Scott Welsh leaving

[WheresGroomgone]

I love SWelsh as a player, in a nonsexual appreciative type of way, however I believe the club was almost forced into this decision and it was only a matter of time, before he left the club and this way will have a lot less publicity and is more positive for all involved.

 

[macca23]

Re: Welsh gone

Probably true, but of course I am only human arent I?

In the short term, we would have been better off seeing the back of Welsh if we could have gotten something-anything for him. As it is, losing him for nothing, we are obviously worse off in terms of on-field. Regarding club culture, who is to say but my overriding feeling is that we're better off without Scotty in that respect.
Long term we are better off without him because it allows someone else to have a crack.

Re Kenny I think we are better off both in the short and long term with him in the side. Short term he offers a real option up forward to kick 40-50 goals when fit, with the flexibility to go down back and play well on a KP forward. Its obvious that the past year or so, McGregor has struggled with injuries so long term he's only going to get better.

Like your post, as you've replaced emotion with logic.

Just on Kenny, he's struggled with injuries in the past couple of years - particularly Achilles strains. Hopefully we'll see a fit Kenny front this year.

He's not likely to kick much more than 30 to 40 goals himself if he plays a full year at FF, but one thing I will guarantee you, he will stand tall and strong in the packs and make a fierce contest which gives us another crack at it - if we had a legitmate crumber.

Also the story that there were no offers for Kenny by other clubs is crap. Two other clubs were extremely interested in him which is why when he went to discuss his situation with the Crows they whipped out a 2 year contract quick smart.

The events with Welsh in recent times only demonstrate which player the club valued as a person and player the most to help them through this re-building process.

Don't sell Kenny short.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Re: Welsh gone

Like your post, as you've replaced emotion with logic.

Just on Kenny, he's struggled with injuries in the past couple of years - particularly Achilles strains. Hopefully we'll see a fit Kenny front this year.

He's not likely to kick much more than 30 to 40 goals himself if he plays a full year at FF, but one thing I will guarantee you, he will stand tall and strong in the packs and make a fierce contest

Don't sell Kenny short.

You keep hold of that lilly Macca ........ever the optimist

Stand tall heh? ..........pretty much like a stoby pole

Cmon ......even Stiffy has now conceded to what i was saying two years ago ......it won't hurt

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: Welsh gone

Cmon ......even Stiffy has now conceded to what i was saying two years ago ......it won't hurt

1. I can't see that he has.
2. that doesn't make you right back then either. by your twisted and very bias logic, you could argue that Nigel Smart was the worst player ever, and then at the during his last season jump up and down, yelling how you'd been right all this time.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Scott Welsh leaving?

This has been said a few times now, anyone got any proof?

Do we need to draw it for you?!

Why else did they make the promise verbally but were not prepared to put that same promise in the contract?! And don't tell me its difficult to put those in the contract because thats one of the biggest loads of crap. I happen to have a friend who specialises in contract law and even he can't stop laughing at those remarks!

Scott would have been 30 for 2009 season. Anyone who turns 30, is out of contract and is not 1st tier player, they are not wanted at Adelaide and that is a fact. Just look at whats been happening at the club in recent times.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Re: Welsh gone

Like your post, as you've replaced emotion with logic.

Just on Kenny, he's struggled with injuries in the past couple of years - particularly Achilles strains. Hopefully we'll see a fit Kenny front this year.

He's not likely to kick much more than 30 to 40 goals himself if he plays a full year at FF, but one thing I will guarantee you, he will stand tall and strong in the packs and make a fierce contest which gives us another crack at it - if we had a legitmate crumber.

Also the story that there were no offers for Kenny by other clubs is crap. Two other clubs were extremely interested in him which is why when he went to discuss his situation with the Crows they whipped out a 2 year contract quick smart.

The events with Welsh in recent times only demonstrate which player the club valued as a person and player the most to help them through this re-building process.

Don't sell Kenny short.

About time someone said it. Sick to death of people bagging Kenny. I will put my left one on it Kenny will kick 40 plus with a whole year up forward. He is a good club man and is young enough to potentially be in our next premiership side!

 

[Farmy]

Kenny is a champion and we would all be very lucky to be more like Kenny.

 

[crowman_23]

Re: Scott Welsh leaving?

Im sorry, I'll admit that there is some truth in most of what you have said, and in what stiffy is saying, but as for the part in bold, are you serious? If so are you on drugs?

Haha, obviously Kenny has more flexibility in the ability to go back, but we have more than enough capable tall backs, we don't need him there. In terms of playing forward I believe Welsh has a lot more flexibility there. I still believe Welsh can play any position, probably except CHF, in the forward line, whwew personally I only see Kenny as a FF. He has no mobility, can't kick over 40m for a set shot and really doesn't offer much anymore.

Yes he has the ability to go back but even then I don't seem him playing that well there anymore. We already have Rutten, Bassett, Bock and Stevens who IMO are all better back than Kenny. With Ken going back NC would just move Bock forward and soon we will have another Marty Mattner on our hands. IMO Ken will spend most of the season in the SANFL and probably shouldn't have been retained on our list, certainly not signed up for multiple seasons when that is the major reason why we have lost a bloke like Welsh.

 

[crowman_23]

Re: Welsh gone

About time someone said it. Sick to death of people bagging Kenny. I will put my left one on it Kenny will kick 40 plus with a whole year up forward. He is a good club man and is young enough to potentially be in our next premiership side!

A good club man? Yes great club man. In our next premiership side? No way.

Unfortunately for Kenny I think the game is just passing him, very similar to Lance Whitnall. Yes he's served us well, he's popular with the fans and still isn't too old, but the best decision for the club IMO would have been to move him on. We've made many other tough decisions this off-season, parting ways with McGregor would have been one I did before many others.

 

[marvin]

When you consider that McGregor's best ever season (2005) resulted in only 31 goals, only twice has he kicked more than 20 (21 in 2006), it's asking a fair bit to expect him to become a 40-50 goal forward.

Not as excessive as all that. In 2005 he didn't go forward till the Round 9 match with St Kilda, and spent the early part of 2006 in defence as well. He's never played a full season as a forward.

While the midfields aren't comparable, it bears consideration that Cam Mooney's career best in goals was 28 before this year, and he'd only topped 20 one other time. This year he booted 67 goals.

50 goals from Kenny is optimistic. 40 goals is in reach.

It's safe to say that we're losing a reasonable ammount of our forward firepower. McGregor will not, and is not capable of, kicking the number of goals Welsh does in an average season.

Perhaps not, because he's not as devastating on the lead as Welsh. But Kenny's more likely to provide the sort of contest that brings a small forward in to the game, so more goals may be indirectly created.

He's also far less likely to mail it in in the first year of a 2 year contract, isn't allergic to white shorts, and won't drop his bundle if it isn't working for him.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Re: Welsh gone

A good club man? Yes great club man. In our next premiership side? No way.

Unfortunately for Kenny I think the game is just passing him, very similar to Lance Whitnall. Yes he's served us well, he's popular with the fans and still isn't too old, but the best decision for the club IMO would have been to move him on. We've made many other tough decisions this off-season, parting ways with McGregor would have been one I did before many others.

Time will tell. By round 15 next year Im sure one of us will bring out our quotes from the archives. I reckon with a set position and confidence from the coaching staff Kenny can be bloody good..And will be good for at least another 4 or 5 years... Big strong blokes take longer, Mooney, Lade etc...

 

[Vader]

Perhaps not, because he's not as devastating on the lead as Welsh. But Kenny's more likely to provide the sort of contest that brings a small forward in to the game, so more goals may be indirectly created.

If only we had some small forwards

 

[NikkiNoo]

If only we had some small forwards

We have one, but he thinks he should be the marking forward

plus his knees were dodgy this past year and it affected his kicking and not to mention his mobility....

 

[- PC -]

Re: Scott Welsh leaving?

Do we need to draw it for you?!

Why else did they make the promise verbally but were not prepared to put that same promise in the contract?! And don't tell me its difficult to put those in the contract because thats one of the biggest loads of crap. I happen to have a friend who specialises in contract law and even he can't stop laughing at those remarks!

Scott would have been 30 for 2009 season. Anyone who turns 30, is out of contract and is not 1st tier player, they are not wanted at Adelaide and that is a fact. Just look at whats been happening at the club in recent times.

So who set the KPIs? This is what I would have set

For Scott Welsh to be given another contract he must kick 60 goals and play 19 games and also attend 95% of club sanctioned functions.

I do agree the verbal bs should be laughed at. I find it amusing that it seems the club let the manager set the KPIs...if they really didnt want Welsh how easy would it have been to set the KPIs a little high?

 

[MrsWelsh]

Re: Welsh gone

About time someone said it. Sick to death of people bagging Kenny. I will put my left one on it Kenny will kick 40 plus with a whole year up forward. He is a good club man and is young enough to potentially be in our next premiership side!

I totally agree! but unfortunately i dont have a left one, unless your talkin about bewbies!

 

[hey shorty]

The problem for Kenny next year is that he will take the biggest and best defender, which he has never done before. If he can kick 40+ goals next year that would be great but I dont expect him to. Our forward line will struggle big time next year without Welshy whether we want to admit it or not. Walker nor Hentschel should be expected to do a great deal and Tippett or Sellar will play bit parts. The only guy who could possibly make a difference is the Birdman, and I expect him to play the season in the forwardlines. I think Kenny will be a great contributor but I see him as a guy with no great strengths or weaknesses. He wont stand out and win us a game but he will never be the worst bloke on the ground.

 

[Cap]

and lets now forget a certain 4 year veteran of the crows......

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Scott Welsh leaving?

So who set the KPIs? This is what I would have set

For Scott Welsh to be given another contract he must kick 60 goals and play 19 games and also attend 95% of club sanctioned functions.

I do agree the verbal bs should be laughed at. I find it amusing that it seems the club let the manager set the KPIs...if they really didnt want Welsh how easy would it have been to set the KPIs a little high?

My understanding is that the KPIs were set by the club "verbally" and Welsh was happy with those but wanted them included in the contract which the club didn't want to do.

I think this one has been handled very poorly by the club. Not a huge deal that Welshy is gone but the way it happened hasn't been good.

 

[Stiffy_18]

The problem for Kenny next year is that he will take the biggest and best defender, which he has never done before. If he can kick 40+ goals next year that would be great but I dont expect him to. Our forward line will struggle big time next year without Welshy whether we want to admit it or not. Walker nor Hentschel should be expected to do a great deal and Tippett or Sellar will play bit parts. The only guy who could possibly make a difference is the Birdman, and I expect him to play the season in the forwardlines. I think Kenny will be a great contributor but I see him as a guy with no great strengths or weaknesses. He wont stand out and win us a game but he will never be the worst bloke on the ground.

I wouldn't say Kenny doesn't have great strengths. I think this 2 biggest strengths are his aerobic capacity for a big lad and overhead, contested marking. Pound for pound the best contested mark in our team. Now I haven't seen enough of Tippett and the likes to judge their marking but from the players that we have seen a bit of, Kenny is the best contested mark in the squad.

 

[Stiffy_18]

and lets now forget a certain 4 year veteran of the crows......

I think next year is the year where two of us either have eggs on our faces or have a grin from ear to ear with regard to that young gentleman

 

[- PC -]

Re: Scott Welsh leaving?

My understanding is that the KPIs were set by the club "verbally" and Welsh was happy with those but wanted them included in the contract which the club didn't want to do.

I think this one has been handled very poorly by the club. Not a huge deal that Welshy is gone but the way it happened hasn't been good.

If thats the case then yes it has been handled poorly

 

[PCORF]

Well this is the price our club is always going to pay and it has to understand that if a player wants 2 years they've got to give him 2 years. This is not right, its the club's fault and it has been beating itself up for way too long. I'm upset and I sometimes feel like barracking for another side because I know we might not be going anywhere for a long time. Just want this 2007 nightmare to end soon.

 

[James23]

Well this is the price our club is always going to pay and it has to understand that if a player wants 2 years they've got to give him 2 years. This is not right, its the club's fault and it has been beating itself up for way too long. I'm upset and I sometimes feel like barracking for another side because I know we might not be going anywhere for a long time. Just want this 2007 nightmare to end soon.

u sound like a broken record.. quit your b*tching and find someone else!

 

[Mego Red]

Re: Scott Welsh leaving?

My understanding is that the KPIs were set by the club "verbally" and Welsh was happy with those but wanted them included in the contract which the club didn't want to do.

I think this one has been handled very poorly by the club. Not a huge deal that Welshy is gone but the way it happened hasn't been good.

That wasn't how it sounded when Reidy spoke. It seemed that there wasn't agreement on the KPI's, and the club felt that it wasn't appropriate to put list them in writing.

Realistically, there was almost no chance, no matter what he did, that Welsh would have been brought back in 2009. With the club's youth movement and his off-field indiscretions, he had burnt his bridges.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Well this is the price our club is always going to pay and it has to understand that if a player wants 2 years they've got to give him 2 years. This is not right, its the club's fault and it has been beating itself up for way too long. I'm upset and I sometimes feel like barracking for another side because I know we might not be going anywhere for a long time. Just want this 2007 nightmare to end soon.

One of the crappiest things I have read. Feel free to change teams, we dont need supporters like you, infact you arent a supporter you are a mere follower. Go for Geelong next year, they will be strong.