Analysis Scott Selwood Debate

[TheBeardedEagle]

While it's impossible to say for sure, I'm comfortable 2015 Scott Selwood would not have won us the premiership. He has panicked under pressure all year and given away stupid frees/50's with a bit of regularity too. I defended him when he came back, but he just kept doing it.

A GF changes the way the team plays. We saw that with the WC team. I disagree with you, a tag on Mitchell had the ability change the entire momentum of the game. My opinion is that Mitchell needed the tag.

As he didn't play it is speculation either way. But leaving out your VC when he is fit is a perilous move.

Remember that in 2006 they brought back Wirrapunda for the 2006 GF and gave the side age and experience over a player that had significant time on the field that year.

 

[ZergMinion]

A GF changes the way the team plays. We saw that with the WC team. I disagree with you, a tag on Mitchell had the ability change the entire momentum of the game. My opinion is that Mitchell needed the tag.

As he didn't play it is speculation either way. But leaving out your VC when he is fit is a perilous move.

Remember that in 2006 they brought back Wirrapunda for the 2006 GF and gave the side age and experience over a player that had significant time on the field that year.

When was the last time Selwood was effective as a tagger? His opponents have cut him up in the last couple of years. Tagging Mitchell *may* have changed the game, but Selwood wasn't up to that job.

 

[nameless]

Shit player, happy to get anything.

Compensation should be abolished in any case.

 

[TheBeardedEagle]

Shit player, happy to get anything.

Compensation should be abolished in any case.

I look forward to you swearing about how SS is better utilised at Geelong during the 2016 season.

 

[TheBeardedEagle]

When was the last time Selwood was effective as a tagger? His opponents have cut him up in the last couple of years. Tagging Mitchell *may* have changed the game, but Selwood wasn't up to that job.

So he has only just come back from injury and was had passed his fitness test and was ready to play. List management decision to play or not to play from round 19 or 20

 

[nameless]

I look forward to you swearing about how SS is better utilised at Geelong during the 2016 season.

Well he will start to actually pass to west coast players now.

 

[greennick]

I look forward to you swearing about how SS is better utilised at Geelong during the 2016 season.

He will no doubt be better utilised by Geelong. Unfortunately, our current system doesn't have a place for someone that plays the role he was so good at under Woosh. When forced to play in our system, it highlighted his deficiencies and didn't allow him to show off his strengths.

Personally, I would still rather he is in our squad, however not at 1.6m over 4 years.

 

[WCEbrody]

Yeo,Duggan and Sheed will be better prospects going forward but make no mistake, pick 37 is unders for Selwood.

 

[ZergMinion]

Yeo,Duggan and Sheed will be better prospects going forward but make no mistake, pick 37 is unders for Selwood.

It's not the worst someone's been ripped off under free agency though.

 

[ZergMinion]

So he has only just come back from injury and was had passed his fitness test and was ready to play. List management decision to play or not to play from round 19 or 20

And the list management committee clearly decided against him, probably because he didn't have a huge amount of match fitness, was out of form and our other players were all ahead of him on merit. He got a heap of chances to show form throughout the season, and the match committee played him over others more deserving on several occasions trying to get him back into good form. He just didn't produce and did not deserve a GF spot.

If he'd tried to tag Mitchell in that kind of form he'd have been slaughtered.

 

[2006_Eagles]

It's not the worst someone's been ripped off under free agency though.

25 for Melksham

Vomit inducing

Oh wait, that wasn't FA but still

 

[Bender_]

Hey well here is a big congratulations to all of the people on here that have been saying that Scooter isn't going to be part of our best #22 next year. There were even some idiots that have been saying he's only worth a 3rd round pick.

So leaving him out of the GF was clearly a part of an incredible strategy of leaving a fit VC with 130+ games player as an emergency.

You cashed up bogans in WA got what you wanted! Scooter our ex Vice Captain has been traded for a pittance #35 to 40.

WC not matching is ludicrous.

I'm glad he is going to a club where if he is fit he will play every game next year.

He wanted to go mate, not sure what the problem is.

 

[Spider Klein]

The AFL can't value players based on "potential"...

Josh Caddy was valued on potential. Has shown far less than Scooter

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I'm actually really impressed that Nisbett's fussing up a stink here. Who can remember the last time he went at the AFL?

 

[SSV_]

I'm actually really impressed that Nisbett's fussing up a stink here. Who can remember the last time he went at the AFL?

I have a suspicion that this is not just about the Selwood compensation. He could have complained in private but going public forces there to be a debate about the parameters set by the for the FA compo and whether or not there should be any compensation (there shouldn't, that's not the point of FA) in the hopes of changing the system.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I have a suspicion that this is not just about the Selwood compensation. He could have complained in private but going public forces there to be a debate about the parameters set by the for the FA compo and whether or not there should be any compensation (there shouldn't, that's not the point of FA) in the hopes of changing the system.

Pity he didn't fuss a public stink about the jumper issue a few years back.

 

[Smeg Head]

I'm actually really impressed that Nisbett's fussing up a stink here. Who can remember the last time he went at the AFL?

We haven't since the Cousins enquiry, we have bent over at every opportunity which has been ****ing frustrating as a fan.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Couldn't care less. He got what he wanted and so did everyone here who wanted him gone, but of course when it came time to sell he was worth a king's ransom again?

37 can be a much better player if we pick someone to play in our system.

 

[Monocle]

Couldn't care less. He got what he wanted and so did everyone here who wanted him gone, but of course when it came time to sell he was worth a king's ransom again?

37 can be a much better player if we pick someone to play in our system.

If the recruiters do their home work pick # 37 can yield a very good player Just a reminder that one Mr Mark Le Cras was taken with that very same pick # 37 in 2004 ..........shit we even got Embley for # 57 in 1998.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

Classic buy high, sell low! We lost him at the exact lowest value of his career.

is it better to lose someone playing like a gun (eg: Judd) and get plenty in return for a trade, or "lose" someone like Selwood and get bugger all.
Selwood was depth at best IMO.

 

[Godfather32]

A GF changes the way the team plays. We saw that with the WC team. I disagree with you, a tag on Mitchell had the ability change the entire momentum of the game. My opinion is that Mitchell needed the tag.

As he didn't play it is speculation either way. But leaving out your VC when he is fit is a perilous move.

Remember that in 2006 they brought back Wirrapunda for the 2006 GF and gave the side age and experience over a player that had significant time on the field that year.

Are you Selwood's Nanna or something? We didn't leave our vice captain out, we left out a player who was unfit, in seriously poor form, had a foot out the door for most of the season and doesn't suit our game plan anymore, the fact that he was our vice captain doesn't wipe out any of the reasons we didn't play him. Did you actually watch any of the games this year? He was absolutely awful in nearly all of them.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

so a chronically injured player (by your admission) is worth a first rounder?
what should've the hawks received for ellis?

with all due respect you're in danger of sounding like the fanboy.

anyone can see the system is flawed, but it is what it is.

Chris Judd 2007.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Anyone thinking he is worth a first rounder is simply wrong, if he was worth that he would have played in the grand final

Sigh. Three types of people don't think he's worth a first rounder. Those who don't support WC, have short memories and a lack of vision.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

You're confusing me. Are you saying we're recruiting depth too?

Doesn't any mature player increase depth?

So you'd rather have present-day Selwood than present-day Wellingham?

Did you just start watching football? Wellingham has been a disappointment until the back half of this year. Certainly never fulfilled the role he was recruited for. So while his production playing as a defender has been commendable, it's not enough to compensate for his failings as a midfielder. He's worth a pick in the mid 20's. Wellingham isn't worth pick 17 and hasn't justified that trade.

You could argue convincingly so that Selwood on his form while injured isn't worth pick 18. But that's a moot point because ultimately you're getting Selwood with the bad and the good. People on here are attributing values to players based on snap shots. No one does that in the entire league and when the sum of the total is added up Selwood should have more inherit value than Wellingham, even now.

 

[eagles rule]

A GF changes the way the team plays. We saw that with the WC team. I disagree with you, a tag on Mitchell had the ability change the entire momentum of the game. My opinion is that Mitchell needed the tag.

As he didn't play it is speculation either way. But leaving out your VC when he is fit is a perilous move.

Remember that in 2006 they brought back Wirrapunda for the 2006 GF and gave the side age and experience over a player that had significant time on the field that year.

I agree , I thought Selwood would have at least been competitive if he had played but I do suspect it was because they knew he was leaving and wasn`t going to be in the team moving fwd .Sort of like if you don`t want to play with us then F-off .