Sexual Misconduct in Hollywood (+ now Australia!) - All individuals combined

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So you don’t think genuinely loving fathers who have been eaten up and spat out by the CSA and family court system, and as a result find themselves drifting to the extreme end of some of these men’s rights groups are just straight out misogynist pigs do you?

Your world view is that black and white is it?
 

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So you don’t think genuinely loving fathers who have been eaten up and spat out by the CSA and family court system, and as a result find themselves drifting to the extreme end of some of these men’s rights groups are just straight out misogynist pigs do you?

Your world view is that black and white is it?
Hating all women for the actions of one woman isn't logical.

Assuming because one woman in your life lied that all women are liars isn't logical.

Extremism is exactly that, extreme. You talk about black and white but you're the one that sees women as enemies
 

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Hating all women for the actions of one woman isn't logical.

Assuming because one woman in your life lied that all women are liars isn't logical.

Extremism is exactly that, extreme. You talk about black and white but you're the one that sees women as enemies
Far worse when our legal system sees men as the enemy.

You know... driving men to suicide vs men mouthing off on social media...
 

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Hating all women for the actions of one woman isn't logical.

Assuming because one woman in your life lied that all women are liars isn't logical.

Extremism is exactly that, extreme. You talk about black and white but you're the one that sees women as enemies
It’s not just one women these men are seeing though is it?

It’s having to deal with the CSA and the definitely non ‘patricharchal’ family court, the daily barrage of bullshit in the media from the Clem Fords, the Van Badham’s, the Jessica Valenti’s of this world etc ....now this #me too etc.

Good men don’t just go bad. They are made bad.
 

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So you don’t think genuinely loving fathers who have been eaten up and spat out by the CSA and family court system, and as a result find themselves drifting to the extreme end of some of these men’s rights groups are just straight out misogynist pigs do you?

Your world view is that black and white is it?
What’s the difference for women who have been cheated by the system then? You’ve been banging on about two wrongs etc. but you totally ignore how the legal system has been failing women who are raped, harassed and abused forever.

FWIW I think your argument is ridiculous, a handful of guys (you keep insinuating it’s some crazy epidemic of men getting accused) with multiple accusations get stood down (most after investigations or admissions) and all of a sudden the system is failing you and it’s a witch hunt, but if you want to persist with it then don’t ignore how the reverse is even more overwhelmingly evident.
 

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It’s not just one women these men are seeing though is it?

It’s having to deal with the CSA and the definitely non ‘patricharchal’ family court, the daily barrage of bullshit in the media from the Clem Fords, the Van Badham’s, the Jessica Valenti’s of this world etc ....now this #me too etc.

Good men don’t just go bad. They are made bad.
so your excuse for men's violent behavior towards women is the family court and Clem Ford?
They lost their kids in a custody battle so all women should pay?
They had to read from a woman about how male dominated society has been stepping on the necks of women for years so they better go out and step on some necks?

Welcome to two wrongs don't make a right.

Yes there are good dads who have been screwed over by the system, there are good mums who have been screwed over by the system as well. The system is human and flawed and there will be people of either gender willing to lie to get the best outcome for them.

That's not a reason to hate everyone different to you. It might be a reason to go out and try and change the system though.

Far worse when our legal system sees men as the enemy.

You know... driving men to suicide vs men mouthing off on social media...
Male suicide isn't the fault of the legal system, the culture issues around depression and men is a far wider cultural issue, just like the stigma attached to being a sexual assault victim, you know the one where you are seen as some how being to blame for what happened to you by many.
 

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Male suicide isn't the fault of the legal system, the culture issues around depression and men is a far wider cultural issue, just like the stigma attached to being a sexual assault victim, you know the one where you are seen as some how being to blame for what happened to you by many.
So the far higher numbers of divorced men committing suicide after getting shafted out of their money and access to children via the courts is a cultural issue?

Interesting take.
 

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So the far higher numbers of divorced men committing suicide after getting shafted out of their money and access to children via the courts is a cultural issue?

Interesting take.
Yes I do. I think that the fact that suicide rates among men are 3 times higher than suicide rates among women points to a wider issue than blaming family courts and women for men's suicide.
I also think it is way off topic for this thread which is meant to be about sexual misconduct in the entertainment industry
 
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