Season Over - Where to from here? What needs to change?

Will Richmond Win a Grand Final in the next 5 years

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 12 75.0%

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rfctiger74

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I'm confused? He's out of contract how can he be overpaid?



Who knows what a desperate club like Brisbane would pay. Just remember we can match the offer and then trade him. Nothing in the rules against it.
Is this the same Brisbane that was gunna pay McGun $450k pa and trade him for a first round pick because they were desperate for a backman??
 

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We know the game plan isnt good so it needs to be completely overhauled, just look at the top teams where their players run when they have the ball and more importantly when they dont have it, we are clueless, also another important peace of play is minding space west coast are the masters at this and north have taken this on more so this year, on Friday they forced us to kick long time after time that just = dumb football as we gave the ball back countless times as we did when we played WC in Perth...Going to leave the game plan there for now others can elaborate further on this.

On the list itself it isnt hopeless that im sure most of us know but it definitely has holes that need fixing, primarily a ruckman who can play as a midfielder, ie: goldsein, gawn etc also the lack of tall athletic defenders is our biggest worry, take out rance and grimes and the kitchen is bloody bare, well the rest in chaplin, astbury, elton, batchelor not up to it...Broad guess the only one waiting in the wings this is ludicrous how it could come to this...

Just to break it down where i see the holes needed in each category to improve on more, well some players (the younger ones) ive put them in the category where i see them playing in the next year or 2...

Rucks: Maric (end of the line), Hampson (not up to it, can get all the tap outs in the world but if u can't impact around the ground and take contested marks then you're just making up the numbers) and Soldo to early to tell.

Our midfield is good but the depth isn't, so who are our upcoming mids?
Well players whom i see first and foremost as a mid is Corey Ellis and Drummond...Some of our small forwards obviously can/will rotate through there but as pure mids we are bare...
Need strong mids with pace and skill, no more plodders please, ie: townsend etc

Midfield:
Cotchin
Martin
Miles
Vlastuin
Grigg
Conca
C.Ellis
Drummond
Marcon (mature age)
Townsend (not the future)

Our wingers/utility, what can i say unless Brandon Ellis pulls his finger out there's not much else well i rate McIntosh who is a hard runner, wins his own ball, strong at the contest and is a good mark.
Markov and Menadue i also rate they're the future...Andrew Moore definitely not.

Wingers/Utility:
Ellis
Markov
McIntosh
Menadue
Andrew Moore (not the future)

For our Tall fwds, this is one area which we have some depth, the youth look promising in McBean
McKenzie, Callum Moore & Chol with the mature regulars in Jack, Ty and Griff

Tall Forwards:
Riewoldt
Griffiths
Vickery
McBean
McKenzie
Callum Moore
Chol

Geez our classy HFF's only Lids who is in his late 20's and Lennon, need a few more classy half forwards.

Half Forwards:
Deledio/Mid
Lennon

Our young small fwds, somewhat addressed this problem in the last couple of years with rioli, short & butler but i still wouldn't mind another 1 or 2 crafty n sleek forwards to complement the current crop.

Small Forwards:
Edwards/Mid
Rioli/Mid
Short/Mid
Lloyd
Lambert/Mid
Butler/mid

As mentioned at the start of this post apart from Rance and Grimes it's a train wreck, either to slow and/or not mobile enough or not strong enough one on one....(broad the exception as haven't seen enough of him) but shows promise.

Tall Backs:
Rance
Grimes
Astbury
Chaplin
Elton
Batchelor
Broad (mature age)

Our Half backs wow guess really 2 in yarran (if he plays) and houli both 25 or older and hunt not the answer.

Half Backs:
Yarran
Houli
Hunt

Small backs very very bare, enough said.

Small Backs:
Morris
Castagna - In time could well go into the midfield or forward
 

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None of those trades you suggested are realistic though. If you want first rounders, talk about trading Cotch, Jack, Rance, or Dusty. They are the only players at our club with that kind of currency
OK you can think what you think and I can think what I think either way I think it's all hypothetical .who knows what will happen if and when it happens or doesn't happen. None of us will be the wiser
 

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Sorry mate, what was your response to my post I didn't get the all of the second sentence? Something along the lines of Peggy and Brendan are...
Sorry just saying Peggy and Benny are soft and won't make any changes
 

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Imo its the reverse of over coached. Other clubs know where they have to be and when and not just rely on natural skill.
Under or over coached is semantics, do we agree its just bad coaching?

Im not saying you can get by on natural talent alone, no siree. You are spot on, good organisation and tactics are a must.
If they are in place it allows players to relax, thrive and play instinctively.

We very rarely do that, to a man our team plays to our system, and play to it rigidly. most of our talent has stagnated or regressed.
 

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Unfit, undisciplined, poor work rate, too skinny, no idea what too do..... And poorly coached
The team is not physically or mentally prepared for tough AFL footy....

That's the coach,s role.....
TRUE we r so small..
 

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Seasons not over we can get in the 8 by Rd 17 according to ladder predictor. And those that say what's the point we're just gonna be finals pretenders so lets just tank for draft picks can get farked. I don't go to games to watch us tank. No real footy fan wants to see that shit. Give me the last 3 years over cellar dwelling any day.
 

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Seasons not over we can get in the 8 by Rd 17 according to ladder predictor. And those that say what's the point we're just gonna be finals pretenders so lets just tank for draft picks can get farked. I don't go to games to watch us tank. No real footy fan wants to see that shit. Give me the last 3 years over cellar dwelling any day.
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Not by Rd 17 we won't
I think you might be talking about a by gone era.

In the old days clubs had more autonomy to do things and people were attached to the club as a source of independent inspiration. Stakeholders have to respect there is a lot more interdependence now on many fronts and one can't simply just grab a group of players together and just train hard. Even Essendon looked for an alternative!

It will still occur for a select few in close proximity where the club relationship is paramount but really the league has changed, it is far more business orientated, matches are determined by umpires for commercial results, clubs have little influence in a social system run by AFL HQ and at the end of the day, going to the game means less than bums in front of the TV less detached to club associations and more interested in entertainment and symbols of contenders of those winning premierships. Fairness and even competition has been replaced more and more with entertainment. One only has to look at the number of ex-footy players on TV these days!

I think this is why the umpires were hell bent on getting Hawks up in 3 matches earlier in the year because they want to sell the Cyril and Hawks game brand/product to the johnny come latelys and club orientated success without the market, given executives 1.7million pay checks, are simply less of a concern. They want to sell a brand and sell a product of excellence and the dollar value of a sausage sizzle at the game has fallen by compared to the big value in the TV rights globally. The communal aspect has fallen away in some respects to the commercial reality of being sustainable and relevant in a global market!

So to be a sustainable and not succumb to irrelevance Tigerland really needs to concentrate on being a legitimate contender and not simply going through the motions. Does anyone think the rhetoric coming from the club in recent times is a little too stale and boring anyway? If anything they might have to have a crisis to raise interest from the dull directions! Really the club can no longer rely on the song and colours and really needs to sell a product of talent and excellence in performance and entertainment to remain viable. In many ways AFL HQ is selling excitement these days or is trying to across the media outlets!

The BS on many fronts is getting old like 4.7percent unemployment rates in the latest monthly jobs report in USA after only 38K increase meaning one thing, people are seeing through the BS and looking at Trumps antics for change!

Really going through the motions won't enable us to contend and frankly it does not serve the entertainment drama requirement either and the system needs to sell papers to tinker along!!
 
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Can we get a gymnasium?
Can we stop recruiting small midfielders?
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needs a big change.
I'd be putting aside Rance,Jack and maybe Martin and anything goes.
Open to all offers.
I love Miles but i agree they're generally all too small. Worth trying Macintosh perhaps? Floss is good, after that they're thin eh
 
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Seasons not over we can get in the 8 by Rd 17 according to ladder predictor. And those that say what's the point we're just gonna be finals pretenders so lets just tank for draft picks can get farked. I don't go to games to watch us tank. No real footy fan wants to see that shit. Give me the last 3 years over cellar dwelling any day.
After all this time ...it's not enough
 

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Under or over coached is semantics, do we agree its just bad coaching?

Im not saying you can get by on natural talent alone, no siree. You are spot on, good organisation and tactics are a must.
If they are in place it allows players to relax, thrive and play instinctively.

We very rarely do that, to a man our team plays to our system, and play to it rigidly. most of our talent has stagnated or regressed.
Yes, but it isn't semantics. Posters have stated that DH has coached the life or flair out of the players which is over coaching, which is why I replied to your post.
 

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First is more realistic

Vickery try a third. Cant play ruck properly and is playing like a third tall. Pies need someone to man up with Moore, not another Jessie White

Ellis is a tough one. His year has been horrid, so not sure how much that will effect his price. TBH, a pick in the late 30's / early 40's (dep upon academy picks) is probably not worth it for us though
Think thats underating how other clubs would view ellis. Teams would throw a late first at him. His best is bloody good theyd put it down to him just stagnating.
 

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Think thats underating how other clubs would view ellis. Teams would throw a late first at him. His best is bloody good theyd put it down to him just stagnating.
As I mentioned, I'm genuinely in two minds about him

His season has been a stinker thoughx , and even last year hr only seemed to play well when the team did
 

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As I mentioned, I'm genuinely in two minds about him

His season has been a stinker thoughx , and even last year hr only seemed to play well when the team did
Id be dropping him to the vfl to put a rocket under him. I think we judge him too harshly because he came in a did very well early on. We all just expect that trend to go up every year. Hes having a poor year, as is most of the team.

Im still in two minds about seeing what hed get us simply because we dont have any other winger as good or even as consistent as he is. Hes lost his scoring damage because we are focused on making him more contested, which he didnt need to do in his best years because we had a better inside mid balance.
 
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