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Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 4

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* Once hospitalisation and fatality rates are similar to the flu. QLD and VIC are both softer on this, they want the economy and borders to open once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated regardless of the % of population that have. I agree with them, however not sure it is a wise thing to be pushing when the focus on on getting people vaccinated.

Stop deliberately telling only part of the story
Did i NOT hear the word " extreme " used ?

Not generally in the habit of making things up
 

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Did i NOT hear the word " extreme " used ?

Not generally in the habit of making things up
What's the issue?

Australia will move into a phase where it would seek to minimise serious illness, hospitalisation and fatality as a result of COVID-19.
This would mean restrictions would ease for vaccinated residents, including lockdowns and border controls.
"Lockdowns would only occur in extreme circumstances to prevent escalating hospitalisation and fatality," Mr Morrison said.
 
How many people in this thread are over 40, not yet had their first jab, yet are complaining about the speed of the roll out?

If you are in Melbourne, you can get in within 7 days.
Mine is Tuesday, so more than happy to complain. Down here, we only get 20k doses sent to us per week.
 
What's the issue?

Australia will move into a phase where it would seek to minimise serious illness, hospitalisation and fatality as a result of COVID-19.
This would mean restrictions would ease for vaccinated residents, including lockdowns and border controls.
"Lockdowns would only occur in extreme circumstances to prevent escalating hospitalisation and fatality," Mr Morrison said.
LOL you tell me , you're the one telling me what i can and can't say.

I swear i heard the word " extreme " , if i misheard it or misunderstood the context then apologies for any confusion
 
This is not Morrison’s plan. It’s the national cabinets. Andrews is part of that.
Morrison said Dan rang him the night before and agreed to get the Labor premiers onside if certain procedures, namely reducing the number of incoming travellers and making lockdowns the last resort, were adopted. So it’s been a Labor-Lib arm wrestle so far.

Incidentally, they have been taking - I can’t remember if it was 3000 or 6000 - incoming travellers per week, yet there are still 34,000 on the waiting list to come back. It never seems to reduce. Even allowing for business people arriving.
 
Slogans? They were genuine policies not slogans. And rather then making a captains call on thé thresholds he is relying on independent modelling. The way it should be.

stop being so partisan. For once it seems like they have done something decent in the national cabinet. moving away from Covid cases to hospitilization rates. This is massive good news. Extra rewards for the vaccinated.

thé only other thing I wanted to hear that wasn’t made was an announcememt about new pro vaccine advertising.


we still however need a royal inquiry into the vaccine rollout out failure. The libs stuffed up here and their needs to be punishments.
Hunt set a one month deadline to make public the modelling and the percentages of vaccinated needed for each stage. He said this on pm (on abc radio).
 
Putting aside for a minute the blame for our vaccine roll out, and I'm not sure where it lies.

Why should Australia be a priority for vaccine access in the first place? It seems odd for progressive types to be raging about that.
Australia should be a priority because it affects me. There is no votes or incentive to GAF about other countries.
 

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They were genuine policies not slogans.
He has vanished for a few days to cobble together an announcement he hopes everyone will forget about in a week.

And claimed credit for Despot Dan's plan.
 
There's an argument to be made that with a fatality rate 1/20th of the Alpha variant, perhaps the Delta variant, whilst more infectious, is little more than the flu anyway. Possibly even less.
Trying to find a reference for that, can only see some data from UK (who are much more vaccinated) which at this stage is low (0.1%) although would want to see in a couple of weeks (deaths lag disease)
 
You're asking me to accept that Morrison organised the worst vaccine rollout in the developed world. I don't. Nor do I accept that he's blameless. I don't know.

But my question is why are we bitching about it?
Because we are sick as fork of lockdowns, travel restrictions, social distancing and all the things that have become “essential “ in this pandemic

I was initially pro lockdowns while waiting for a vaccine. We now have it so we vaccinate the we get things back to normal
 
How many deaths would you be okay with?
It’s more how much does it cost per life saved? Both financial and social costs (and also what are financial and social costs of let it rip as well)
 

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Millions of vaccines have been administered, more on the way. You don't pay on delivery.
AZ is available for anyone over 18, you can book online and get it at a GP. The GP will administer it after some questions and consent. Just because it is not the recommended vaccine for under 60s, doesn't mean it is not recommended.

So was told directly from the manager of a Victorian vaccine hub
- due to lack of supply they have to cut their appointments for Pfizer
- while they have AZ, due to the political flipping and flopping they now have to do informed consent for under 60s
- they are being told supply will improve (with moderna availability) in September
 
So was told directly from the manager of a Victorian vaccine hub
- due to lack of supply they have to cut their appointments for Pfizer
- while they have AZ, due to the political flipping and flopping they now have to do informed consent for under 60s
- they are being told supply will improve (with moderna availability) in September
I heard Tpch, has a backlog of 2 months for staff.
 
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