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Which track are you talking about?
Moonee Valley - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/s...d/news-story/0e6d7df2677b583ae260936e031956d8

The reporting of MV's finances isn't covered in the article, but this is obviously what has driven the development plan. (I guess it's obvious - I found out by other means, but you wouldn't be detailing and implementing such a plan if they didn't badly need the money, and they weren't desperately trying to keep the 3rd metro race track in Melbourne alive.)
 

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I initially thought you meant Sandown. Which is definitely going to be sold to developers. I thought it was a bit much to call it iconic.
Yeah, Sandown as well - it was the whole reason the MRC bought it in the first place. They don't make any money out of it.
 

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On another note. They've got Matty G doing to greyhound ads.

In the past week. Ro Ro was approving of Simon Lethlean's appointment at the saints. Making out that the public's outrage was over the top.

Normally it'd go in one ear and out the other. But it's always stuck in my mind how outraged Ro Ro was at Chris Gayle. So I find it peculiar when he thinks others are being overly sensitive.
I heard only a day or so ago that SEN are still running that ad Ox did for those BBQ's. Found it a little odd they still air this given the way he left the station.
 

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I heard only a day or so ago that SEN are still running that ad Ox did for those BBQ's. Found it a little odd they still air this given the way he left the station.
They may have a contract with the BBQ people to play them that they can't really renege on. I noticed they've stopped playing his crystal clear SEN app one (they have several other ones of course, heard a Dermie one the other day).
 

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On another note. They've got Matty G doing to greyhound ads.

In the past week. Ro Ro was approving of Simon Lethlean's appointment at the saints. Making out that the public's outrage was over the top.

Normally it'd go in one ear and out the other. But it's always stuck in my mind how outraged Ro Ro was at Chris Gayle. So I find it peculiar when he thinks others are being overly sensitive.
I can see where RoCo has made the differentiation. The Lethlean affair was a consensual thing, even if it was adulterous etc. What Chris Gayle did amounted to workplace sexual harassment, played out on live television. I personally think what Gayle did was worse but not condoning what Lethlean did by saying that. Others may see it differently of course.
 

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Well. It wasn't sexual harrassment. But I'm not going to get drawn into an argument over that.
Yeah, I know what you are saying. I find it hard to put in words the distinction but Gayle is much more of a creep than Lethlean in my book.
 

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Well. It wasn't sexual harrassment. But I'm not going to get drawn into an argument over that.
:rolleyes:

Just as well we have you to arbitrate what amounts to sexual harassment, regardless of what the victim or women in general think.

If you or I behaved like that to a woman in our workplace, we'd lose our job. And we'd ******* well deserve to.
 

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Lol. There goes that fantasy.

Gayle was not demanding or forceful in asking Mel to go out for a drink after the game. Nor was he persistent after a rejection. No harrassment was present.

Males are allowed to ask out adult females. Even in a workplace situation. In random cases, the development is even beneficial to both parties.

The casual nature Gayle treated a public broadcast could've been dealt with better. Although I await if it's necessary to write an essay about it.

With the understanding Bumpswithagrin is a female. It's interesting to observe both your reactions to my post.

The irony of Mel McLaughlin being replaced by Roz Kelly. A woman who met Morne Morkel in a workplace situation. He would've asked her out, even though he didn't do so on air. They've become married.

It's ironic to be discussing this situation with the Hurricanes/Renegades fixture currently playing. The exact match up and ground where the controversy happened.
 

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In my day it was called harmless flirting with the opposite sex.....I laughed at the outrage. Some women like to be offended I've noticed. Wonder what will happen when the men stop making passes at them and they're left standing to the side of the dance floor all alone. Men will be scared off from making any kind of moves for fear it will be taken the wrong way and he is "outed"

...and I'm not convinced that Mel was overly offended until she felt she had to be....perhaps a bit shocked at his brazenness at the time, but offended on the spot, I don't think so.

Storm in a teacup, that one imo..
 

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Yeah, I know what you are saying. I find it hard to put in words the distinction but Gayle is much more of a creep than Lethlean in my book.
I rarely disagree with you, but I do on this one....Lethlean in my view, is the bigger creep because he was married, sly, sneeky and deceitful. Gayle was out in the open, free to flirt around.
 

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In my day it was called harmless flirting with the opposite sex.....I laughed at the outrage. Some women like to be offended I've noticed. Wonder what will happen when the men stop making passes at them and they're left standing to the side of the dance floor all alone. Men will be scared off from making any kind of moves for fear it will be taken the wrong way and he is "outed"

...and I'm not convinced that Mel was overly offended until she felt she had to be....perhaps a bit shocked at his brazenness at the time, but offended on the spot, I don't think so.

Storm in a teacup, that one imo..
i dont know if mel was or wasnt offended. we will never find out. it was distasteful in some way, and not in another.

As a female, do you feel protected by men who are offended on behalf of females, or by incidents where females are harassed?

I heard only a day or so ago that SEN are still running that ad Ox did for those BBQ's. Found it a little odd they still air this given the way he left the station.
i felt a little odd hearing his voice again
 

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Lol. There goes that fantasy.

Gayle was not demanding or forceful in asking Mel to go out for a drink after the game. Nor was he persistent after a rejection. No harrassment was present.

Males are allowed to ask out adult females. Even in a workplace situation. In random cases, the development is even beneficial to both parties.

The casual nature Gayle treated a public broadcast could've been dealt with better. Although I await if it's necessary to write an essay about it.

With the understanding Bumpswithagrin is a female. It's interesting to observe both your reactions to my post.

The irony of Mel McLaughlin being replaced by Roz Kelly. A woman who met Morne Morkel in a workplace situation. He would've asked her out, even though he didn't do so on air. They've become married.

It's ironic to be discussing this situation with the Hurricanes/Renegades fixture currently playing. The exact match up and ground where the controversy happened.
The bolded is the only part of t your post that I agree with.

I guess you can ask out a workplace colleague. But:
- IMO it's not appropriate to do it in the workplace, and I don't think the vast majority of people would thank that's acceptable, and
- doing it in a manner that demeans and/or embarrasses one of the parties is absolutely, 100% sexual harassment. Which is what Gayle did. Whether or not it was deliberate - cos I actually have no trouble whatsoever believing that Gayle is just that stupid, arrogant, sexist and lacking awareness that it wasn't deliberate - what he did do was publicly embarrass and demean her, while she was doing her job, which happened to be broadcasting to hundreds of thousands of people.

Trying to simplify what happened as a person simply and politely asking someone out is complete bullshit, and I suspect you probably know this. If stories like Harvey Weinstein and Don Burke have taught us (as men) anything, it's that spending decades conducting yourself in a certain way doesn't mean it's right, acceptable, or that it's not harassment.
 

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I rarely disagree with you, but I do on this one....Lethlean in my view, is the bigger creep because he was married, sly, sneeky and deceitful. Gayle was out in the open, free to flirt around.
This is really discussion about whether you'd rather be kicked in the nuts or kicked in the head.

One of them put his workplace at risk because of the position of power he held over a subordinate that he was having an affair with. The other publicly embarrassed a woman in a sexualised way while she was doing her job in front of hundreds of thousands of people

Both Lethlean and Gayle are really, really shit people, and I'd like to think that one day we as men will be aware enough and respectful enough towards women that we shun and shame these creeps rather than defend them.
 

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Definately got to rid the world of the Weinstein types....and always glad of respect and good manners from you guys. At the same time, depending of course on the individual situation, but I seriously dispair at some of the womens attitudes. Some get so offended so easily, over such little unimportant stuff and end up making a mountain out of a molehill.

It works both ways, men need to lift their game, but so do the women. A woman only needs to say a man made a pass and his reputation is ruined before even proven.....
 
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Embarrassment is not sexual harrassment. In fact, it was an opportunity for Mel to show how strong she is. Hypothetically, had she made a quip which shot down Gayle, she would've become a legend, and the public would've loved it.

As it turns out. Even if it's not acknowledged. She's seen as sensitive, and an ordinary presenter who's gotten a career out of her looks.
 

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Embarrassment is not sexual harrassment.
Actually, it is.

From the Australian Human Rights Commission (my emphasis added)

Sexual harassment is an unwelcome sexual advance, unwelcome request for sexual favours or other unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature which makes a person feel offended, humiliated and/or intimidated, where a reasonable person would anticipate that reaction in the circumstances.

The Sex Discrimination Act 1984 (Cth) defines the nature and circumstances in which sexual harassment is unlawful. It is also unlawful for a person to be victimised for making, or proposing to make, a complaint of sexual harassment to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission.

Examples of sexually harassing behaviour include:

  • unwelcome touching;
  • staring or leering;
  • suggestive comments or jokes;
  • sexually explicit pictures or posters;
  • unwanted invitations to go out on dates;
  • requests for sex;
  • intrusive questions about a person's private life or body;
  • unnecessary familiarity, such as deliberately brushing up against a person;
  • insults or taunts based on sex;
  • sexually explicit physical contact; and
  • sexually explicit emails or SMS text messages.

People should do some cursory reading before giving uneducated opinions on things that have legal definitions.

In fact, it was an opportunity for Mel to show how strong she is. Hypothetically, had she made a quip which shot down Gayle, she would've become a legend, and the public would've loved it.

As it turns out. Even if it's not acknowledged. She's seen as sensitive, and an ordinary presenter who's gotten a career out of her looks.
So what you're saying is that it's the woman's responsibility to not be sexually harassed?

I hope we can soon perfect time travel so you can go back to the 1950s where your views on gender equality belong.
 

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I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post atm the moment. Except for the last line. Fwiw, I know numerous people who've told me that the last 15 years have been more conservative than the 1950s.
 

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Actually. Before I go to work.

Gayle didn't stare or leer.
Gayle didn't make any suggestive comments or jokes.
You don't know for certain that a date is unwanted til after you've asked someone out. Gayle did not persist after the initial proposal.

Chris says "Hi".

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The photo was taken 3 days ago The woman he is with is, Laura McGoldrick, a sports presenter. Just like Mel McLaughlin.
 

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Actually. Before I go to work.

Gayle didn't stare or leer.
Gayle didn't make any suggestive comments or jokes.
You don't know for certain that a date is unwanted til after you've asked someone out. Gayle did not persist after the initial proposal.

Chris says "Hi".

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The photo was taken 3 days ago The woman he is with is, Laura McGoldrick, a sports presenter. Just like Mel McLaughlin.
The **** do you think posting a photo proves?

I have a photo with Chris Gayle as well, taken 4-5 years ago in a gym in Canberra. Does the fact that I have a photo with him make it ok for him to sexually harass television presenters?

Your "argument" is beyond nonsensical :huh:


Also, if you don't agree with the legal definition of sexual harassment, write to your member of parliament. Fact is a legal definition exists - that you don't agree with it certainly doesn't make it wrong.
 

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The **** do you think posting a photo proves?

I have a photo with Chris Gayle as well, taken 4-5 years ago in a gym in Canberra. Does the fact that I have a photo with him make it ok for him to sexually harass television presenters?

Your "argument" is beyond nonsensical :huh:


Also, if you don't agree with the legal definition of sexual harassment, write to your member of parliament. Fact is a legal definition exists - that you don't agree with it certainly doesn't make it wrong.

Look mate he knows at least one woman so therefore he cant be sexist, GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD ALREADY
 
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