Serial Killers

[vast]

He could have thrown a boobs in there just to lighten the mood, evil prick.

 

[Rosanne]

My Mum went to primary school for a brief time with Christopher Worrell (says he seemed like a bit of a weird type, even at that age), and one of the girls that Worrell and James Miller murdered was picked up around the corner from where my parents lived before I was born.

Like the OP and some others in this thread, I have a bit of an interest in serial killers myself; I've even got "serial killers" listed under my "Interests" on my Facebook page. CI Australia is one of my favourite television shows, and I'm often watching similar shows on the CI channel on Foxtel about serial killers and murderers. I'm always fascinated to learn of the motives behind and the methods of their crimes. Whilst their crimes are obviously shocking and are largely unspeakably inhumane and unacceptable, they're always strangely interesting as well.

A good movie relating to the topic is Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer, which is loosely based on the confessions of American serial killer Henry Lee Lucas.

And despite it being pure fiction, I think it'd be remiss of me not to add this classic gem into the thread:

[YOUTUBE]8WdEL8DzvaM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Rosanne]

I have recently become interested in killer Christopher Worrell. Why he became so evil and the contrast of his depravity with the way he is said to come across, ie friendly charismatic, 'perpetual smile' etc. Which Primary School was the one your Mum knew him? Was there anything else she remembered about him. I was born a year after him and was a young woman living in Adelaide at the time of the pick ups and murders, I wonder if I may have been enticed into that car? The victims were all going about there business not looking for trouble, and he managed to get them in the car in a busy city with plenty of people around. Hope you reply Damon!

 

[Damon_3388]

I have recently become interested in killer Christopher Worrell. Why he became so evil and the contrast of his depravity with the way he is said to come across, ie friendly charismatic, 'perpetual smile' etc. Which Primary School was the one your Mum knew him? Was there anything else she remembered about him. I was born a year after him and was a young woman living in Adelaide at the time of the pick ups and murders, I wonder if I may have been enticed into that car? The victims were all going about there business not looking for trouble, and he managed to get them in the car in a busy city with plenty of people around. Hope you reply Damon!

My Mum moved around a lot and moved schools a lot as a kid, so without asking her, I'm not sure which one it was. I don't think she really knew him or associated with him, just knew him by name and remembered the name when it cropped up again years later.

Here's an interesting aside from Wikipedia though, that may give some further insight into Worrell's mindset:

(Worrell's friend/lover/accomplice) James Miller suffered depression and became homeless after Worrell's death. Miller's state of mind and a chance comment were to eventually give police a breakthrough when at Worrell's funeral, his former girlfriend, Amelia, told Miller that Worrell had had a suspected blood clot on the brain. This announcement prompted Miller to tell her about Worrell's fascination with thrill killing, suggesting that the clot might possibly have been responsible for the moods that led Worrell to kill.

 

[Damon_3388]

Definitely high on the evil list. The movie ITV did on them, Appropriate Adult, was one of the better true-crime docu-dramas I've ever seen.

Dominic West was so good in that. Captured what is publicly known about Fred West's character perfectly IMO.

 

[vast]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_serial_killer

A newer one I haven't read much about it only whats on Wiki pretty much.Probably way off the mark, but some believe the offender could be a cop.

Has anyone read any of the novels by FBI profilers like Douglas etc? I read Mindhunter and another one by some lesser known guy called Russell Vorpagel.He profiled Richard Chase in his book.

Their process is interesting but alot of guesswork IMO, which they dont like to admit in public.

Some seriously disturbing details in those books.

Interesting to note Douglas profiled BTK before he was captured and didnt get much right.

Edit: Coincidentally this article pops up today about potential victim of the Long Island Killer, Shannan Gilbert.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...t/news-story/ae4b63f675806d11b9631d17fe3f6f7a

 

[Major Colvin]

If you're into podcasts you should listen to the three-part series on the Original night Stalker (Unresolved) - seriously bone-chilling.

For those unfamiliar this is the guy who was an expert cat-burglar who then progress from rape to murder, and murder upwards of 12 people, sexually assaulted upwards of 50 in north and south California in the 70's and 80's.

There's a general theory that the guy was either a cop or ex-military, because of his apparent knowledge of police evidence gathering techniques and ability to tie up his victims using diamond knots (apparently very difficult). Also like many serial killers he relished in psychological torment of his victims. For instance, in between repeatedly raping one woman he would compliment her, calling her beautiful, before quickly switching back and threatening to kill her. In another case, he left a voicemail on one of his victims answering machine 15 years after she was r*ped and had since chnaged address whispering "gonna kill you" - I don't scare that easily but that voicemail is utterly terrifying.

He often targeted couples. He would apparently select his victims well in advance and carry out detailed reconnaissance on them so as to familiarise himself with their movements. He would then scope out their homes such that he would break into people houses several times before they became his victims.

He was also hiding in plain sight. One of the towns held in meeting about the series of home invasions going on the at a community hall and one chided any man who would let his wife be r*ped - within the next couple of night the man's house was broken into and his wife r*ped while he was subdued. So there is strong suspicion that the ONS attended the community meeting. A composite sketch was drawn based on someone sitting in the crowd that day. Although none of the composite sketches describing the ONS look similar. Perhaps, similar to Bundy the ONS must have had a chameleon-type appearance, unremarkable and seemingly benign.

Also, occasionally took a white german shepherd (with two missing toes) on some of his home invasions. It's been theorised this may have been done if target owned a dog in order to neutralise it. He was obviously incredibly methodical but also brazen.

30 years later he still hasnt been caught and the FBI consider there is a strong chance he's still alive.

 

[vast]

If you're into podcasts you should listen to the three-part series on the Original night Stalker (Unresolved) - seriously bone-chilling.

For those unfamiliar this is the guy who was an expert cat-burglar who then progress from rape to murder, and murder upwards of 12 people, sexually assaulted upwards of 50 in north and south California in the 70's and 80's.

There's a general theory that the guy was either a cop or ex-military, because of his apparent knowledge of police evidence gathering techniques and ability to tie up his victims using diamond knots (apparently very difficult). Also like many serial killers he relished in psychological torment of his victims. For instance, in between repeatedly raping one woman he would compliment her, calling her beautiful, before quickly switching back and threatening to kill her. In another case, he left a voicemail on one of his victims answering machine 15 years after she was r*ped and had since chnaged address whispering "gonna kill you" - I don't scare that easily but that voicemail is utterly terrifying.

He often targeted couples. He would apparently select his victims well in advance and carry out detailed reconnaissance on them so as to familiarise himself with their movements. He would then scope out their homes such that he would break into people houses several times before they became his victims.

He was also hiding in plain sight. One of the towns held in meeting about the series of home invasions going on the at a community hall and one chided any man who would let his wife be r*ped - within the next couple of night the man's house was broken into and his wife r*ped while he was subdued. So there is strong suspicion that the ONS attended the community meeting. A composite sketch was drawn based on someone sitting in the crowd that day. Although none of the composite sketches describing the ONS look similar. Perhaps, similar to Bundy the ONS must have had a chameleon-type appearance, unremarkable and seemingly benign.

Also, occasionally took a white german shepherd (with two missing toes) on some of his home invasions. It's been theorised this may have been done if target owned a dog in order to neutralise it. He was obviously incredibly methodical but also brazen.

30 years later he still hasnt been caught and the FBI consider there is a strong chance he's still alive.

Yep I started a thread on him a few years back. Seriously scary stuff; its not even the violence with his crimes its the psychological terror that he caused.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-original-night-stalker-east-area-rapist.983415/

 

[rippersnipper]

Really weird kid at the high school I went to. Fascinated with Nazism and fascism and all of that sort of shit. Ran for school captain but didn't get it and posted all this stuff on Facebook about how no one could handle his ideals etc. One of my mates reckons he's of the sociopath/psychopath type.

 

[NSWCROW]

SUNDAY NIGHT on 7 are doing a piece on JULIAN KNIGHT this week.

Assuming they'll show the " Walk-through " police video he took them on whilst in custody.
I can remember snippets being shown on ACA or TT years ago.

 

[Shell]

SUNDAY NIGHT on 7 are doing a piece on JULIAN KNIGHT this week.

Assuming they'll show the " Walk-through " police video he took them on whilst in custody.
I can remember snippets being shown on ACA or TT years ago.

Don't know much this tbh- remember reading some articles in the paper, im assuming when it was an anniversary.

Will definitely tune in Sunday.

 

[GreyCrow]

Just finishing Bret Christians book Presumed Guilty a side story of Darryl Beamish and John Button caught up in the twisted world of Eric Edgar Cooke

( He was never called the Night Caller) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Edgar_Cooke

Tim Winton also wrote about Cooke in his novel Cloudstreet. Robert Drewe wrote The Shark Net which became a TV mini-drama on the ABC. Estelle Blackburn also wrote about Cooke in her book Broken Lives.

Cooke's victims included Jillian Macpherson Brewer, 22; Brian Weir, 29; John Sturkey, 19; George Walmsley, 54; Shirley Martha McLeod, 18; Constance Lucy Madrill, 24; Patricia Vinico Berkman, 33; and Rosemary Anderson, 17. As his crimes were opportunistic and used varying methods, and his victims shared no obvious common traits, predicting where he would strike and catching him was difficult.

Cooke's killing spree involved a series of seemingly unrelated hit-and-runs, stabbings, stranglings, and shootings. Victims were shot with different rifles, stabbed with knives and scissors, and hit with an axe. Several were killed after waking up as Cooke was robbing their homes, two were shot while sleeping without their homes being disturbed, and one was shot dead after answering a knock on the door. After stabbing one victim, Cooke got lemonade from the refrigerator and sat on the veranda drinking it. One victim was strangled to death with the cord from a bedside lamp

Cooke may not fit the definition of a true Serial Killer as he shot killed 5 people in one day. His other victims were over a period of time and involved similar types of offending. He also confessed to 14 attempted murders. He may well fall into a Thrill Kill category of Serial Killers.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Most serial killers* have a 'type' of victim - Ted Bundy is the poster boy for this - and criminal psychologists will usually ascribe it to some deep-seated rage issues. Hated his mother, considers the elderly disgusting, whatever. My impression of Cooke (I also do a mean Rodney Dangerfield) is that he just hated everyone. If he had a chance to kill you he'd absolutely try and take it, with no preference for how. Rosemary Anderson, John Button's girlfriend, for example was run over by Cooke as she walked along the side of the road at night. He saw an opportunity, he took it. I think he's absolutely terrifying and I'm glad he was dead long before I was born.

Most of the stuff out there on him seems to focus on the impact his crimes had on his victims, the wrongful convictions and the impact he had on Perth generally. I think it'd be fascinating to look at him from a more criminological perspective, work out what made him this way. I know Cloudstreet attributes it to the death of his child, but I'd like something more in-depth than a small section of a fiction book.

*pre-meditated anyway, excluding spree killers.

 

[GreyCrow]

Most serial killers* have a 'type' of victim - Ted Bundy is the poster boy for this - and criminal psychologists will usually ascribe it to some deep-seated rage issues. Hated his mother, considers the elderly disgusting, whatever. My impression of Cooke (I also do a mean Rodney Dangerfield) is that he just hated everyone. If he had a chance to kill you he'd absolutely try and take it, with no preference for how. Rosemary Anderson, John Button's girlfriend, for example was run over by Cooke as she walked along the side of the road at night. He saw an opportunity, he took it. I think he's absolutely terrifying and I'm glad he was dead long before I was born.

Most of the stuff out there on him seems to focus on the impact his crimes had on his victims, the wrongful convictions and the impact he had on Perth generally. I think it'd be fascinating to look at him from a more criminological perspective, work out what made him this way. I know Cloudstreet attributes it to the death of his child, but I'd like something more in-depth than a small section of a fiction book.

*pre-meditated anyway, excluding spree killers.

Cooke hated women more as all his individual victims , murders and hit runs and assaults were all female. His spree killings were whoever was in his sights.

 

[BILC]

The East Area Rapist/Originial Night Stalker is by far the most nightmare inducing case I've ever looked into.

For anyone interested in true crime you should check out the Casefile podcasts 5 part series on this guy, probably the best podcasts I've ever listened to.

He also does an amazing series on the Yorkshire Ripper and a heap of other cases.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

The East Area Rapist/Originial Night Stalker is by far the most nightmare inducing case I've ever looked into.

For anyone interested in true crime you should check out the Casefile podcasts 5 part series on this guy, probably the best podcasts I've ever listened to.

He also does an amazing series on the Yorkshire Ripper and a heap of other cases.

Is this the dude that stacked plates on the husbands?

 

[BILC]

Is this the dude that stacked plates on the husbands?

Yep that's him.

 

[Shell]

Most serial killers* have a 'type' of victim - Ted Bundy is the poster boy for this - and criminal psychologists will usually ascribe it to some deep-seated rage issues. Hated his mother, considers the elderly disgusting, whatever..

Do you think Adrian Bayley would have kept killing had he not been caught (obviously he would have kept raping women)- iirc the police says he would have.

He also had a massive issues with women, obviously.

 

[twarby]

The East Area Rapist/Originial Night Stalker is by far the most nightmare inducing case I've ever looked into.

For anyone interested in true crime you should check out the Casefile podcasts 5 part series on this guy, probably the best podcasts I've ever listened to.

He also does an amazing series on the Yorkshire Ripper and a heap of other cases.

just started part 5 on this, truly terrifying stuff.
plenty of forums around to lose hours in too.

 

[BILC]

Do you think Adrian Bayley would have kept killing had he not been caught (obviously he would have kept raping women)- iirc the police says he would have.

He also had a massive issues with women, obviously.

With a recidivist like him he almost certainly would've kept offending. Generally the only way a person like him would stop if there was a major turning point or life event (e.g nearly getting caught, new partner, children)

 

[Hard Ball Get]

The East Area Rapist/Originial Night Stalker is by far the most nightmare inducing case I've ever looked into.

For anyone interested in true crime you should check out the Casefile podcasts 5 part series on this guy, probably the best podcasts I've ever listened to.

He also does an amazing series on the Yorkshire Ripper and a heap of other cases.

His podcasts are terrific.

 

[vast]

The East Area Rapist/Originial Night Stalker is by far the most nightmare inducing case I've ever looked into.

For anyone interested in true crime you should check out the Casefile podcasts 5 part series on this guy, probably the best podcasts I've ever listened to.

He also does an amazing series on the Yorkshire Ripper and a heap of other cases.

You would have to be able to sleep in the first place in order to have nightmares about him.
The bumps in the night where a little louder the night I first read about his crimes.

 

[Shell]

With a recidivist like him he almost certainly would've kept offending. Generally the only way a person like him would stop if there was a major turning point or life event (e.g nearly getting caught, new partner, children)

Well he already had kids (and a partner) so that wouldn't have had any effect probably.

Just so thankful he was pretty shit at the first murder he ever did, so there wasn't any more.

 

[vast]

Well he already had kids (and a partner) so that wouldn't have had any effect probably.

Just so thankful he was pretty shit at the first murder he ever did, so there wasn't any more.

Never should have happened.

They know which criminals are beyond rehabilitation, twice or 3 times convicted of violent rapes and admitted in court about lying to psychologists and courts about his remorse but they just let him out again.

Could have at least been put in that mental hospital that is basically a jail but I suppose those in charge were ok with another rape or 2.
Its unfair to blame individuals but seriously change the ****ing system.

 

[Shell]

Never should have happened.

They know which criminals are beyond rehabilitation, twice or 3 times convicted of violent rapes and admitted in court about lying to psychologists and courts about his remorse but they just let him out again.

Could have at least been put in that mental hospital that is basically a jail but I suppose those in charge were ok with another rape or 2.
Its unfair to blame individuals but seriously change the ******* system.

Mate you don't have to tell me- of course it shouldnt have happened.

If I was in charge he would have gotten 20 years for those rapes he did- minimum. The bastard barely served 1.5 years for each rape he committed.

Oh yeah and not to mention the parole violation- breaking someone's jaw.