Scott Wynd is embarrassed....so am I

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Scott Wynd said this in the Age about the flack Brad has copped from our own supporters on radio.

''I'm embarrassed by what I'm hearing on the radio from a lot of our supporters,'' he said. ''It is disrespectful. To criticise this man not knowing what he's gone through and not knowing the roles he's had to play with regard to the structures set up by the coaching staff, knowing what he's given to our club for the last 17 years, I'm just embarrassed.

If he got on to Big Footy he'd be staggered I think. First time in my life I'm ashamed of some of my fellow Bulldogs "supporters". You know guys know who you are. It was bad enough that the ferrals from Collingwood disrespected Brad on Saturday night and again on radio and on here. But our own? In public forums like this and the radio? Have people forgotten how many games Brad has won for us? What a champion of the game he has been and what great bloke off the field he is? What has Brad done to deserve this? Never seen anything like it before...at the dogs or any other club and frankly it's made me feel sick.
 

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Again, someone saying he should play because of 'what he's done' - I think we should adopt the policy of playing guys based on 'what they'll do' this week. He shouldn't get a gig because he's done good by the team and played out of position over his career. That's just rubbish.
 

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I am with Scott anyone Bulldog that bags Johno is a dill. He so many credits in the bank for this club it is not funny. I am backing Johno in to kick a couple of crucial goals and the dogs to get in a close one.

I will bet all the big footy bulldogs supporters bagging Johno WILL CRAWL BEHIND A ROCK.
 

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I'm embarrassed too.

And for those who are saying it should be based on current form, 3/4 of the side would have to be dropped along with him. He certainly wasn't the worst on Sat.

I don't know what's happening with our 'supporters' at the moment. I mean, we're all disappointed sure, but it's not like there isn't a reason for the way we're playing at the moment - injuries!

And after posting last week about making some noise, a woman behind me (bulldog supporter) told me to sit down when I stood up for 5 seconds to yell at the umpire in the 2nd quarter. For Pete's sake - go watch chess or something.
 

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I remember a time, not that long ago that I stood in the stands in awe of Brad Johnson. That fuzzy feeling you get when you witness somebody playing in a league of there own. At one point he ran up the ground and took a mark 70 meters out and looked up to pass it to somebody, nobody in our fwd line was presenting or capable of taking a mark and the guy behind me yelled 'It's not Johno's fault that he can't kick it to Johno'.

If only we had more Brad Johnsons.
 
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It's been an over-reaction. I was discussing this earlier in the week and I could name as many as 10 of our players on Saturday night who were worse than Johnno... and Johnno was definitely shit that night.

Look, I still think he's been grossly mis-managed this year and he definitely shouldn't have played against Collingwood (and shouldn't really play this week, either), but shouldn't the blame lay at Eade's feet, not Johnno's?
 

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Again, someone saying he should play because of 'what he's done' - I think we should adopt the policy of playing guys based on 'what they'll do' this week. He shouldn't get a gig because he's done good by the team and played out of position over his career. That's just rubbish.
He should get a gig because he has more ability left in his left nut than any of his potential replacements have or will ever find.

Of course he can't turn a game on its head anymore, however that is not his role. When Johhno plays he takes one of their better defenders. He gives a contest every time he goes near it, and he now brings others into the game.

Stop being one eyed and understand his role - it is not to be a match winner - it is a cog in a bigger unit.
 
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good post, and i can't believe it's taken the announcement of his retirement for people to finally realise how disgraceful they are being. and what's worse is people don't even form their own opinion, they just ride off the shit that other people say and decide to believe it. the media have made it so much worse.
 
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Again, someone saying he should play because of 'what he's done' - I think we should adopt the policy of playing guys based on 'what they'll do' this week. He shouldn't get a gig because he's done good by the team and played out of position over his career. That's just rubbish.

This is nothing to with the argument of whether Brad Johnson should be in the team or not. Anyone should be able to express an opinion on team selection from Johnson to Andy Hooper. But this is about the way people have attacked Brad as a person and a footballer in public forums and the lack of respect for the man. The amount of hatred out there is what i'm embarrassed about. This is not about his current value or not to the team it's about respect to one of our all time greats. We surely can mount and argument one way or the other without degrading the man and our club.

Do you understand the difference here?....does anyone?
 

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This is nothing to with the argument of whether Brad Johnson should be in the team or not. Anyone should be able to express an opinion on team selection from Johnson to Andy Hooper. But this is about the way people have attacked Brad as a person and a footballer in public forums and the lack of respect for the man. The amount of hatred out there is what i'm embarrassed about. This is not about his current value or not to the team it's about respect to one of our all time greats. We surely can mount and argument one way or the other without degrading the man and our club.

Do you understand the difference here?....does anyone?
Agree 100% with you. I feel like we have morphed into Richmond. Sad and embarrassing.
 

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I cannot believe how some people have treated a champion of the game and of our club. He has done nothing to deserve the criticism but want to play and give 110%. I agree that seeing hin play with injuries is not an outocme any of us think is acceptable but he only wants to play for the Dogs.

I know he will do us and himself proud. Good luck Johnno.
 

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This is nothing to with the argument of whether Brad Johnson should be in the team or not. Anyone should be able to express an opinion on team selection from Johnson to Andy Hooper. But this is about the way people have attacked Brad as a person and a footballer in public forums and the lack of respect for the man. The amount of hatred out there is what i'm embarrassed about. This is not about his current value or not to the team it's about respect to one of our all time greats. We surely can mount and argument one way or the other without degrading the man and our club.

Do you understand the difference here?....does anyone?
Would have though virtually everyone would understand the diff between saying whether he should play and disrespecting the guy. I don't think there are many attacking him as a person. On the other hand you need to make it clear who you are disappointed with, whether you include everyone who thinks he is great but shouldn't play.
Assuming they have decided Johnno is going to play, I say forget about debating it and just support him.
 
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Would have though virtually everyone would understand the diff between saying whether he should play and disrespecting the guy. I don't think there are many attacking him as a person. On the other hand you need to make it clear who you are disappointed with, whether you include everyone who thinks he is great but shouldn't play.
Assuming they have decided Johnno is going to play, I say forget about debating it and just support him.
Well clearly people don't. Anyway I'm done with it now, had my say and I can't add anymore to it. Time to look forward to triple header Saturday!
 

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In fact, don't even come to the game on Saturday night.
I think many have taken your advice. Ticketek is still offering seats in the same areas as it did on Monday morning. The game is just not selling, could be very embarassing.

Should have played it at Etihad (or Whitten Oval).
 

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I love Bj for the man he is and what he has done at our club and I thank him for that.

I do not think he should have been made captain this year.
I do not think is in our best 22.
I do not think he should be playing this week.

That isn't disrespecting the guy or kicking him when he is down, its just my honest assessment of where he is at at this stage of his career.
 

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I love Bj for the man he is and what he has done at our club and I thank him for that.

I do not think he should have been made captain this year.
I do not think is in our best 22.
I do not think he should be playing this week.

That isn't disrespecting the guy or kicking him when he is down, its just my honest assessment of where he is at at this stage of his career.
Were you saying this at the end of last year when he came 4th in our best and fairest and second in our goal-kicking because that was when the decision was made.

And who in your opinion should be playing ahead of him?
 

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I'm not emabarassed by saying earlier in the week that I had hoped Brad may have retired during the week.

Go back to Ted Whitten, and a dozen times since, we've had to face this sort of scenario, it's part of the game, it's part of being a club, it happens, it's never easy for anyone.

If Johnno and Eade have sat down and worked out that he can see out the season, and be a contributor, and continue to provide on-field leadership, then fine, I respect that.

What I wouldn't respect is if they have decided this on anything other than the basic principle of winning a finals game. The game is still there to be won (as is the next one agaisnt St Kilda) - and that must be the priority.

As for being in the best 22 - to be honest, if Johnno is fit, I have no doubt he is in the best 22 - so if he's fit, if Johnno feels can get through the next two or three games - so be it - as long as Johnno and Eade have been honest with each other and with the rest of the playing group.
 
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To Wynd and everyone else saying we should feel embarrassed you’re missing the big picture.
Our club culture is wrong. We hang on to players for too long. Our coaching staff is too close to its players. Johnsons body is clearly failing him and has been all year.
Last year Johnson could outrun, outmark, and beat his opponent. This year he can’t and its down to his body caving in. He has pride and wants to finish on a good note. I hope he does well this week. Yet really he should have retired weeks ago.
Our club has a history of this.
Darcy said the passion is gone and I will retire at the end of the year. Should have left that day!
Libba, great player stayed 1 year to long. The list could go on and on.
There is no way Higgins should have played. Again player power.
Individual success the bulldogs have, most Brownlow’s, most 300 game players. Yet team success we don’t have.
 
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To Wynd and everyone else saying we should feel embarrassed you’re missing the big picture.
Our club culture is wrong. We hang on to players for too long. Our coaching staff is too close to its players. Johnsons body is clearly failing him and has been all year.
Last year Johnson could outrun, outmark, and beat his opponent. This year he can’t and its down to his body caving in. He has pride and wants to finish on a good note. I hope he does well this week. Yet really he should have retired weeks ago.
Our club has a history of this.
Darcy said the passion is gone and I will retire at the end of the year. Should have left that day!
Libba, great player stayed 1 year to long. The list could go on and on.
There is no way Higgins should have played. Again player power.
Individual success the bulldogs have, most Brownlow’s, most 300 game players. Yet team success we don’t have.
That was a great post.

I don't think Wynd has really though this through. Has any WB fan said they don't think Johnno is a champion of the game?

Everyone's point is that he is clearly hampered by injury, and this soft as ****ing butter approach that the club takes to naming the 22 is costing us.

Personally, I would rather see Hooper take Johnno's place in the team because I don't think Johnno will get through the match. This opinion is based on the evidence of almost every game Johnson has played this year, nothing else.

There is no malice towards Johnson, but there is frustration that he keeps putting his hand up for selection when he's not right, and that Eade keeps picking him based surely on club reputation, and nothing on his displayed ability to beat this injury.

We are 3 straight wins off a premiership - this position should not be taken lightly and used as a feel-good farewell scenario.

We need to harden the **** up.
 

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you cant expect a champion player to stand down in his last year when he is captain and wasn't even the worse player the game before.

some players are actually very lucky Johnno has taken the attention away from how embarassing a quarter of the team was.

also can anyone who was at the ground give a fair indication of weather it was bulldog or collingwood supporters who gave him the bronx cheers in the last quarter?

hang your head in shame if it was any of you :mad:
 

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you cant expect a champion player to stand down in his last year when he is captain and wasn't even the worse player the game before.

some players are actually very lucky Johnno has taken the attention away from how embarassing a quarter of the team was.

also can anyone who was at the ground give a fair indication of weather it was bulldog or collingwood supporters who gave him the bronx cheers in the last quarter?

hang your head in shame if it was any of you :mad:
If he's not fit, he shouldn't play. If he can't chase, he shouldn't play. If he can't execute the skills he needs, he shouldn't play.

If he's can, then play him. I think the thing is that last week he couldn't do the above. Just cause there were worse guys out there doesn't really make the decision to play him right. Guys have bad games. That happens and is unavoidable. Going in injured can be avoided... don't play.
 
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