over casualised workforce in the world.
It is a bit hard to make a statement like that, because conditions, definitions and data vary so wildly from country to country

For example, a permanent employee in an at-will state in the US can have their hours cut or their employment terminated more easily than a casual in Australia - so comparing rates of casualisation doesn’t necessarily give a clear picture

That said I agree that increasing casualisation and lack of job security is an issue

The ILO did a report on global non-standard employment a few years ago that is worth reading

 

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There have been no back-to-back years of punishing stress which exacts its toll not only on the mind but on the body, too.
His children have not been raised in the kind of penury that scientific studies have shown actually reduce the volume and surface area of brain matter in young people, by as much as 20%.
These shrinkages of the brain occur not because of a lack of access to nourishing food (though these are also problems).
Nor do they occur because of poorer access to health, dentistry and quality education, although these are all issues, too.
I want this to sink in so read it slowly: the studies show our brains fade away precisely because of the stress that poverty breeds in the home.
It is the mental and physical exertion that does it; the ambient terror of not knowing how the day will unfold or if you will make it through it.
Young children absorb this persistent anxiety in their own bodies, the way our teeth collect and preserve caesium isotopes after radioactive exposure.
None of these things has ever applied to Scott Morrison.


Someone needs to send this to Jenny
 

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Lots of truth to this.

The politics at my private school was certainly more pro-LNP than at my shithole state school.

25-34 is some age gap in the modern times, though. Given how quickly things change now (even here), they may as well be from different generations. The 34 year olds would be old enough to remember the (relative) best of Howard, but the 25 year olds wouldn't.
The Upper-middle class get roped in by the LNP's tax cuts. That's what they live for, the upper 10% of the country controls the party. Executives, mining magnates, private school boys who dream of working at the IPA, print moguls. They're the ones in charge. They've always been faced with the dilemma of knowing that they govern for the top 10-20%, so how do they win enough votes for power?

Appeal to the lowest common denominator. Populism, which is the Nats bread and butter. Racism, bigotry, homophobia, Religious values, attacking welfare recipients. Sloganeering like "have a go you'll get a go". People too poorly educated or simple that they don't understand policy and legislation enough to realise that the party they continue to vote for actually legislates against them, in favour of the 10-20%.

Lately the Religious have become the problem. They've had critical thinking indoctrinated out of them from a young age which makes them loyal servants to dogma, but there's nothing the religious people love than seizing power and telling people what to do. LNP people have used them, particularly in Victoria, as loyal foot-soldiers, but now run the risk of them taking over the party from the 10%. In fact they're losing some of the 10% who can't put up with the racism, climate denial and bigotry any more. If that shifts permanently and the Christians seize control across the country, they might get too many campaigns like the last Victorian election.

Morrison embodies the new LNP. Unable to even critically think himself, he smirks and dog whistles and embodies the type of person loyal to dogma who the LNP have solidified as their base. Stupid people love that we have a stupid PM (very-US like) and the 10% know he's their lackey and will pass pro-10% laws and these days just direct hand-outs to friendly religious and media orgs in return for their support.

(The ironic part for the ALP is that if you point out to LNP supporters that they've been duped, they're far more likely to double-down than critically analyse their positions. So, for example if one were to read this, they would only feel more strongly about the dogma and even less likely to critically think).
 
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if you can’t differentiate between supporting a two state solution and supporting the forced deportation of three quarters of a million people, then it’s probably best you don’t hold an opinion on the situation
lol - What is your position on the South China Sea?
 

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It should never have been allowed to happen.

To quote a well-known Italian statesman
How did things ever get so far?
Exactly. And just because it has been a long time (although in historical terms it has been no time at all) does not mean that it should not be unwound.

It is a massive failure by the rest of the world that it was allowed to happen.
 

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QuietB

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It's a distraction argument and you're taking the bait.
True enough

Linda Reynolds has been taken to hospital.

I guess we miss out on her earth shattering speech about imminent war in the Indo-Pacific region.

Given India dominate the Indian Ocean and China has SFA interests there, and China are increasingly dominating the Pacific and India have next to no interests there I am not sure how an Indo-Pacific war actually happens but anyways
 

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