SFL Div One 2013

[Cousin Tiger]

Spot on Super, dogs are barking and if you look at their structure you can understand why.
- Strong List both 1's and 2's; good numbers in the colts and performing well; some stunning net ballers [ go you good things ]; player payments on the mid to lower scale; good helpers around the club, although Shawey could do with some help on the bar; Have now got back their oval from Old Hails; Electronic score board on the horizon; Ground surface the best in the comp at the moment;
Could achieve the 4 cups at the end of the season ?

I'll agree on the netballer part only because my better half plays.

Biggest issue i'm finding at the moment on the committee is getting enough volunteers/helpers to shoulder the load of running a club from day to day.

Ken Shaw is the epitomy of a "working class President", whether it be the bbq, bar, setting up, match day footballs, canteen.........Ken does it all and without people like him, clubs don't function properly.

 

[Dannerz]

Biggest issue i'm finding at the moment on the committee is getting enough volunteers/helpers to shoulder the load of running a club from day to day.

You will find this is the same dilemma at EVERY football club. Most players aren't aware of the amount of work (and money) required to run a football club.

 

[JustAnotherMembe]

You will find this is the same dilemma at EVERY football club. Most players aren't aware of the amount of work (and money) required to run a football club.

EXACTLY!

 

[TheKoach]

You'd be surprised if i told you figures but i'm obviously not going to.

All i will say is the player payments are at the lowest they have been for years. Hard to fathom i know, but obviously jobs via Merkon etc assist us with this.

Seeing as you never pay anyone and everyone's mates and loves the club the players must be paying stpauls to play this year

 

[HardWork]

Bit harsh on the Tunners. They are celebrating their 100th year. Fair Effort. Also had a tough start to the year. St Pauls, Dingley and East Brighton in the opening 3 rounds. At this stage they all appear to be top 3. They did ask to go down to Division 2 along with Highett pre season but no one in Divvy 2 wanted to step up. Battling times for a lot of clubs. Good luck to St Pauls, they have picked the right year to have a crack at a flag. Whilst they have improved 10-20% the rest of the teams appeared to have gone backwards 10%.

This comment about no Div 2 clubs going up is an absolute crock. I have good friend who is a President at one of the teams that finished in the top few last year and they were definitely not ever approached ( I don't think they woul have gone up anyway) the league made no such enquiries. I totally agree that the league maybe should have put half as much effort into some of these existing teams before riding the CPL bandwagon.

 

[Raging Rhino]

This comment about no Div 2 clubs going up is an absolute crock. I have good friend who is a President at one of the teams that finished in the top few last year and they were definitely not ever approached ( I don't think they woul have gone up anyway) the league made no such enquiries. I totally agree that the league maybe should have put half as much effort into some of these existing teams before riding the CPL bandwagon.

You start out your post by saying it is an absolute crock and then you say they probably would not have gone up anyway. ????? Exactly what I said in my post. You have a good friend of the President of one of the clubs. I know a mates sisters aunty who is married to her cousins nephew who is from Heatherton and that's what he was told.

 

[Cousin Tiger]

Seeing as you never pay anyone and everyone's mates and loves the club the players must be paying stpauls to play this year

Yep, subs are due by round 6

 

[Blood Stained Angels]

Well we had another debacle on the weekend with another completely mismatched game.
Crowd was down, no atmosphere, one team going through training drills, the other just wondering what the hell they can do ????? I'll give them some credit though, they kept trying and didn't toss it in.
How can a Div 1 side not manage to kick a goal ?
Is the difference from Div 2 that much ? It obviously is so lets hope the league understands and starts planning something for next season !!!!!!!!

 

[Fish 20]

Well we had another debacle on the weekend with another completely mismatched game.
Crowd was down, no atmosphere, one team going through training drills, the other just wondering what the hell they can do ????? I'll give them some credit though, they kept trying and didn't toss it in.
How can a Div 1 side not manage to kick a goal ?
Is the difference from Div 2 that much ? It obviously is so lets hope the league understands and starts planning something for next season !!!!!!!!

Where's Simon Hart?? Basically won the GF for East Malvern last year off his own boot. They're really missing him by the looks of things

 

[Blood Stained Angels]

This comment about no Div 2 clubs going up is an absolute crock. I have good friend who is a President at one of the teams that finished in the top few last year and they were definitely not ever approached ( I don't think they woul have gone up anyway) the league made no such enquiries. I totally agree that the league maybe should have put half as much effort into some of these existing teams before riding the CPL bandwagon.

My previous concerns with the difference between Div 1 & Div 2 is obvious, but i'm led to believe that the league is hoping for a certain club to perform well this season and regardless whether or not they play in the GF they will be given the option of coming up to Div -1.
Reasons why - Good ground, good amenities, good player numbers, good junior program, solid committee, great history.
Are they prepared for the challenge ?
Would they only come up if they won the flag ?
Would they be competitive ?
Have they got the budget for Div -1 ?
The league cannot wait for CPL ?

 

[Blood Stained Angels]

Where's Simon Hart?? Basically won the GF for East Malvern last year off his own boot. They're really missing him by the looks of things

Yeah Fish, we were asking the same question and was looking forward to watching him go around.
Was told by the water boy that he's not playing this season, big loss if its true ?????????

 

[Dannerz]

I think it would be in the league's best interests, IF it continues adding new clubs or attracting clubs from other leagues, is to go to 4 divisions. You would probably need 32 teams for this to be feasible.

Having 4 x 8-team divisions would lessen the difference in the quality of football the promoted side would have to face. This would give teams a much higher chance of staying up the year after a premiership, and really consolidate their position, then allowing them to push for a flag in a year or 2.

 

[Moody Blue]

I think it would be in the league's best interests, IF it continues adding new clubs or attracting clubs from other leagues, is to go to 4 divisions. You would probably need 32 teams for this to be feasible.

Having 4 x 8-team divisions would lessen the difference in the quality of football the promoted side would have to face. This would give teams a much higher chance of staying up the year after a premiership, and really consolidate their position, then allowing them to push for a flag in a year or 2.

Ease up Dannerz, you are making sense. You can't do that. Much to everyone's surprise Oakleigh Districts are doing well in Div 2 despite their offseason turmoil. Mordialloc are going along quietly and will be up there.Skye has an impressive set up as does Bentleigh, so there is a lot of potential in Div 2. It is how all this is handled and monitored at the end of the season which is crucial. Heatherton & Highett should go down and whether play an 8 team competition or take the punt and select the two grand finalists. Unfortunately some clubs prefer to be a big fish in a small pond i.e Mt Waverley, or they take it on board like Caulfield and have a real go. Let CPL find their own way and do not force them to play when they are not ready. You would have to wonder what Keysborough is upto. They are getting smashed in the Cardinia league and you just have to question what they are going to achieve playing in that competition? You only have to look at Dingley and how they are travelling as a club to see the SFC has been good for them. Keysborough would go straight into Div 2 and then you would have a very strong competition with a lot of hungry clubs. Could even go to 12 teams one day, but that would be down the track. The big problem is bridging that gap in the first season. Probably need to improve by 25-30% to be competitive, which is a big ask.This is where some of the highly paid Executives in concert with Football Victoria should start using their business management skills and formulate something that could work.

 

[Fish 20]

Agree, Keysborough are wasting their time in Casey Cardinia. Time for them to make the move to the SFL, its long overdue. If it were me I'd rather win a few games a year than get beaten every week

 

[FittieHawk]

also think that hampton park should bite the bullet and come over too the sfl.

 

[Raging Rhino]

Agree, Keysborough are wasting their time in Casey Cardinia. Time for them to make the move to the SFL, its long overdue. If it were me I'd rather win a few games a year than get beaten every week

I think everyone would agree, the SFL needs to come up with some sort of proposal to entice Keysy, Hampton Park and even the Chelsea Seagulls across from the MPNFL. It's more viable than creating new clubs like Carrum Patterson Lakes who are surrounded up 6 other clubs and unlikely to survive long term. Best thing Dingley ever did was changing leagues. Clubs was on it's knees, crowds were at there lowest. I really don't think supporters care what the standard of footy is as long as their club is doing well off field and are competetive on field.

 

[bigwilly]

I think everyone would agree, the SFL needs to come up with some sort of proposal to entice Keysy, Hampton Park and even the Chelsea Seagulls across from the MPNFL. It's more viable than creating new clubs like Carrum Patterson Lakes who are surrounded up 6 other clubs and unlikely to survive long term. Best thing Dingley ever did was changing leagues. Clubs was on it's knees, crowds were at there lowest. I really don't think supporters care what the standard of footy is as long as their club is doing well off field and are competetive on field.

CPL has a junior program so are therefore in a lot stronger position than some others.

Not in the leagues best interests but Heatherton are better off merging with Dingley. I understand that interests at both clubs would not allow this to happen, But using Parkdale as an example, although they are in VAFA, 10 years on they are flying.

I couldn't see Chelsea Seagulls moving. Pretty big history in MPNFL and some big local rivalries which bring solid paying crowds

I agree that the SFL should chase Keysborough pretty hard, and considering the coin that Keysy have paid over the last decade for very moderate success, surely they would have to be open to the idea

The other team I would suggest is trying to get Canterbury back into the league, They played in Div 3 GF in 2008 and have hardly won a game since leaving for EFL Div 4 in 2009

 

[Raging Rhino]

CPL has a junior program so are therefore in a lot stronger position than some others.

Not in the leagues best interests but Heatherton are better off merging with Dingley. I understand that interests at both clubs would not allow this to happen, But using Parkdale as an example, although they are in VAFA, 10 years on they are flying.

I couldn't see Chelsea Seagulls moving. Pretty big history in MPNFL and some big local rivalries which bring solid paying crowds

I agree that the SFL should chase Keysborough pretty hard, and considering the coin that Keysy have paid over the last decade for very moderate success, surely they would have to be open to the idea

The other team I would suggest is trying to get Canterbury back into the league, They played in Div 3 GF in 2008 and have hardly won a game since leaving for EFL Div 4 in 2009

No offence to Division 3 teams, but the league needs to attract clubs that will compete in Divvy 1 or at least be finalists in Divvy 2. The stronger Division 1 is the stronger the rest of the comp will be. Even with strong juniors I can see CPL battling in Divvy 3 for years. And when Luco leaves/retires in a couple of years, Fitcher, Williams, Hynes ect will all follow.

 

[Nos_4r2]

There is no point paying out for developing CPL because CPL was going to happen sooner or later.

Carrum has been looking to get a senior club up and running again for the last 7 years. With teams ranging from Under 9s - Under 19s and then Over 35s and Over 40s, there has always been a gap there that screamed out for a senior football club.

Years on and the juniors are not fielding an Under 16s team this year, this because players are starting to realise that they had no senior future at Carrum and left for the surrounding clubs when they were 15 and 16 and getting into the transision stage of senior footy. With that not being the case anymore you will find that the juniors will be stronger for it and will be able to feed in a healthy amount of players into the senior club in years to come and keep the club humming along even when the players of today decide to hang up their boots.

You need to remember that the Carrum FC were a strong club for 85 years even with the likes of Chelsea, Seaford, EdiAsp and Bonbeach always surrounding the club, with the demographics having changed from what they once were you will find the area is in a better position to field a club now then ever before.

But in saying that I don't think the SFL should hold their breath waiting for CPL, Hallam or Endeavour Hills to become stronger clubs. With the league the way it is now, action needs to taken alot sooner and that means approaching existing clubs to come over.

Clubs the league should look at:
Keysborough
Hampton Park
Devon Meadows
Canterbury
South Melbourne Dist
Beaumaris
Parkdale

Some maybe more viable then others and some may have rejected us before but it wouldnt hurt approaching these clubs again and seeing if the prospect of coming to the SFL would be open to discussion and asking them what it would take to get them over.

As for MPNFL peninsula clubs...not a chance in hell of any of those clubs ever leaving that league. You will find that all peninsula league clubs having been apart of the MPNFL since inception and even played each other in the leagues that combined to form the MPNFL prior to its inception. Chelsea would never join a league unless is had Seaford and Edi-Asp already in it.

 

[superfreak]

Hey guys, just thought I would post this here to gain some support...

Dear members, players and supporters of the Cheltenham Football Club.​

As many of you will be aware, at the end of the 2013 season, Jack Barker Oval was scheduled to undergo a refurbishment which included a badly needed re-surfacing of the oval.​

Today we have been informed that the Bayside Council have decided to with​

draw the $800,000 in funds needed to upgrade the playing surface (along with multiple other grassroots sporting venues in the area) and given the entire fund to Sandringham FC.

The decision to remove funding from the grassroots sporting clubs in the Bayside area who boast over 1200 participants to benefit a professional sporting club (who only have 56 participants), along with PAID employees, is a kick in the teeth to the hardworking volunteers and players at the community clubs throughout the municipality.

There will be a petition sent around by both the Cheltenham Football Club & Cheltenham Cricket Club, as well as a number of other clubs in the area who have also fallen victim to this decision.

We ask that when distributed, as many people sign it as possible, to help show the council, that decisions such as this aren't appreciated within the community in which they are elected to serve.

Please continue to check in at www.cheltenhamfc.com.au for further updates.

Thank you and go Rosellas!!​

 

[JustAnotherMembe]

That is pretty average. Seems to be standard for te Bayside council though really.

The Kingston council has been pretty good to us clubs in that region.



Maybe see if you can get that petition to at least all the other 1st div clubs?

 

[Fish 20]

Sounds pretty dodgy to me Superfreak. Someone at the Zebras must be on Bayside council or know someone to take the whole $800K??
It its one thing that the Glen Eira council is good at, its looking after its reserves & facilites & spreading the finances. Most grounds in the area have been resurfaced over the last few years & now it seems they're moving onto upgrading the shower rooms, judging by our upgrade & Murrumbeena's rooms

 

[Sphynx]

There is no point paying out for developing CPL because CPL was going to happen sooner or later.

Carrum has been looking to get a senior club up and running again for the last 7 years. With teams ranging from Under 9s - Under 19s and then Over 35s and Over 40s, there has always been a gap there that screamed out for a senior football club.

Years on and the juniors are not fielding an Under 16s team this year, this because players are starting to realise that they had no senior future at Carrum and left for the surrounding clubs when they were 15 and 16 and getting into the transision stage of senior footy. With that not being the case anymore you will find that the juniors will be stronger for it and will be able to feed in a healthy amount of players into the senior club in years to come and keep the club humming along even when the players of today decide to hang up their boots.

You need to remember that the Carrum FC were a strong club for 85 years even with the likes of Chelsea, Seaford, EdiAsp and Bonbeach always surrounding the club, with the demographics having changed from what they once were you will find the area is in a better position to field a club now then ever before.

But in saying that I don't think the SFL should hold their breath waiting for CPL, Hallam or Endeavour Hills to become stronger clubs. With the league the way it is now, action needs to taken alot sooner and that means approaching existing clubs to come over.

Clubs the league should look at:
Keysborough
Hampton Park
Devon Meadows
Canterbury
South Melbourne Dist
Beaumaris
Parkdale

Some maybe more viable then others and some may have rejected us before but it wouldnt hurt approaching these clubs again and seeing if the prospect of coming to the SFL would be open to discussion and asking them what it would take to get them over.

As for MPNFL peninsula clubs...not a chance in hell of any of those clubs ever leaving that league. You will find that all peninsula league clubs having been apart of the MPNFL since inception and even played each other in the leagues that combined to form the MPNFL prior to its inception. Chelsea would never join a league unless is had Seaford and Edi-Asp already in it.

Beaumaris? Honestly really?

Honestly, after moving over to SFL from a few of the other major comp's a few years ago, people in the SFL really have their head in the sand as to how strong some of these clubs really are. Understandable, you never played or watched their comp's and probably never played juniors against these sides. (Apart from the likes of Dingly, Bentleigh etc)

You think St Paul's is going alright? Beaumaris is flying in A-grade VAFA at the moment, St Pauls wouldn't get within 10 goals of them, let alone what they'd do to the rest of the competition atm. They have a huge junior program that churns out TAC Cup players and private school football scholarships every year.

Parkdale is flying because along with Mordi to a lesser extent, they gutted the u/19's and 2nd's of one of the strongest clubs in the country in terms of junior numbers (St Bedes/Mentone).

Keysborough is a fantstic idea, they are 5 minutes from Dingly and Chelsea Heights, have decent coin and a decent ground and are playing against the likes of Berwick etc every week. I think it's alot more realistic.

As for people critising CPL, I don't really understand it? We all want a strong competition, but having absolutely nothing to do with CPL, even I can see they are fantastic for the competition, and will be in Div 1 sooner rather than later. They have an excellent junior program to rival the likes of Chelsea Seagulls, Edi/Asp, Seaford etc and once the senior side is up and established in 4 or 5 years, will have no real need to bring in big $$$ signings. They can develop their own.

They have a sustainable model, which alot of the Div 1 SFL sides completely lack.

The problem with alot of the Div 1 sides are all from the embrionic stages. So many of them have no junior system at all, only a colts side which is reliant on poaching kids from nearby u/17 sides, which rarely happens.

These clubs need to change their focus', stop forking out 15-20k a year on drug addicted, piss head has been, lat 20's "local stars", and either attack the u/19 system of the VAFA where you can realistically get good value for money (Like Mordi has) or invest it in trying to start up u/9,u/10's, etc etc.

The juniors setup is obviously short term pain and the less glorious option, but it would make the competition infinately stronger.

 

[Fish 20]

Beaumaris: crazy even to mention their name
Parkdale: The horse has bolted here, should've offered them SFL Div 1 entry with the proposal to start with when they were in D1 Ammos. They'll be in VAFA A Section by the time you can say 2015
Ormond: The door's now bolted shut - pity, would've thought if Holdsworth was still SFL prez may have got them across.

IMO the league needs to target outside teams who can slot into SFL Div 1 & 2 rather than teams that will make up numbers in Div 3. So yes to Keysborough, Hampton Park, South Melbourne.

Canterbury not so much for mine & Devon Meadows aren't exactly local.

Glen Eira Saints anyone?? Struggling in VAFA D1 but they're local & with a switch to the SFL it could help with their recuiting for those who dislike the travel factor. Beena & Caulfield could have a derby

 

[Moody Blue]

Clubs the league should look at:
Keysborough: Yes they would be an excellent fit.
Hampton Park: Probably starting to poach from another league.Don't want to get involved in this.
Devon Meadows: Same as above
Canterbury: Left SFL because their area is the Eastern Suburbs. Leave them be.
South Melbourne Dist: No ambition left at South. Happy to be inner suburb greenies.
Beaumaris: Sphynx summed it up perfectly, however don't agree with him that St Paul's would not get within 10 goals. He may be surprised, but we will never know. Beaumaris has always loved the open spaces their ground affords. Not sure they like the tighter confines where it gets up close and personal.
Parkdale: Certain members will tell you that they are committed to the Ammo's. There are a group who would love to get back into the SFL and the local rivalries.Nothing more depressing in the Ammos then getting stuck in a Division for a few years, travelling all over the place and then getting relegated. Ask Bentleigh. Give it three years and they could come a knocking.