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After the Indy Car test, what does the future hold at Team Penske?

Plenty of opportunities internationally, check the driving spots in 2020


With Roger having bought out the ownership of Indycars*, will he be keen to ramp up the series, providing an opportunity for wildcard drives, hello Scotty !!


*Penske Entertainment Corp, a subsidiary of Penske Corporation, will acquire all Hulman & Company principal operating assets. This includes the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the NTT IndyCar Series and IMS Productions. This acquisition by the Penske organisation will carry the future of the Speedway and the IndyCar Series forward for the next generation of racing fans.
 

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There may be opportunities for him in lower level nascar leading into the top class, or anything Penske does with sportscar GT racing. But I'd be shocked if there's a serious Indycar attempt. He won't be a serious contender in that.
 

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There may be opportunities for him in lower level nascar leading into the top class, or anything Penske does with sportscar GT racing. But I'd be shocked if there's a serious Indycar attempt. He won't be a serious contender in that.
Don't rate his talent/adaptability?
 

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He's been conditioned to really heavy, powerful cars for a very long time. That's not the right background for even more powerful single, and agile seaters. All the successful drivers in F1/single seaters, did not have a background on heavy and powerful sedans/GTs.

It's like with superbikes/MotoGP. Guys going from MotoGP to superbikes succeed. It doesn't happen the other way around.
 

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He's been conditioned to really heavy, powerful cars for a very long time. That's not the right background for even more powerful single, and agile seaters. All the successful drivers in F1/single seaters, did not have a background on heavy and powerful sedans/GTs.

It's like with superbikes/MotoGP. Guys going from MotoGP to superbikes succeed. It doesn't happen the other way around.
Lots of Superbike riders have succeeded in GPs.
 

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Lots of superbikes riders have succeeded in GP?

We're talking meaningful superbike records. Not just guys who had a few goes at it like Doohan.

Scott Russell - WSBK champ. Didn't generate the same success in GP.
Troy Corser - WSBK champ and thought he was up to it in GP. Got put off after one season. Nit up to it.
Colin Edwards - Double WSBK champ. Didn't win a GP despite riding for a line time with good teams.
Troy Bayliss - WSBK champ. Didn't generate the same success in GP. Went back to winning more WSBK titles.
James Toseland - WSBK champ. Didn't generate the same success in GP.
Ben Spies - AMA and WSBK champ. Didn't generate the same success in GP.

Then we look at rider going the other way.

Raymond Roche - No GP wins despite riding forever. Wins a WSBK in his second year.
John Kocinski - Good in GP over 4 seasons. Producing better results in WSBK, including winning the series.
Neil Hodgson - Hopless, but is a WSBK champ.
Max Biaggi - Didn't win a GP title. But wins 2 WSBK despite being past his peak.
Carlos Checa - The crash merchant never finsiehd in the top 3 despite riding for a long time with good teams/bikes.. Yet won a WSBK title.
Sylvain Guintoli - Unremarkable GP record. Goes on to win the WSBK.
Regis Laconi - 1 GP. Challenged to the WSBK title.
Ruben Xaus - 2nd in the WSBK. 1 podium in GP.
Carl Fogarty - 1 good race in GP. 4 WSBK titles.
Pierfrancesco Chili -1 freebie 500GP win. 17 WSBK wins.

Match that with prominent superbike riders that generated similar success in GP?

In car racing. Name one driver with a substantial touring car background (Even sportscars/GT) that went on to significant F1/Indycar success?
 

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Lots of superbikes riders have succeeded in GP?

We're talking meaningful superbike records. Not just guys who had a few goes at it like Doohan.

Scott Russell - WSBK champ. Didn't generate the same success in GP.
Troy Corser - WSBK champ and thought he was up to it in GP. Got put off after one season. Nit up to it.
Colin Edwards - Double WSBK champ. Didn't win a GP despite riding for a line time with good teams.
Troy Bayliss - WSBK champ. Didn't generate the same success in GP. Went back to winning more WSBK titles.
James Toseland - WSBK champ. Didn't generate the same success in GP.
Ben Spies - AMA and WSBK champ. Didn't generate the same success in GP.

Then we look at rider going the other way.

Raymond Roche - No GP wins despite riding forever. Wins a WSBK in his second year.
John Kocinski - Good in GP over 4 seasons. Producing better results in WSBK, including winning the series.
Neil Hodgson - Hopless, but is a WSBK champ.
Max Biaggi - Didn't win a GP title. But wins 2 WSBK despite being past his peak.
Carlos Checa - The crash merchant never finsiehd in the top 3 despite riding for a long time with good teams/bikes.. Yet won a WSBK title.
Sylvain Guintoli - Unremarkable GP record. Goes on to win the WSBK.
Regis Laconi - 1 GP. Challenged to the WSBK title.
Ruben Xaus - 2nd in the WSBK. 1 podium in GP.
Carl Fogarty - 1 good race in GP. 4 WSBK titles.
Pierfrancesco Chili -1 freebie 500GP win. 17 WSBK wins.

Match that with prominent superbike riders that generated similar success in GP?

In car racing. Name one driver with a substantial touring car background (Even sportscars/GT) that went on to significant F1/Indycar success?
Odd post. Diminished results because of a step up in class is not the same thing as an unsuccessful adaption.

Scott Russell only raced a single full season with 2 podiums and a 6th place title finish on a detuned Suzuki.
Corser only raced 7 races then bailed on his team that didn't pay him before they eventually went bust.
Edwards was a solid citizen rider, consistent top 5ish race finishes but lacked raw speed for race wins.
Toseland had a solid rookie campaign but then plateaued in his second year. Certainly no disgrace
Bayliss, Spies and Vermeulen all had a race win and multiple podiums.
Cal Crutchlow has multiple wins and podiums.
Nicky Hayden has multiple wins and podiums and a championship.
To say that superbikers can't adapt is an overstated fallacy.
And of course you've willingly ignored Crosby, Spencer, Lawson, Mamola, Gardner, Rainey, Schwantz, etc.

I've never followed car racing - especially open wheelers - enough to know anyone's background.

In terms of McLaughlin, I'm not saying he will or is capable of making the switch. Maybe he's too set in his ways to be able to adapt. All I know is after Rossi could get within 1 second of Schumacher's times after a few test sessions, I'm loathe to ever write off what people are able to achieve.
 

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In car racing. Name one driver with a substantial touring car background (Even sportscars/GT) that went on to significant F1/Indycar success?
Think you are spot on, Scotty would need to make a bit of 21st century history, but you couldnt get a better backer than Mr Penske if he is to get the opportunity.

Certainly a long time since Jack Brabham punted a Mustang in Europe, Jim Clark & Jackie Stewart in Cortinas (Frank Gardner).
Gerhard Berger was the last F1 driver (at Adelaide 1985) to punt a tourer* on the same program - he kicked off in an Alfasud, made F1 in 4 years via F3.
Tony Stewart has won in midgets, Nascar & Indy Car but started in karts.

Has Scotty had a ride in a sports car at Bathurst yet?

* the GrA BMW 635, the Bob Jane car still here in Aus, taken out by Harves in the HDT Commodore (I think), Dicks only win the Mustang?
 
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As a racing driver, I’m sure Scotty would be looking to challenge himself and take the next step. No matter the type of racing.
Indycar is better than supercar. NASCAR is better than supercar. F1 is the pinnacle.
If an opportunity comes to drive in any of these competitions, what would any driver do?
 

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Klyntonius has listed a bunch of riders, and given them excuses for not succeeding or overstated their record. Corser was deadest on making GP, and got put off in half a season. You don't get put off that easily, and was miles off Cadalora. Took the easy life in WSBK

I did not willingly ignore anybody, otherwise I would've used different wording. The common theme with most of those is that they're Americans. AMA racing was a higher level than WC level from the 60s to early 80s. But there more glory worldwide in the WC. Those Americans didn't dominant the WC by accident. Crosby didn't even win a race in 500.

There's no one with a touring car record of some length that's gone on to succeed in F1. Dario Franchitti became successful in Indycar after racing a couple of years in DTM. But raced lower level open wheelers and tested F1. McLaughlin has raced supercars for 10, and that's all he's done. There's nothing he'd have learnt to draw off. It's a huge disadvantage.
 

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