Scott Pendlebury - approaching Judd, Ablett etc?

[Gone Critical]

I think Murphy and Selwood are the obvious comparisons for Pendles. These 3 are at similar stages of their careers and perhaps like the Voss/Buckley/Hird grouping you can make arguments for either 3 being the best of the group. Clearly they are no where hear those 3 in overall standing.

Ablett and Judd are well ahead of Pendles , their best seasons have been ahead of anything Pendles has yet produced and they have done it for far longer. This applies to Swan also who remains ahead of Pendles still

Ablett and Judd have been doing long enough now to enter the arguments with the likes of Hird Buckley Voss etc

Let Pendles sort himself out with his peers before we get too carried away

Out of interest I would rate Selwood 1st of the group with Pendles and Murphy, as they have been for almost their whole career, too hard to split

 

[Hank_Hill]

Scott Pendlebury is nothing more then a poor man's Heath Scotland

 

[TradeDraft]

Scott Pendlebury is nothing more then a poor man's Heath Scotland

You just made a Fool of Yourself and Juddy is a Poor Mans Swan

 

[cobbly]

People forget that pendles is only 23.

GAJ is 27 and Judd has just turned 28.

He has still got a bit to do to match/beat these guys, but he has time to do it.

I dare say by the time pendles is 27 he will be being talked about the same way GAJ is.

 

[The Spaniel]

stupid comment rose jam

 

[The Press]

Scott Pendlebury is nothing more then a poor man's Heath Scotland

Your the exact reason i hope you mob get flogged this week, so his a poor man of a bloke we traded away as he wasnt good enough for the pies....mmmm..

Says alot about your mob then...

 

[MarkT2]

Always amuses me when Collingwood fans rave on about Swan being the best player in the comp...well no, he's not even close to best player in his own team!!!

Me must be pretty close given he's won the last 3 B&Fs!

I think Pendlebury might have passed Swan this year but if he has it is still neck and neck.

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Ablett Judd
Goodes

Black
Bartel Hodge Swan
Mitchell Pendlebury Selwood Murphy Hayes

Cooney Boyd Dal Santo Thompson


This is probably a visual representation of the best midfielders in the afl. With each line being a different level.

I think Pendlebury will sit next to Goodes by the time his career is finished. Also going up quickly are Selwood and Murphy.

 

[doppleganger]

Ablett Judd
Goodes

Black
Bartel Hodge Swan
Mitchell Pendlebury Selwood Murphy Hayes

Cooney Boyd Dal Santo Thompson


This is probably a visual representation of the best midfielders in the afl. With each line being a different level.

Is that based on reputation??

How the feck do you have Black there?? He is no longer a dominant midfielder...even at his own club Redden and Rockliff have caught him and many may say have gone past him.

Bartel also has had a poor season in comparison to his own lofty standards, and would be a level below Pendles and Murphy.

 

[KnobHead]

Is that based on reputation??

How the feck do you have Black there?? He is no longer a dominant midfielder...even at his own club Redden and Rockliff have caught him and many may say have gone past him.

Bartel also has had a poor season in comparison to his own lofty standards, and would be a level below Pendles and Murphy.

You left out the bit where he said Pendles will be Goodes like at the end of this career.

And why are you basing Pendlebury's effectiveness compared to others on this year alone? Guys like Black & Bartel have had brilliant careers. Surely the measurement of a player is across their career?

Unlike Judd & Ablett, he's never proved his worth in a poor team. Both Judd and Ablett have excelled in poor teams, Judd has been an integral factor in taking a debacle of a team to a top 5 team, Ablett has starred in a team with 3 wins. Pendles may never get the chance to prove that he can excel in a poor team, and can still perform without Swann, Ball, Johnson etc around him.

For what it's worth, Pendles is the best player from his draft. He's also a better mark than Judd or Ablett. He's the best player at Collingwood. Based on this year alone he's in the top 2 or 3 midfielders. Was sensational on Saturday. But he hasn't proved himself like Judd & Ablett have.

Maybe, in 3 or 4 years, he will have

 

[Footy guru]

Pendles is a different type of player to Judd and Ablett though...

Judd, Ablett are attacking players...

Pendles is more of a facilitator, he just oozes class in terms of setting up Magpies' middle structure and occasionally the clearance off the in bounce.

Swan is more in the mould of Judd and Ablett...

Pendles is currently BEST at what he does though... whilst Swan is arguably has had a down year thus maybe a step below Judd/Ablett... but last season he was certainly up there.


But yeah... I think Pendles is a different type of STAR player.... more like a craftier Simon Black type.... whilst as stated, Swan is Pies' version of Judd/Ablett..

nonetheless all 4 names mentioned on this post are top 15 players in the entire league.

How can you say swan has had a down year? Has most clearances for pies, has finished top in dream team again, may finish year top possessions, won SEN footballer of the year and came equal second with Goodes for ABC footballer of the year and he finished in top four in age and herald sun. Not bad for a guy who was injured in March and then again and played on with injuries until going to Arizona. Amazing how some have written him off this year. Mike Sheehan has him higher than Pendles in top 50 for the year. Swan's effort to run the length of the ground on most occasions is amazing and he is number one at clearances for pies not pendlebury and he has played more games.

 

[mdc]

Surely the measurement of a player is across their career?

If this were a thread about careers, it'd immediately be an idiotic thread. Clearly over their careers Judd and Ablett are miles ahead.

So surely the sensible thing to do is to assume that this thread is asking about this season's form, or at least comparing Pendlebury's form over this season to the form of Ablett post-2007 and Judd over his career.

Fwiw, I'd argue that Pendlebury's current season is more consistently excellent than any single Judd season, although Judd's best games are still more outstanding, and Judd also has to deal with tighter tags. Ablett still a clear no.1 significantly ahead of both.

 

[crownie]

a great link player, however time will tell once if is the number 1 target for opposition like ablett and judd are and still perform if he deserves to be named with them.

i would pick Swan over him....

 

[mdc]

How can you say swan has had a down year? Has most clearances for pies, has finished top in dream team again, may finish year top possessions, won SEN footballer of the year and came equal second with Goodes for ABC footballer of the year and he finished in top four in age and herald sun. Not bad for a guy who was injured in March and then again and played on with injuries until going to Arizona. Amazing how some have written him off this year. Mike Sheehan has him higher than Pendles in top 50 for the year. Swan's effort to run the length of the ground on most occasions is amazing and he is number one at clearances for pies not pendlebury and he has played more games.

If Pendlebury hacked it forward without looking every time he got a hard ball like Swan does, he'd probably lead the league for clearances.

I love Swanny, but this has been a down year because with the exception of the first month and a few games toward the end, his ball use has been atrocious.

 

[Kipz]

Difference between him and them is loyalty.

 

[Terex8]

Grant Thomas summed it up pretty well. He's an extension of Judd who can take a mark & kicks goal on a more regular occurance.

 

[doppleganger]

And why are you basing Pendlebury's effectiveness compared to others on this year alone? Guys like Black & Bartel have had brilliant careers. Surely the measurement of a player is across their career?

Im not basing it on just this year...Pendles went past Black as a player back in 2009.

Pendles caught Bartel last year, ie Pendles was a top10-20 type player in 2010, and now he has gone past and is top 3-5.

I was asking if it is based on reputation, as if it was why wouldn't guys like J.Corey or a bloke like Goddard drop off (wasn't he the best player going and up with Ablett last year??).

Sure Black had a great career, but he has not been in the top echelon for a fair while now.

Unlike Judd & Ablett, he's never proved his worth in a poor team. Both Judd and Ablett have excelled in poor teams, Judd has been an integral factor in taking a debacle of a team to a top 5 team, Ablett has starred in a team with 3 wins. Pendles may never get the chance to prove that he can excel in a poor team, and can still perform without Swann, Ball, Johnson etc around him.

I laugh at how people now think playing well in a rabble team is now a great achievement...in all those Buckley, Voss and Hird debates people would say Buckley had it easy as he was the only good player Collingwood had.....now all of a sudden it is the sign of a champion!?!?

For what it's worth, Pendles is the best player from his draft. He's also a better mark than Judd or Ablett. He's the best player at Collingwood. Based on this year alone he's in the top 2 or 3 midfielders. Was sensational on Saturday. But he hasn't proved himself like Judd & Ablett have.

Maybe, in 3 or 4 years, he will have

Pendles is a norm smith medalist, and may potentially claim a BnF in a premiership year in 2011....that is proving yourself...he is already at their level and has his best 4-5 years in front of him now...scary thought!

 

[Helfarch]

With good reason.

As good as Pendlebury is his single best season hasn't been as good as the three seasons Ablett put together in '08, '09, '10 and the seasons Judd put together in '04, '05, '06 and the first half of '07.

Both Judd and Ablett are fantastic clearance players who can also burst clear and run the lines gaining 50-70m and also kicking goals on the run. Pendlebury's more of a cruising Rolls Royce.

Having said all that, he's in the top 3 in the league. Ablett clearly the best mid in the league, Pendlebury back in the next group with Selwood, Judd, Mitchell, Swan.

Not as good as Ablett and Judd, Ablett has shown he is clearly the best midfielder in the comp playing in a team thats struggling and still tears games apart.
Pendlebury may of have had a better season than Ablett this year as he is in a more dominant midfield, last year Ablett's season isnt even comparable in terms of his output as Pendlebury's.
As for Judd for an all-round package he is still in a class higher than Pendlebury, likely to win a third brownlow medal, his leadership qualities are underated.

Interesting. I have seen the same things said about Judd and Ablett before when their teams were the riegning premiers. You make it sound like not having to burst from a pack because you have all the time in the world is a bad thing.

He is a ridiculous football.

I know some say 'be the football' but he does take it too far sometimes.

 

[Helfarch]

a great link player, however time will tell once if is the number 1 target for opposition like ablett and judd are and still perform if he deserves to be named with them.

i would pick Swan over him....

Judd has just been tagged out of games by Lewis and Hocking in the last few weeks, what's your point?

Both Judd and Ablett have been tagged out of games.

Who needs to play on Pendlebury to have your all important approval?

 

[Hank_Hill]

You just made a Fool of Yourself and Juddy is a Poor Mans Swan

Juddy just won the MVP award and will collect a 3rd Brownlow in acouple weeks.. How many Brownlow medals have Swan won???? 0....... How many times has Swan been selected in the AA side 2 times. Whilst Juddy is sure to be selected for the 6th time will be selected as the AA captain this year.. If i am a fool then your an idiot for making such a stupid comment.

 

[Drexl 31]

Good grief, approaching Judd?, gone past and is pulling alongside Ablett as we speak, Judd has been eating his dust for 18 months.

lolololololololol......idiot

 

[Drexl 31]

Scott Pendlebury is nothing more then a poor man's Heath Scotland

 

[Madblue]

Good grief, approaching Judd?, gone past and is pulling alongside Ablett as we speak, Judd has been eating his dust for 18 months.

So do we listen to nuff nuffs on BF like you or the AFL players themselves ? Judd AFLPA MVP by a landslide as voted by his peers.

End thread !

 

[micksolo]

Anyone got the stats on Pendleburys total contested posessions this year? I think he wins a lot more contested balls than people think.

 

[MarkT2]

a great link player, however time will tell once if is the number 1 target for opposition like ablett and judd are and still perform if he deserves to be named with them.

i would pick Swan over him....

Calling Pendlebury a link player sells him short. He is also a clearance player and a forward of the ball weapon. He gets tagged plenty. He smashed them last week no matter how hard they tried to tag him wich whichever Selwood they threw at him.