Strategy Season 2022- Defence
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I pondered in another thread if Jamaine Jones might be an option. With Willie back there is not an easily identified spot in the forward line for him. Jones has good pace, seems to be ok with body contact and has an outstanding ability to kick to leading players. Could he be worth a try?
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Weirdly, Rotham's skills also seem better when he takes the game on. It's usually the pointless chipping around the backline that he screws up somehow.
If he can get his body right it's worth a shot playing him up the ground. He has a lot of footy smarts. I'm hoping he gets another contract (would be crazy if he didn't).
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IMO Ryan is the one I would be looking at for a backline role, could see him taking his game from 1.5 goals per game to Andrew McLeod level.
Nobody in the team comes close to his run and kicking
Nobody in the team comes close to his run and kicking
Gov needs to pull his finger out or renegotiate his contract
Was actually thinking this myself. Bit of a left field call, but maybe he could be the Jetta replacement we need. It does feel a little like robbing Peter to pay Paul but with Jones and Rioli it could work. He definitely has the foot skills and dare to do it.
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Ryan in the backline? Lordy be. No.
Jones to me is borderline AFL quality. He to me is a midfielder who isn't up to midfield at AFL level. At HF he can make an impact but he's a bottom 6 player. I also don't see the offensive kicking and quick thinking for defence as well as defending the play coming at him.
Rioli to me is the one who could play defence. Yes he would be a liability height wise but his footy IQ is off the charts and he sees the play coming before / as it happens so is already on the move and reacting and has the precision kicking to tear teams apart.
If Ryan can play more as a ground level forward (which he's ******* great at) rather than going for mark of the year along with say a significant improvement from either Petch or SPS and the forward line is set. Only have 3 marking targets unless on the fast break.
I'd go as far as to have Shep and Hurn as defensive backps.
FB McGovern Edwards Cole
HB Duggan Barrass Rioli
Rotham as seventh defender.
Gov to be the third tall.
Rioli to me is the one who could play defence. Yes he would be a liability height wise but his footy IQ is off the charts and he sees the play coming before / as it happens so is already on the move and reacting and has the precision kicking to tear teams apart.
If Ryan can play more as a ground level forward (which he's ******* great at) rather than going for mark of the year along with say a significant improvement from either Petch or SPS and the forward line is set. Only have 3 marking targets unless on the fast break.
I'd go as far as to have Shep and Hurn as defensive backps.
FB McGovern Edwards Cole
HB Duggan Barrass Rioli
Rotham as seventh defender.
Gov to be the third tall.
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What a waste it would be playing Rioli or Ryan down back. Ridiculous.
Can’t wait to see them pair up again in the forward line. Rioli also running through the middle when fit.
Can’t wait to see them pair up again in the forward line. Rioli also running through the middle when fit.
Almost irrelevant who is playing if we keep playing the bruise free corralling zone defence. We need to make our2 KPD cover their man first and then intercept.
We continue the chip side and back, we will invite more pressure on the back 6
We continue the chip side and back, we will invite more pressure on the back 6
Sort out our midfield to prevent the ball streaming in under no pressure and our backline sorts itself out. Gov will dominate once again if we can force the opposition to kick long high and rushed. He is a much less effective weapon, almost a liability, if the oppo can hit up short/medium passes to leading forwards all day long. He is not a 1 on 1 defender, never will be, he is an aerial beast that reads the flight better than anyone. Structure our game to allow him to do what he does best and he is one of the most valued assets in the league.
Bringing the ball out of defence also needs a change of mindset/gameplan. Using the kicking strengths of Witho and the run of Rotham, Duggan, Nelson, Cole et al. to break lines rather than the chippy chip chip and we will be a different team.
I dont see a need to throw the chess pieces around and use 2 of the most dangerous small forwards in the game as backmen. The opposition coaches would rub their hands together not having Ryan and Rioli running at the feet of Allan, JK (maybe) and JD. That is just a nightmare to match up on. You dont remove your biggest strength to address another deficiency elsewhere.
Bringing the ball out of defence also needs a change of mindset/gameplan. Using the kicking strengths of Witho and the run of Rotham, Duggan, Nelson, Cole et al. to break lines rather than the chippy chip chip and we will be a different team.
I dont see a need to throw the chess pieces around and use 2 of the most dangerous small forwards in the game as backmen. The opposition coaches would rub their hands together not having Ryan and Rioli running at the feet of Allan, JK (maybe) and JD. That is just a nightmare to match up on. You dont remove your biggest strength to address another deficiency elsewhere.
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Nah
nah we just haven’t seen of him to know if he’s good. Cole need to go weakest link in the back line.
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My ideal backline for rd 1 2022:
B: Hurn, H Edwards, Witherdon
HB: Foley, Barrass, Duggan
Bench: Rotham
WAFL: McGovern, he can earn his way in playing well in WAFL if Barrass or H Edwards are playing crap. Sheppard is backup material now too, just provides nothing offensively
B: Hurn, H Edwards, Witherdon
HB: Foley, Barrass, Duggan
Bench: Rotham
WAFL: McGovern, he can earn his way in playing well in WAFL if Barrass or H Edwards are playing crap. Sheppard is backup material now too, just provides nothing offensively
Lol no way Gov is starting off in the WAFL
Who will play on the small quick forwards? Who will provide the run and carry out of defence?
Not much speed in your backline. Cole is a lock in my opinion.
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Ah yes, Tom "Dead last in the Grand Final sprint" Cole. Rotham can handle the small forwards.
Simmo tends to give Cole the small tricky forwards. It is not just straight line speed (going in a straight line is apparently all Rotham can do) - it is dodging and weaving in packs and through traffic plus knowing how to defend someone crumbing the pack. Not sure your boy Rotham has any clue as to what to do there.
My opinion here is heavily influenced by my Melbourne supporting wife's new found love of watching AFL. However, I think we could do a lot worse than emulating Melbourne's defence setup with 3 KPDs.
Lever = McGovern
May = Barass
Petty = Edwards
Hibberd = Hurn
Salem = Witherden / someone new / repurposed
Bowie = Cole
Rivers = Duggan
Lever = McGovern
May = Barass
Petty = Edwards
Hibberd = Hurn
Salem = Witherden / someone new / repurposed
Bowie = Cole
Rivers = Duggan
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Isn’t it basically our GF winning backline? So it’s not even copying Melbourne, but ourselves.
Lever = McGovern
May = Barrass
Petty = Schofield
Hibberd = Hurn
Salem = Jetta
Bowie = Cole
Rivers = Duggan
The only real difference I see is the level of pace and rebound Bowie/Rivers brings that Cole/Duggan don’t.
Now that you mention it, yes it absolutely is. Jetta's replacement is still a glaring hole for us.
By the end of the year this should be our backline moving forward. No disrespect to Hurn and Shep, love them, but Hurn has got one more year and Shep possibly 2... so I'd like to see what the next iteration can do.
Foley Edwards Cole/Nelson
Barrass Gov Witherden
Duggan
Foley Edwards Cole/Nelson
Barrass Gov Witherden
Duggan
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Rotham should play ahead of the older defenders. He’s the future and needs the experience pumped into him.
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