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Analysis Scott Selwood Debate
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Bye Scott. Wanted something to remember you by so went back to page 16 on this thread - the Richmond game. What a game you played. Geelong fans I highly recommend going back and reading it!
Look forward to you actually kicking to eagles players next time we meet.
Look forward to you actually kicking to eagles players next time we meet.
I thought he was given a big fat contract and they traded for him?
Ah, the old 'I watch more football than you' argument. Never change, BigFooty.
You're underrating Wellingham's contribution to Collingwood. He wasn't their best but he was a good contributor in what was one of the best midfields in the league at the time. He lost a lot of his value in his first two years with us where he was dead average, but he's shown this season what he's capable of. Call him a 'bit flanker' (whatever that means) all you want, but most people here have him comfortably among our top 10 this year.
If Selwood had been traded around the same time as Wellingham, you could certainly argue he'd be worth the same - or even more - than Wellers. But in my view - and the view of many others - he hasn't done enough over the past two seasons to justify a first-round pick, and that's not just because of injuries.
The free agency compensation system is flawed and should be changed but that doesn't mean we should inflate Selwood's worth. He hasn't played at his best in a long while and his ankle issues mean he might never reach those heights again. The club's fake outrage over Scooter's compo - which they had to know was not actually going to be in the first-round - is a bit embarassing to be honest.
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Do you think a 25 year old Selwood is worth less/the same as a 28 year old Colin Sylvia?
No, but I also think Buddy Franklin was worth more than pick 19. Read my post. I'm not defending free agency compensation, I'm saying it's stupid for the club to complain about it when they knew what they were getting.
Hi guys, I honestly have zero idea as to what Selwood is even worth.
And I have no idea if he will help us.
But surely the afl have to come up with their own compensation panel.
I.e. Yes you had a great year. But what was your year like last year? What will it be next year?
(Could be another port Adelaide) not being an arse, it just could.
So I think it should work like this.
Panel looks at buddy compo according to the formula.
"Ok the Hawks are good, but come on buddy isn't worth pick 19. Let's move it to ten"
Frawley" demons are crap, but Frawley is not worth 3, let's slide it to 10"
Selwood "Eagles had a good year but the past couple weren't. He's not worth top 20, but he's not worth 40 either. Let's slide it to 28"
And MOST importantly, let the damn clubs know the compo before they decide not to match.
It's not rocket science.
And I have no idea if he will help us.
But surely the afl have to come up with their own compensation panel.
I.e. Yes you had a great year. But what was your year like last year? What will it be next year?
(Could be another port Adelaide) not being an arse, it just could.
So I think it should work like this.
Panel looks at buddy compo according to the formula.
"Ok the Hawks are good, but come on buddy isn't worth pick 19. Let's move it to ten"
Frawley" demons are crap, but Frawley is not worth 3, let's slide it to 10"
Selwood "Eagles had a good year but the past couple weren't. He's not worth top 20, but he's not worth 40 either. Let's slide it to 28"
And MOST importantly, let the damn clubs know the compo before they decide not to match.
It's not rocket science.
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It's all relative to our own team performance in 2015.
We finished 2nd, the pick is 37, everyone is up in arms.
We finish last, the pick would be 20, we giggle and run off like bandits.
Nobody but ourselves and our strong season to blame here. Selwood isn't best 22. 37 is probably right.
We finished 2nd, the pick is 37, everyone is up in arms.
We finish last, the pick would be 20, we giggle and run off like bandits.
Nobody but ourselves and our strong season to blame here. Selwood isn't best 22. 37 is probably right.
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The AFL is quite unapologetic that it is an equalisation measure.
In other words they don't care what the player is 'worth'.
Stop making so much sense.
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Sheesh, at least we won't have to put up with him missing set shots from 15m out now, that's Geelongs problem.
Bottom line is he stank and was playing for EP for most of the year, stop living in the past. The compo is a joke, but so is Selwoods recent performances.
Bottom line is he stank and was playing for EP for most of the year, stop living in the past. The compo is a joke, but so is Selwoods recent performances.
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We are mostly all thinking Scott is a crab and we are glad to get rid of him...anyone actually thinking he has played average this year to lower his value to help out Geelong? I mean, the guy was our champion in 2012 and he is, age wise, in the prime of his footy career. The way he played in the games he played this year, NO team would want him, which leads me to think something is suspect.
Would not surprise me if he tore it up at Geelong next year.
Would not surprise me if he tore it up at Geelong next year.
The range from 20 to 37 is too big based on after second round pick compensation. I think players should be valued and the picks be either valued as mid round between finalist and non finalist or end of round. So Band 1 Buddy and anyone similar to Buddy would get pick 11 and always be the same for every club (after non finalist teams). The next level is pick 19 then pick 29 etc. Or however the pick numbers work with picks pushing them back. That way all teams are compensated equally for whatever their player is deemed worthy.
I disagree. You can know what you're likely going to get from the system and still complain that it is unjust. They're two separate points. We've consistently disparaged the compensation system, so it doesn't surprise me that we're doing it again.
He played far more for us than for East Perth this year. About 3 times as much from memory (maybe 12 games vs 4?).
Well, the stupid system having the bands alternating between being picks based on finishing position and being not based on finishing position is to blame. The compensation system has a bob each way about also being an equalisation system, which is stupid.
I think the issue is this is even more subjective. For me the simple fix is removing the linkage of the bands to finishing position. This fixes almost all the complaints about the system.
I suspect the bluster from Nisbett is actually aimed at a different audience, namely the knitting nannas (who nevertheless loyally pay their membership fee every year). He's just trying to convince them that above all else we love our players rather than make hard headed football decisions.
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Was Scooter worth a first round pick? No.
Was he worth more than pick 37? Yes.
Nisbett gives AFL house a whack and the silence coming from the docklands the next day is unheard of.
Usually when a CEO or President directly remarks negatively about the AFL we see a response of some sort, they must all be on holiday to let that one slip through.
It's what i expect from the AFL anyway.
They use trade radio to retort by choosing only negative comments off of twitter to justify their decision.
Pretty classless.
Since 2000 this is the coalition of premierships.
Hawthorn 4
Brisbane Lions 3
Geelong Cats 3
Sydney Swans 2
Essendon 1
Collingwood 1
Port Adelaide 1
West Coast 1
It's all about equalization you see.
I'm sick of academies, cola, draft concessions and bullshit compo tied to where you finished.
Same rules for all please, thanks.
Was he worth more than pick 37? Yes.
Nisbett gives AFL house a whack and the silence coming from the docklands the next day is unheard of.
Usually when a CEO or President directly remarks negatively about the AFL we see a response of some sort, they must all be on holiday to let that one slip through.
It's what i expect from the AFL anyway.
They use trade radio to retort by choosing only negative comments off of twitter to justify their decision.
Pretty classless.
Since 2000 this is the coalition of premierships.
Hawthorn 4
Brisbane Lions 3
Geelong Cats 3
Sydney Swans 2
Essendon 1
Collingwood 1
Port Adelaide 1
West Coast 1
It's all about equalization you see.
I'm sick of academies, cola, draft concessions and bullshit compo tied to where you finished.
Same rules for all please, thanks.
There has to be a link somewhere.
Melbourne can't keep spending life on the bottom of the ladder, losing players, and getting zero.
I just think common sense could be used.
I think Geelong would be smart to play him purely as an inside midfielder where he rarely kicks and feeds the ball out. Will take stress off his ankles and prolong his career. Unfortunately Priddis already has that role for us.
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Selwood is a spud I would take pick 37 over keeping Selwood in a heartbeat . As someone mentioned before page 16 of this thread the Richmond game sums up almost every game he played in my eyes .
I don't think there does need to be a link. The equalisation occurs through the regular draft pick. This system should be based on the worth of the player leaving alone. This is how it works in every other league that has a compensation pick.
If Melbourne wants to not be on the bottom, maybe don't draft shit players?
It's unfair on other shit clubs who finish towards the bottom that Melbourne gets an extra pick before them because they choose to let players like Frawley leave. And it's stupid for the AFL to have a system that encourages clubs like Melbourne, Brisbane and Carlton to jettison their good players for extra free picks. It just further increases their time down the bottom, rather than assists them getting back up the top quickly. They are further hampered as they can't spend their free cash on other free agents, lest they lose their compensation picks.
Yes, this is likely his best position. Unfortunately I think they already have a Selwood in that role?
