I like the idea of the small leadership group, just keep them away from Davoren, or may have to deputize a few more.
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Adams doesn't have anything going for him off field apart from the previous mentioned drunken and assault incidents. I don't see any leadership qualities in him. His spot really should of gone to Treloar.Off field image doesn't scream leader, presents himself as bashful, quiet and a jokester. Doesn't speak particularly well at events like the Copeland trophy, he also appears to lack presence in those situations.
Steele hasn't done anything wrong, but is also notorious for liking a good time off the field. IIRC Adams I think was also involved in an assault related incident when he was with GWS, but he has other qualities onfield and off field going for him, that Steele lacks IMO.
How can you base your opinion off his ability to talk at Copelands? You have to realise the leaders are put up by the players mostly and they obviously respect Steele and his football IQ and ability to connect with them.Off field image doesn't scream leader, presents himself as bashful, quiet and a jokester. Doesn't speak particularly well at events like the Copeland trophy, he also appears to lack presence in those situations.
Steele hasn't done anything wrong, but is also notorious for liking a good time off the field. IIRC Adams I think was also involved in an assault related incident when he was with GWS, but he has other qualities onfield and off field going for him, that Steele lacks IMO.
He's actually a lot like Shaw. Shaw and Adams are leaders. Both aren't clean skins on and off the field. Both quite vocal.Adams is nothing like Shaw.
If I was Treloar I'd be disappointed I wasn't named Vice over Adams.Adams doesn't have anything going for him off field apart from the previous mentioned drunken and assault incidents. I don't see any leadership qualities in him. His spot really should of gone to Treloar.
He's actually a lot like Shaw. Shaw and Adams are leaders. Both aren't clean skins on and off the field. Both quite vocal.
Hey Scodog10 do you know if Grundy has any leadership aspirations??
He is my pick after Treloar.
Don't know about aspirations, but I don't think he's grown much as a leader over the past 12 months anyway. It might be a good thing that he isn't involved yet because he still has a lot to improve on in his game as well, IMO. Leadership is for those that have their game completely in order so they can show the way for others.
I do also wonder whether we would have seen such a slimmed down group under LT...
Fair enough re Grundy..........from the outside he seems to be someone I would follow.
In regards to LT my guess is we would have the boot studder in the leadership group also in 2017 if it was still in place!
Adams doesn't have anything going for him off field apart from the previous mentioned drunken and assault incidents. I don't see any leadership qualities in him. His spot really should of gone to Treloar.
Adams is nothing like Shaw.
That's mainly because Adams, despite being a lad, isn't an ADD disruption around the place and is a far more dedicated footballer on the track who sets a good example as a team man (unlike Heater in his last couple of years with us).That's just so far off the mark!
Both are prone to WTF moments (seriously what was Adams thinking kneeing Westoff?), both are lads off the field (Adams rap sheet is worse), both instruct on the field (as above), I wouldn't put either in front of a camera and both would bleed/ bled for the club.
They play different roles and have different relationships with the current coach which is about the end of their differences!
Look at PluggerDon't know about aspirations, but I don't think he's grown much as a leader over the past 12 months anyway. It might be a good thing that he isn't involved yet because he still has a lot to improve on in his game as well, IMO. Leadership is for those that have their game completely in order so they can show the way for others.
I do also wonder whether we would have seen such a slimmed down group under LT...
That's mainly because Adams, despite being a lad, isn't an ADD disruption around the place and is a far more dedicated footballer on the track who sets a good example as a team man (unlike Heater in his last couple of years with us).
I love Heater and always will but he was a total disruption and liability after we won the flag.
I don't think he was a good fit for leading teams......We've had this discussion before so I won't rehash it other than to say he hasn't been a distraction up north or under MM? Perhaps it was simply that a group of people didn't know how to manage him and attempted to control rather than embrace...
FWIW I think we'd see a different attitude towards him were he to be traded back today because people have matured in their roles, IMO.
Halelujah I say. The way leadership groups were going some clubs were looking at having a "leader" for every other player. Ridiculous. So I'm very happy that we've scaled it back to the minimum that's needed. It allows players to take ownership of their own role. Having just a Captain and two VCs should allow a more consistent message to get through too. From a few things I've read throughout the preseason it seems that the club has taken a more player-driven approach, something that gives each of them more responsibility for themselves and creates less of a heirarchy amongst the group.
I was basing it on a range of things, I used theHow can you base your opinion off his ability to talk at Copelands? You have to realise the leaders are put up by the players mostly and they obviously respect Steele and his football IQ and ability to connect with them.
Curious about the bolded, I'm not exactly up to date but only thing I've seen is http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-15/has-nathan-buckley-changed-enough-to-keep-his-job which gives some interesting insights consistent with your comment (including an about face from Buckley).
If I was Treloar I'd be disappointed I wasn't named Vice over Adams.