Selection trouble

[Boucks09]

Something is going to have to give in our midfield. Have you tried picking a best 22 assuming all of McVeigh, Welsh and Prismall return fit and in the form they had last season? Bloody hard.

I honestly think Lonergan could be in a bit of trouble, and one of McVeigh and Welsh
may have to move back/forward while only pinch hitting in the midfield to keep the balance right (as far as pace goes).

Very nice problem to have!

I had a crack, let me know your thoughts. It's not easy!

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Something Dermie said on the weekend got me thinking about our midfield. He said that he could not believe Carlton did not go for Daniel Rich because it would have given them a potentially great mid at every contest around the ground when players are resting.

For us I think it highlighted to me that we must play Watson, McVeigh, Lonergan and Welsh because they can rotate and give us a pretty good contest at every stoppage around the ground.

Geelong and Hawthorn do this and do it well with their depth in the middle.

What it means is that players like Stanton, Winderlich, Lovett, Prismall and the kids will be fighting for a few spots. Personally I think all the above guys offer us something extra than Prismall and it's why I can't see him in our best 22 if we have everyone fit.

 

[Darealrath]

Just quickly...

B: Fletcher Daniher Slattery
HB: Dempsey Pears Welsh
C: Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF: McPhee Lloyd Davey
FF: McVeigh Lucas Monfries
R: Hille Prismall Lovett
Int: Ryder Nash Skipworth Reimers

 

[The Donners]

B: Fletcher Hurley Slattery
HB: Dempsey Pears Welsh
C: Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF: Lloyd Ryder Davey
FF: McVeigh Lucas Monfries
R: Hille Prismall Lovett
Int: Hocking Reimers Gumbleton McPhee
Emerg: Skipworth Myers Zaharikis Daniher

Damn tough. I had to add an extra emergency and I'm still not sure of the final make-up! Some very stiff players. I hope this translates into great performances from all and sundry to retain their spots - or to get promoted!

I have every faith in Gumbleton becoming a star hence I forced a spot for him on the bench. I wanted Zaharikis in there too but the only person I could think of taking out for him was Slattery. Then who would play BP? I would say McVeigh would be the only player who could play there other than Slattery! Why? It has been said ad nauseam but BP specialists are not drafted.

 

[upanddown]

I have a feeling Lovett-Murray won't get a game this year and be delisted next year. Hopefully Jetta will be on the trade table at the end of the season. Apart from that the team should be alright.

Where can people see Neagle fitting in and Gumbleton?

 

[Mr Mosquito]

Personally I think all the above guys offer us something extra than Prismall and it's why I can't see him in our best 22 if we have everyone fit.

I would think that a midfielder that can find a place in Geelongs team, would quiet easily find a place it ours.

Dont find it likely knights goes after a guy in trade week, and offer him a contract like we have to ship hum off to bendigo.

IMO he is one of the first players picked in our midfield.

 

[Mr Mosquito]

B: Fletcher Hurley Slattery
HB: Dempsey Pears Welsh
C: Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF: Lloyd Ryder Davey
FF: McVeigh Lucas Monfries
R: Hille Prismall Lovett
Int: Hocking Reimers Gumbleton McPhee
Emerg: Skipworth Myers Zaharikis Daniher

Damn hard task! I think that this is because us as Essendon fans rarely get to see or even think to consider our best 22 because it is never available due to injury.

The changes i make to the above are:

Zaharakis 4 Hocking....as good as Hock has been i think Welsh has proven he is our best taggers.

For some reason i feel sad that Skipworth cant be fit into the team, even though selection difficulties should be a good thing. I do have a suspicion however Skipworth is somewhat of a love child to knights and think there will be some real unlucky person to miss out instead.

Houli and Lonergan can't even get an emergency spot........TIGHT

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

I would think that a midfielder that can find a place in Geelongs team, would quiet easily find a place it ours.

Dont find it likely knights goes after a guy in trade week, and offer him a contract like we have to ship hum off to bendigo.

IMO he is one of the first players picked in our midfield.

Well lets just look at it a little bit. He's an outside mid. He is not competing with Watson, McVeigh, Welsh and Lonergan for the inside post.

He's competing with Stanton, Winderlich, Lovett, and the more skilfull outside guys.

Winderlich and Lovett both have serious pace and on form are picked in front of him.

Stanton is a better player and demands to be picked.

Which mid do you leave out of the side for him?

Lovett Watson Winderlich

Hille McVeigh Welsh/Stanton

Lovett on the wing rotating with Stanton who might go a bit to half back. Welsh tagging when required.

 

[Mr Mosquito]

Well lets just look at it a little bit. He's an outside mid. He is not competing with Watson, McVeigh, Welsh and Lonergan for the inside post.

He's competing with Stanton, Winderlich, Lovett, and the more skilfull outside guys.

Winderlich and Lovett both have serious pace and on form are picked in front of him.

Stanton is a better player and demands to be picked.

Which mid do you leave out of the side for him?

Lovett Watson Winderlich

Hille McVeigh Welsh/Stanton

Lovett on the wing rotating with Stanton who might go a bit to half back. Welsh tagging when required.

The team listed above......put ur best 22 down

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

The team listed above......put ur best 22 down

B: 2 of Pears/Daniher/Hurley Slattery
HB: Dempsey Fletcher NLM
C: Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF: Lucas McPhee Lovett
FF: Davey Lloyd Jetta
R: Hille McVeigh Welsh
Int: Ryder Reimers Lonergan Hocking

Emg: Monfries, Prismall, Skipworth, Houli

 

[Mr Mosquito]

B: 2 of Pears/Daniher/Hurley Slattery
HB: Dempsey Fletcher NLM
C: Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF: Lucas McPhee Lovett
FF: Davey Lloyd Jetta
R: Hille McVeigh Welsh
Int: Ryder Reimers Lonergan Hocking

Emg: Monfries, Prismall, Skipworth, Houli

ha ha a u fricken kidding?

The highlighted point are where u are wrong......anyone who thinks u have n e idea is deluded themselves

 

[loopy_cam]

ha ha a u fricken kidding?

The highlighted point are where u are wrong......anyone who thinks u have n e idea is deluded themselves

Well that's a well constructed arguement if ever I've seen one.

 

[B-Bomber]

As far as KSs team is concerned, based on what we've seen at AFL level I would much prefer Reimers in the FP instead of Jetta and rotating through the midfield while Prismall takes up a bench spot. Between Davey, Reimers, Winders, Lovett I think we will generally have the FP covered. Besides, another skillful outside midfielder like Prismall (who can also kick goals) reduces the need for genuine crumbers a little bit. Would love Jetta to take the next step but if everyone was fit right now he would need to work his arse off at Bendigo first.

As far as NLM is concerned... I'd be tempted to play Daniher as the attacking HBF as he has shown flair in this area much like NLM but has more upside (and possibly a better defensive side to his game). That does leave our backline quite tall however.

 

[Mr Mosquito]

Well that's a well constructed arguement if ever I've seen one.

Well i would have though there was no argument necessary.

NLM is gone, he wont play this year, unless we a severely struck by injury again. He butchers the ball too often and its time as a club we move past these type of players.

Prismall is very comfortably in our best 22, not an issue at all about it, he is there.

Monfries, Kelvin obviously didnt watch the game on the weekend. A guy who is capable of playing a game like that is in our best 22.

Jetta - i like the dynamics of him and davey in the same side, however he does not deserve his spot, he has not performed at all really apart from 4 matches last year, and unless he really shows something throughout this year he may not be around much longer.

I also think that only one of Pears/Daniher will play each week alongside Hurley

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

ha ha a u fricken kidding?

The highlighted point are where u are wrong......anyone who thinks u have n e idea is deluded themselves

Kids telling me I have no idea when they reply in sms unreadable rubbish. If you try to hold conversations in sms you'll end up cleaning toilets for the rest of your life.

As for the side well, NLM is a better option than Monfries for me. He can play forward, back, has more pace and kicking is on the same par. Monfries is a man in a kids body.

I have high hopes for Jetta and I like the combination forward with Davey. I think he makes our team better with his forward pressure and I'm willing to back him in that he can start producing the goods.

Prismall is yet to play a game for us so how can you say he's an automatic selection. He got a few games in Geelongs team last year but he fed off the likes of Ablett, Selwood, Ling. Remember how good Heffernan and Blumfield looked in 2000 surrounded by guns?

As for the side you put up, well you have Prismall and Lovett as ruck rover and rover. Who is going to win the ball? Neither are good at it. Your side is more dreamteam then reality.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

B: 2 of Pears/Daniher/Hurley Slattery
HB: Dempsey Fletcher NLM
C: Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF: Lucas McPhee Lovett
FF: Davey Lloyd Jetta
R: Hille McVeigh Welsh
Int: Ryder Reimers Lonergan Hocking

Emg: Monfries, Prismall, Skipworth, Houli

I'd want Prismall in the team anyday of the week ahead of both NLM & Hocking.

You could argue Hocking's in the team as a 'tagger', but the days of hard tagging are over now. Guys like Judd can burn you off with quick ball movement and pure pace easily.

NLM's one of them types that gets a bit flustered when the midfield is getting pumped. He continually gives away free kicks under pressure and fumbles the ball in critical stages of matches. I just don't think players like Nathan will take us to that next premiership; Now and into the future.

My best 22 would read Prismall in for Hocking, and Houli in for NLM.

 

[monty1104]

There seems to be a bit of talk about pushing Daniher up forward. I dont see the reasoning behind it though. We have Lloyd, Lucas, Neagle and Gumbleton already. He is of far more use down back. With Hurley in the team, it means Daniher gets the second forward, Pears gets the third and Fletcher can play loose to help out the three young guys.

 

[Kong]

As far as the future is concerned, I see Daniher being our Milburn or Harley-type third tall. Ideally Hurley will come on as expected, and I honestly believe Pears will cement CHB as his own. Daniher played well on Tarrant, who isn't any worse than most team's third tall, and I feel he'll best be utilised as the third tall defender exploiting them with his dash and poise from defence.

 

[Boucks09]

As far as the future is concerned, I see Daniher being our Milburn or Harley-type third tall. Ideally Hurley will come on as expected, and I honestly believe Pears will cement CHB as his own. Daniher played well on Tarrant, who isn't any worse than most team's third tall, and I feel he'll best be utilised as the third tall defender exploiting them with his dash and poise from defence.

Spot on.

 

[danzan22]

It's rather amazing how Ryder has suddenly been pushed out of our backline when last year he was easily our best (excl fletch). I'm getting very excited at the prospect of him developing into a chf/relief ruck type player.

 

[Valve Bounce]

An article was posted on essendonfc.com.au that talked about fitting in McVeigh, McPhee and possibly Lonergan into the side this week. If we're having trouble fitting in players now I'm wondering what will happen when Gumbleton, Reimers, Hurley, Welsh, Prismall and Laycock are back. Keeping in mind we'll want to get games into Neagle as well and any other players who are playing well in the VFL at the time.
I'm glad we have so many options and possibilities but I wanted to ask everyone which 22 (with everyone fit) is the best in terms of preparing for the future, having a good team structure and still having the best players possible?

I didn't know Laycock was still in the side - I thought they'd retired Chook.

 

[LeeARM]

I didn't know Laycock was still in the side - I thought they'd retired Chook.

they were going to but then accidentally gave him a 2 year contract instead.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Am going to training tomorrow morning; Are there any special requests for players to closely watch? Jetta is on my hit-list, trained average last training session and had a below average game against Carlton IMO. Be interesting to see if indeed he has picked up the pace.

 

[Boucks09]

Am going to training tomorrow morning; Are there any special requests for players to closely watch? Jetta is on my hit-list, trained average last training session and had a below average game against Carlton IMO. Be interesting to see if indeed he has picked up the pace.

Thanks Great Source, I always appreciate the guys that provide updates from training. My requests are:

- Neagle: RE intensity
- Prismall: RE full training involvement
- Houli: RE skills
- Hurley: RE full training involvement

And obviously any guys that don't train or pull up sore.

Cheers mate.

 

[Mighty_bombers]

This would be my best 22 if everyone was fit

Backs
Andrew Welsh.............Michael Hurley..............Dustin Fletcher
Brent Stanton...............Tayte Pears.............Courtenay Dempsey

Mids
Jason Winderlich.........Mark McVeigh.............Brent Prismall
David Hille...................Jobe Watson..............Andrew Lovett

Forwards
Adam McPhee..........Paddy Ryder..............Kyle Reimers
Angus Monfries........Matthew Lloyd.............Alwyn Davey

Bench
David Myers
Hayden Skipworth
Bachar Houli
Scott Gumbleton

Emg
Ricky Dyson..........Jason Laycock...............Sam Lonergan


Very Unlucky
Heath Hocking........Darcy Daniher