Opinion Selection Nightmares

[WaynesWorld19]

But the time to move on from him has arrived.. we have more highly skilled options that we need to develop ASAP.. leaving them to rot in the sanfl while we keep gifting game after game to guys like keays and sloane is ludicrous.

Keays hasnt got the skills to win us the big games.

Time to move on from him and several others that just arent up to it.

I think where you get your thoughts on Keays wrong, is that it's not about skills with every player ......every player in the 22 isn't going to have Dawson type skills .....albeit, he's been tardy of late

His skills are fine .....there are 15 Mids with worse skills than Keays

What Keays brings in an unquestionable appetite for the contest, no matter the state of the game .......he stood up again yesterday, and he'll stand up in Finals

His ability to win a contest, have the left side, and know how to wrong foot opponents is great ......yes his kicking is unreliable ....but that advantages good forwards

 

[Crow till I die]

That wasn’t a competitive loss. They blew us away in the first half, we battled back in the second half but we were never going to win it, they had us covered.

I can't believe people out there see it as anything else as a comprehensive beating that was sugar coated by that last 1/4 when the game was gone and Essendon letting u off the hook infront of goal

 

[George Kramer]

I can't believe people out there see it as anything else as a comprehensive beating that was sugar coated by that last 1/4 when the game was gone and Essendon letting u off the hook infront of goal

People will see what they want to see if it means the club looking in a better light

 

[Crow till I die]

People will see what they want to see if it means the club looking in a better light

I was at the G for the collingwood game and yeah, we matched them that game and it made me feel that beating Essendon should have been that next step on the path to finals this year. With what was dished up yesterday, it was disgusting to watch. That loss burnt me badly as a supporter because it was not a closer loss in terms of game play and showed me really just how far we are away. To be outworked by a side is inexcusable and to not set up the team for the best chance of success - from selection, to centre clearance strategies etc makes me dark

 

[DJ75]

Not only, as I stated above, is the SANFL a joke of a league to try and develop our players in..

We have a coach in Mick Godden who puts matt crouch, tyler brown and Jackson Hately into nearly every single CBA..

Three blokes that should rightfully be delisted at the seasons end.. its bewildering.

Our more talented youth like dowling and bond barely get a look in.. unfortunately taylor got injured.
Nank was said to have been drafted to possibly become a big bodied mid but that hasnt occured..
Cook, who I think has all the skills to do it, isnt ever considered..

Hell.. often Godden will chuck one of the older sanfl top up players in the CB before he considers one of our young lads.

So I wouldnt go thinking we are doing anything to give our midfield stocks for the future a boost there..

If Godden isn't following instructions, then he should be sacked immediately.
If he is, then questions need to be asked of Nicks and why we are consistently favouring players that don't have a future.

What we are doing is not ok and someone needs to be held to account.

 

[Bearded Clam]

If Godden isn't following instructions, then he should be sacked immediately.
If he is, then questions need to be asked of Nicks and why we are consistently favouring players that don't have a future.

What we are doing is not ok and someone needs to be held to account.

Godden is employing the exact same strategy in the sanfl side as nicksy has done for a couple of years in the AFL side.

granting the great majority of midfield minutes/cb’s to our senior experienced players, regardless of whether they are cooked, slow, shitful, poorly skilled, and throwing the left over scraps to our youth..

its not just Godden.. its club policy.

 

[adelaidecrows]

If Godden isn't following instructions, then he should be sacked immediately.
If he is, then questions need to be asked of Nicks and why we are consistently favouring players that don't have a future.

What we are doing is not ok and someone needs to be held to account.

Here is the problem with the Sanfl. We were made to sign an agreement upon entering we had to try and win every game. Which is exactly what Godden is doing. We also have the issue of trying to get all our listed players involved in the game. Its not easy because it also involves the ability of players not up to Sanfl standard to often be relied upon to win their positions.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Godden is employing the exact same strategy in the sanfl side as nicksy has done for a couple of years in the AFL side.

granting the great majority of midfield minutes/cb’s to our senior experienced players, regardless of whether they are cooked, slow, shitful, poorly skilled, and throwing the left over scraps to our youth..

its not just Godden.. its club policy.

Its Nicks, he directs the football department!

The one thing im tired of reading is its club directed like its Roo's fault which seems to be the cheap argument around here to find reasons to hate on the board and Roo. I'm telling you at no stage would a club board ever tell a coach and selection committee who, what and when to select.

This selection policy is born out of safety. Honestly I think the first two seasons fried him as a coach and since then he has coached to save his job. Putting Dawson behind the ball last year was born out of fear and was a cheap attempt to put rose coloured glasses on our losses by keeping the margin palatable. Some fans fell for it and it hid his mistakes. This year he found a recipe to be competitive and found the perfect mix of players to pick from that will win some games. It wouldn't surprise me if he has secretly put together a list of 25 players in his office somewhere as his go to game day squad.

The directive to Godden would be to win every game he can. It would be that simple. Why? because losses exposes Nicks. If Godden wants to keep his job he has to please Nicks not the board.

 

[Brett Cummings]

I dont hate keays at all and posters saying I do is ridiculous.

How can I hate a bloke I dont even know ffs..

I’ve repeated endlessly that I respect what keays has been and acheived over the rebuilding period of the last few years..

But the time to move on from him has arrived.. we have more highly skilled options that we need to develop ASAP.. leaving them to rot in the sanfl while we keep gifting game after game to guys like keays and sloane is ludicrous.

Keays hasnt got the skills to win us the big games.

Time to move on from him and several others that just arent up to it.

They can keep pretending keays is a quality mid while we continue to get smashed in the middle. We're gonnna have to put up with him for another year or two.

 

[MrBarry]

Agree with this post and its something ive been concerned about for a while. We run the risk of having a totally lop sided list again in a few years with a core group who has lots of experience and then another group with little experience. There should have been much more rotation this year.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Agree with this post and its something ive been concerned about for a while. We run the risk of having a totally lop sided list again in a few years with a core group who has lots of experience and then another group with little experience. There should have been much more rotation this year.

There was never the mandate not too. The mandate was to build an experienced list with depth as much as quick as possible. Pumping this many games into players who are close to retirement, have reached their ceiling, going to fall out of the 22 when better players come along needs scrutiny.

 

[NSolis]

They can keep pretending keays is a quality mid while we continue to get smashed in the middle. We're gonnna have to put up with him for another year or two.

Keays isn't even playing midfield most weeks. He attended two centre bounces yesterday and got 20 touches and kicked two playing half forward. He's honestly been one of our best players the last two months, and is miles from our biggest problem. Hasn't played a bad game since round 10. People just can't see past the fact that he's a crap kick for goal.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Keays isn't even playing midfield most weeks. He attended two centre bounces yesterday and got 20 touches and kicked two playing half forward. He's honestly been one of our best players the last two months, and is miles from our biggest problem. Hasn't played a bad game since round 10. People just can't see past the fact that he's a crap kick for goal.

I’m happy to discuss what we do about Keays after we’ve sorted out the following:

• Sholl
• Murphy
• McHenry
• Sloane
• TT running under marking contests consistently
• Hinge trying to kick the cover off the ball when trying to lace out a team mate 60m away
• Milera’s consistent inconsistency
• Rash and Soligo fading in and out of games
• Fog being uncompetitive in some of these away games
• Laird handpassing to team mates who are standing next to him when under pressure ala crouch
• Dawson occasional brain farts playing on at every chance and sometimes lacing out opposition players

I’m sure there’s others

That is how low a priority a discussion on Keays is at this point.

 

[GreyCrow]

The winner post is that previous that pointed out our debutant this year - in a club in a rebuild we couldn’t give Nank, Borlase or Newchurch at least a taste - we must have been worried about West Coast and North turning things around rather than add experience to our squad.

sad.

Round 1 - Michalanney - debutante
Club debut for Rankine and Brown

The killer is the box

Total Players By Games​
GWS	Games	AFC
8	Less than 50	13
6	50 to 99	6
3	100 to 149	0
5	150 to 200	0
1	200 or more	4

To the Essendon game - noting that 2 players moved into the 50- 99 games and 2 from 100-149

Essendon	Games	Adelaide
5	Less than 50	8
8	50 to 99	9
6	100 to 149	2
2	150 to 200	0
2	200 or more	4

There IS a need to fill those 2 middle boxes but not playing debutantes will cut it

Just poor selection policies all over

 

[Interloperer]

The issue with our midfield is its stalled. The same players are relied upon over and over again. We need development and games to be pumped into players in the Sanfl. Will it make our midfield better? yes, because it will increase our depth and we can continue filling our side with elite talent as they progress. Using thesame players on rotation is destined to simply find ceilings and stay there.

Berry and Schoenberg got those games though (Schoenberg's even crossed the magic 'just get them to 50 games' barrier) and both regressed to the point where they can't even get into the side. Under this theory they should be the two to smoothly transition into the slots left by aging players in the coming years.

Sloane doesn’t play midfield anymore? Where’s he playing and do his CBAs mean he’s actually playing full forward?

But Sloane is playing midfield, surely you have noticed that. More to the point, it’s a philosophical issue. If there was a player who could come in and improve us, our current selection methods would ensure we won’t find out. How much midfield time did we give Lyons whilst Thommo was hobbling around totally cooked late in 2016.

Sloane plays in midfield the same way Rachele, Keays, Soligo and Pedlar play midfield. In some games he's in there some of the time. And he gets crowded out when someone like Berry is also playing. Way below the level of Dawson or Laird who are there all game,every game.

At this point there's probably more to gain through trading in experienced midfielders rather than internal development in this area.

Whats more interesting is that Nicks just doesn't seem to value the role of specialist on-ballers. He just picks the same two every game (Both of whom started their careers in other roles,) and fills the gaps by rotating in others for short spells.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Berry and Schoenberg got those games though (Schoenberg's even crossed the magic 'just get them to 50 games' barrier) and both regressed to the point where they can't even get into the side. Under this theory they should be the two to smoothly transition into the slots left by aging players in the coming years.

The point of this is by sticking with the same formula and not taking opportunities when arisen to rotate in players like Berry, Cook or Nankervis to our midfield mix this season, we have opened the door to over relying on players who simply dont have what it takes to take the next step. Is it exciting to be in our position now? yes, will it be just as exciting next year and the year after to be in this position...no. This is why clubs should always take opportunities when in our position to know the list inside out.

Its different if we were a top of the table side with that with minimal injuries and depth we could stick with the same 25 players because we were shooting for a premiership. We are only trying to make finals...and potentially failing and we are selecting like we are a team of elite players smashing the competition every week.

 

[skam85]

Keays will be at the football club for 5+ years, it's silly to think otherwise.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Its hard for us on the outer to understand what goes on internally in clubland and the exact issues as to why some players simply dont get selected week after week and often the same excuses get trotted out by the club.

'they have things to work on'
'they aren't doing enough in the sanfl to warrant selection'
'we have players playing well enough in the AFL'

The Sanfl simply isnt the development league we thought it would be, the AFL is a different beast altogether and my view is we should have never stopped bringing in young players to develop.

Crows Damning Selection stats: 32 players used

However if it feels like we are rotating the same players over and over again you're not mistaken.

9 players have played every game this year (16)
17 players have played 15 games or more
21 players have played 14 games or more this year
23 players have played 10 games or more this year
25 players have played 5 games or more. Schoenberg, Worrell

Players who have played 1-4 games
Crouch 1, McAdam 1, Brown 1, Himmelberg 3, Gollant 3, Berry 4, Parnell 4

Players not selected regardless of reason (injured etc)
Hamill, Taylor, Newchurch, Nankervis, Dowling, Borlase, Bond, Strachan, Keane, Cook, Hately, McPherson

In a season where we are 8w 8L the selection seem off. we are selecting like a team in the top 4 who doesnt lose games.

Port Comparison
Players used 37

9 players played every game
10 players have played 15 or more
13 players have played 14 or more
22 players have played 10 or more
28 players have played 5 or more

What this tells me is Port went out of their way to find opportunities to continue to develop players in an unbeaten run of 13 games. Nicks couldnt be arsed doing it in a win loss ratio of 8 / 8 and been out of finals the previous 3 seasons. That stat is damning.

Collingwood Comparison
Players used 35

10 players played every game
15 players have played 15 or more
16 players have played 14 or more
23 players have played 10 or more
26 players have played 5 or more

Yet again, this is damning. Collingwood top and rotated through more players.

Essendon Comparison
Players used 32

6 players played every game
12 players have played 15 or more
15 players have played 14 or more
22 players have played 10 or more
29 players have played 5 or more

Is this a joke? WTF is Nicks doing?

It's an interesting post. But where is the info on injuries the other teams have had to cover for? Us, virtually none. If we had a few injuries we would play a few more players.

But we have bugger all talent in the SANFL.

Crouch and hately are stamped. What's the point in playing them
McAdam can barely get a goal a game in the SANFL. Not screaming selection.
Berry and Schoenberg have been surpassed by Rachelle, soligo and pedler. Taylor too when fit.
Gollant can only be played in a handful of positions and his competition aren't being dropped.
Berg is a proven failure.
Parnell has fallen back due to the rise of Michaelanney.
Newchurch is now behind rankine.
Dowling and Bond not ready.
Cook not up to it.
Nank and borlase could be picked. Probably mainly nank.

 

[MRB37]

McAdam's SANFL form is utterly irrelevant. We know what he can do, he has the same game whether it's at AFL level or SANFL level. He's just one of those sorts of guys.

 

[adelaidecrows]

It's an interesting post. But where is the info on injuries the other teams have had to cover for? Us, virtually none. If we had a few injuries we would play a few more players.

But we have bugger all talent in the SANFL.

Crouch and hately are stamped. What's the point in playing them
McAdam can barely get a goal a game in the SANFL. Not screaming selection.
Berry and Schoenberg have been surpassed by Rachelle, soligo and pedler. Taylor too when fit.
Gollant can only be played in a handful of positions and his competition aren't being dropped.
Berg is a proven failure.
Parnell has fallen back due to the rise of Michaelanney.
Newchurch is now behind rankine.
Dowling and Bond not ready.
Cook not up to it.
Nank and borlase could be picked. Probably mainly nank.

The Sanfl is not the great development league you and others think it is. Its a baby sitting league where the players not playing firsts can get a run for match fitness and work on a few things outside of training.

The reason you dont see Cook, Berry and others starring is because thats not what they are meant to be doing. They are out there working on areas of the game they have been advised as why they havent been selected. Often its heavily reliant on the quality of sub par Sanfl listed players who wouldnt get a game at another Sanfl reserves team. You have to take that into account.

Expecting players to get 40 disposals or 15 goals a game as a forward before they should be considered is not only massively flawed thinking its an impossible task. Just because a player stars in the Sanfl doesnt make them good AFL players. There are so many examples over the years of great Sanfl players being drafted and then nothing. So please...cut the Sanfl cord.

And honestly, you have literally no idea on whether Hately has been stamped. Dont make s**t up. Crouch yes.

As I've said before, based on the Sanfl being viewed as the great AFL talent identifier it is, tell all the reserve players to * off now then. Obviously you are happy with mediocrity because you are willing to accept Nicks poor selection policies because it backs your Sanfl narrative. Its fine. The rest of the AFL do it but we cant because we have the Sanfl to tell us if they are good or not.

As for the injuries other teams have had? Who cares. what happened to ommitting average talent? We dont do it. We just cycle through.

Sorry to all those believing the Sanfl narrative. Ask yourself though, would Glenelg get within 40 goals of the Crows AFL side. Nope and Sanfl sides lose to a crows side sometimes with just 14 young afl listed players on it and country footballers.

 

[Bearded Clam]

It's an interesting post. But where is the info on injuries the other teams have had to cover for? Us, virtually none. If we had a few injuries we would play a few more players.

But we have bugger all talent in the SANFL.

Crouch and hately are stamped. What's the point in playing them
McAdam can barely get a goal a game in the SANFL. Not screaming selection.
Berry and Schoenberg have been surpassed by Rachelle, soligo and pedler. Taylor too when fit.
Gollant can only be played in a handful of positions and his competition aren't being dropped.
Berg is a proven failure.
Parnell has fallen back due to the rise of Michaelanney.
Newchurch is now behind rankine.
Dowling and Bond not ready.
Cook not up to it.
Nank and borlase could be picked. Probably mainly nank.

Sorry?.. what?..

kicked three on the weekend..

kicked two a couple of weeks before and got a goal in the other two games

how does 8 goals from 4 games equal “can barely get 1 goal a game”..

and getting goals in the SANFL, given how disgustingly biased the umpiring is against those poor lads back there and the delivery our forward line gets from our “hack and hope” midfield of hately, Brown and crouch, ain’t exactly an easy task mind you..

 

[adelaidecrows]

Sorry?.. what?..

kicked three on the weekend..

kicked two a couple of weeks before and got a goal in the other two games

how does 8 goals from 4 games equal “can barely get 1 goal a game”..

and getting goals in the SANFL, given how disgustingly biased the umpiring is against those poor lads back there and the delivery our forward line gets from our “hack and hope” midfield of hately, Brown and crouch, ain’t exactly an easy task mind you..

Some people honestly just still expect an AFL player to be kicking 10 goals a game in the Sanfl or getting 40-50 possessions each. If they aren't it means they are trash. Schoenberg got over 25-30 possessions reasonably regularly in Sanfl level but struggles to get 15-20 in the midfield at AFL level. Extraordinarily low numbers for a midfielder for his age at AFL level if he was to become a best 22 player in a top 4 side.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

McAdam's SANFL form is utterly irrelevant. We know what he can do, he has the same game whether it's at AFL level or SANFL level. He's just one of those sorts of guys.

X factor.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

It's an interesting post. But where is the info on injuries the other teams have had to cover for? Us, virtually none. If we had a few injuries we would play a few more players.

But we have bugger all talent in the SANFL.

Crouch and hately are stamped. What's the point in playing them
McAdam can barely get a goal a game in the SANFL. Not screaming selection.
Berry and Schoenberg have been surpassed by Rachelle, soligo and pedler. Taylor too when fit.
Gollant can only be played in a handful of positions and his competition aren't being dropped.
Berg is a proven failure.
Parnell has fallen back due to the rise of Michaelanney.
Newchurch is now behind rankine.
Dowling and Bond not ready.
Cook not up to it.
Nank and borlase could be picked. Probably mainly nank.

Mcadam surely could replace Murphy who in comparison has kicked 6 goals in the last 6 games of which included the huge scores against WC and NM.

and 4 hugely damaging disposals against Essendon.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Mcadam surely could replace Murphy who in comparison has kicked 6 goals in the last 6 games of which included the huge scores against WC and NM.

and 4 hugely damaging disposals against Essendon.

The true test of this selection theory of the 25 is this weekend. Im almost 100% convinced Ned will simply go back to Sub and Schoenberg comes into the side. No one will actually get omitted unless Butts comes back in. The same line will be from Nicks he will back the boys to respond. Nicks is really becoming the Neil Craig Special.