SFL Div One 2013

[Cousin Tiger]

CT, what i find interesting is that as soon as the virtues of recruiting Bruno and all of the other high priced recruits are called into question you deflect the argument and question Dingley's wage bill!!!
Our wage bill is where it is because we have had to reward our young kids that have come through the system and to keep the other clubs that have not looked after their kids from knocking on their door. The Club that hosted last years Div 1 Finals are offering upto 300 a game for a couple of 19 year olds. Do they have the cash or is it just a ploy to get them across and then let them down mid season?

Good on Dingley for rewarding the young fellas. It's important to keep them at the club.

I just think 108k is quite a bit of money and an interesting discussion point. Happy for B2B to talk about St Pauls till the cows come home, obviously more concerned about other clubs that own backyard.

If Dingley can pay 108k to players/coaches and still do alright financially for the year then they are in a good position to challenge top 4 spots on a regular basis. That's the main point for mine.

 

[backtoback08]

Good on Dingley for rewarding the young fellas. It's important to keep them at the club.

I just think 108k is quite a bit of money and an interesting discussion point. Happy for B2B to talk about St Pauls till the cows come home, obviously more concerned about other clubs that own backyard.

If Dingley can pay 108k to players/coaches and still do alright financially for the year then they are in a good position to challenge top 4 spots on a regular basis. That's the main point for mine.

Tiger,tiger,tiger thought you had more dash , although I do love the way you swept it all under the carpet. History will tell your if not spending 100 plus you realistically cant expect to win gf its just the way it works,
I can tell you I couldnt give a continental about st pauls all the respect I had for that club went out the window. Good luck to Dingley what they do is there. Mate I am than working on getting city back into the finals, I mean we missed out this year by a game, after 4 grannys and a prelim cant be to greedy!
Lets sort it out on the field cant wait for the fixture jays new nickname is "BJ" ie goddard

 

[backtoback08]

Miscommunication there, few emails were sent but confusion as to who was meant to attend.

gotta love it

 

[Cousin Tiger]

gotta love it

It happens.

 

[Cousin Tiger]

Tiger,tiger,tiger thought you had more dash , although I do love the way you swept it all under the carpet. History will tell your if not spending 100 plus you realistically cant expect to win gf its just the way it works,
I can tell you I couldnt give a continental about st pauls all the respect I had for that club went out the window. Good luck to Dingley what they do is there. Mate I am than working on getting city back into the finals, I mean we missed out this year by a game, after 4 grannys and a prelim cant be to greedy!
Lets sort it out on the field cant wait for the fixture jays new nickname is "BJ" ie goddard

That's where it always should be decided.

 

[perspective]

Cousin St Pauls have had a history of not turning up at important meetings. If Mercs senior decided to spend his money elsewhere the club may as well consider 2nd or 3rd Divvy. They are a good team but a very poor club City have well and truly passed them in that regard, Rod and his family held the place together and now with Cotts and Webb it seems to be running well. They now look to the youngsters coming through and complement them very well with some valuable experience.

 

[Cousin Tiger]

Cousin St Pauls have had a history of not turning up at important meetings. If Mercs senior decided to spend his money elsewhere the club may as well consider 2nd or 3rd Divvy. They are a good team but a very poor club City have well and truly passed them in that regard, Rod and his family held the place together and now with Cotts and Webb it seems to be running well. They now look to the youngsters coming through and complement them very well with some valuable experience.

Perspective, not having a go at City off the field, never questioned them in regards to the running day to day/administration of the club so not sure why you feel the need to form a comparison.

St Pauls have had a lot of changes in the committee with a lot of them being fairly new to the processes etc (including myself).

The administration side is probably our real major weakness which we are working on, but I wouldn't say as a whole we are a 'poor club', as we still manage to put on the bar, canteen etc and provide generally a good day at the footy. Coaching/Training wise we are extremely well structured with plenty of resources available.

If Merkon wasn't involved in the club (fyi this will NEVER be the case), then we would still be Div 1 IMO.

 

[perspective]

Fair enough Cousin, glad you are on Committee they need help. Perhaps an idea could be for Mercon to take some space at SFL HQ ( 1 office) and employ a person for 3 hours a day to administer the club, I know they have tried a couple of times with a resource but they were not the right people, or evn better partner up with a 2nd or 3rd div clkub and have the 1 person administer both clubs, share the cost... 9

 

[Cousin Tiger]

Fair enough Cousin, glad you are on Committee they need help. Perhaps an idea could be for Mercon to take some space at SFL HQ ( 1 office) and employ a person for 3 hours a day to administer the club, I know they have tried a couple of times with a resource but they were not the right people, or evn better partner up with a 2nd or 3rd div clkub and have the 1 person administer both clubs, share the cost... 9

Very valid points.

Our AGM is next week, so I will certainly raise the point about full time admin. Sometimes too much gets left to so few and people get pressed for time.

Between grants, ground allocations etc with the council I find it pretty time consuming.

 

[The Muse]

How anyone could have a crack at St. Pauls is somewhat puzzling. If there is a certainty in SFL Division 1 it's that St.Pauls will play finals. They haven't missed since 2005, have won 2 flags and played off 6 times in 12 years. Their Reserves have won flags and they have a more than competitive Colts. They have never been relegated and not even been close. If attending meetings is a criteria for being a successful club well I have missed something. Football Clubs are there to win games of football and St.Pauls do that with a consistency unmatched in the SFL and that, my friend Perspective, is what it is all about!

 

[backtoback08]

How anyone could have a crack at St. Pauls is somewhat puzzling. If there is a certainty in SFL Division 1 it's that St.Pauls will play finals. They haven't missed since 2005, have won 2 flags and played off 6 times in 12 years. Their Reserves have won flags and they have a more than competitive Colts. They have never been relegated and not even been close. If attending meetings is a criteria for being a successful club well I have missed something. Football Clubs are there to win games of football and St.Pauls do that with a consistency unmatched in the SFL and that, my friend Perspective, is what it is all about!

no doubt a successful club, but when you have a person willing to back your club year after year and also employ people in his business , its very hard to go backwards or not stay around the mark.

 

[TheKoach]

no doubt a successful club, but when you have a person willing to back your club year after year and also employ people in his business , its very hard to go backwards or not stay around the mark.

St. Paul's don't pay they play for the love of the club and their mates

 

[perspective]

Muse you have missed something lose Merc and you will struggle. if you think being a successful club is winning games you are wrong that is being a successful team NOT club!! Your admin has been one of the worst in the 3 divisions are the Board of the SFL, anyone of them will tell you that if Mercs did not write the cheques at the last minute you would have been just like Black Rock - not playing for points let alone winning games....Ask Smithy he will not lie to you..

 

[Cousin Tiger]

Muse you have missed something lose Merc and you will struggle. if you think being a successful club is winning games you are wrong that is being a successful team NOT club!! Your admin has been one of the worst in the 3 divisions are the Board of the SFL, anyone of them will tell you that if Mercs did not write the cheques at the last minute you would have been just like Black Rock - not playing for points let alone winning games....Ask Smithy he will not lie to you..

Perspective, Muse isn't from St Pauls, just an outsider giving his/her opinion.

Merc isn't the only person supporting the club, many others work behind the scenes to ensure we operate as a club now and into the future. Not just time/effort but financially also.

Admin hasn't been our strength, but fuucks sake if thats the main issue then who gives a shiit. Sounds like you are looking for any reason to have a dig at St Pauls.

I'd rather have my onfield shit sorted first rather than taking pride on the "admin" side.

 

[Fish 20]

Lets be honest, which club doesn't have a major financial backer. I know that our club would be stuffed without the Dimattina family.
*inserts shameless sponsor plug.....right about here:

No disrepect to Westpac, Bentleigh RSL, ONYX, John Barnes Co. Locksmiths, Abbest Constructions & Allamby Signs

 

[perspective]

I am not having a go at St Pauls there are some great blokes at the club and yes most clubs have a backer but most clubs attend important meetings too, and work with other clubs to build the league, and Muse's point about the only criteria for a good club is premierships has his head up his crack.

 

[Cousin Tiger]

I am not having a go at St Pauls there are some great blokes at the club and yes most clubs have a backer but most clubs attend important meetings too, and work with other clubs to build the league, and Muse's point about the only criteria for a good club is premierships has his head up his crack.

Agree onfield success isn't the only measure of being a good club. But we are far from being the worst in the SFL

 

[The Muse]

Muse you have missed something lose Merc and you will struggle. if you think being a successful club is winning games you are wrong that is being a successful team NOT club!! Your admin has been one of the worst in the 3 divisions are the Board of the SFL, anyone of them will tell you that if Mercs did not write the cheques at the last minute you would have been just like Black Rock - not playing for points let alone winning games....Ask Smithy he will not lie to you..

Last I looked Perspective the Club actually is responsible for fielding the team. Some supporters write cheques to support their club and Clubs are grateful as it enables them to be more competitive in most cases. Who gives a Rats where it comes from? If it is legal and not from ill gotten gains then good luck to them. At least the St.Pauls backers are there for the good of the club and it's teams success not for some personal ego trip that cant last. It's no secret amongst the larger SFL community who it is but you don't see anyone from the Doggies strolling around like their tish didn't stink. Personally I think anyone that is prepared to assist a club they support and love is commendable and pot shots at them or the club are really poor form mate!

 

[The Muse]

Further to my last post there are clubs that are interested in building the SFL, attend the "important" meetings and wallow around in 2nd and 3rd Division and have done for years. You want to improve the League? Attract better players and raise the standard which forces everyone else to follow suit and the standard of the football played raises the standard of the League.. It was disappointing that firstly, Noble Park went to Eastern beause that is exactly what they did to the SFL. It made it a better competition. Next in line was Balwyn who did exactly the same albeit originally from dubious resources but once Wilson got involved they were the benchmark. The similiarity between the 2 was simply better resources which they have maintained, both have won flags in the EFL recognized as the best metro league. I'm not sure what club you're with Perspective but your comments smack of petty jealousy. Attend your meetings mate but the best thing you can do for both your club and the SFL is win more games. It may be lost on you but to do that your club will have to improve and likewise the SFL as a result.

 

[perspective]

The clubs that attend the important league meetings are from every division you clown obviously you have not been to many. I am a supplier that does not belong to any club but sponsor the league slightly and your assumption that winning games is the cure to all problems is naive at best. Just ask Parkmore, oh thats right they folded after winning a premiership....Just step up like Cousin and help the club and maybe nominate to represent St Pauls at meetings that shape the future of the league. You guys did not even turn up to the meeting to decide Dovetons future, oh but thats right the second and third division clubs arent important in your book well get ready to join them if you are indicative of the St Pauls attitude...Again if Mercs did not present a cheque a day before the week ends games you would not have been playing for points on many occasions just ask him.. That is how much you rely on just one person. Without him ... mmmmm

 

[The Muse]

The clubs that attend the important league meetings are from every division you clown obviously you have not been to many. I am a supplier that does not belong to any club but sponsor the league slightly and your assumption that winning games is the cure to all problems is naive at best. Just ask Parkmore, oh thats right they folded after winning a premiership....Just step up like Cousin and help the club and maybe nominate to represent St Pauls at meetings that shape the future of the league. You guys did not even turn up to the meeting to decide Dovetons future, oh but thats right the second and third division clubs arent important in your book well get ready to join them if you are indicative of the St Pauls attitude...Again if Mercs did not present a cheque a day before the week ends games you would not have been playing for points on many occasions just ask him.. That is how much you rely on just one person. Without him ... mmmmm

Parkmore is a great example. The joint was in disarray prior to the alleged white knight buying a flag. After he left it was left with what it was...a rabble. They got a stay of execution through one bloke tipping in a heap to coach them which reinforces the importance of a good working committee which was not evident at Parkmore before, during and after his purchased tenure. Reflecting on what St.Pauls has achieved 13 finals series in 20 years, 2 Flags and 5 runners up shows consistency unmatched by any of the current clubs. If you're satisfied with social football for the guys to have a run around then fine but if you're serious about developing your club then on field success is the real yardstick. Just watch the attendances, sponsors and membership drop off when your team is getting belted every week. Just so happens that the backers at St.Pauls are serious about the clubs success and should be universally admired for the loyalty and longevity of their support. No one forces them!

 

[TheKoach]

2 flags from 7 chances would be unmatched
Would've been 1 from 7 had it not been for some serious cheating from the fat copper

 

[backtoback08]

2 flags from 7 chances would be unmatched
Would've been 1 from 7 had it not been for some serious cheating from the fat copper

Not the way id put it but agree with the angle your spinning ,think the count was 21 questionable decisions by one umpire i think he had bad day , anyway that history probably taught us a lesson not to challenge the league at footy vic and win!!!!!!!!!!

 

[backtoback08]

selfish footballer, played with injury throughout finals has been finished at divvy one level for 2 years, his inability to get near the ball in the gf was embarassing and best thing to happen to chelsea. Hasnt performed in one final since being at the club he is another mpnfl star to struggle in the confines of the sfl. I dont think chelsea needs a broken down professional cheerleader to take them to there next flag. if you want to wrap footballers have a go at ryan flack absolute champ and will be missed 20 times more than fitcher still in chelseas best in 2 finals and played on one leg and carried stone around as well lol. he is playing in divvy 3 because he was given his marching orders.

probably a fraction harsh on fitch dont know him personally but all reports a good fella, but the reality is in my time and against my club he has performed below average and was cleaned up by an 18yo in one GF, I also get frustratred by the so called aura mpnfl players have when they come to SFL many come and most go back with there egos dented, good luck to him but dont expect him to centre the ball if hes near the boundary lol. If i were chelsea heights id be doing everything in my power to get the little thick fella wearing number 5 out of retirement, LOL! Good lick to fitcher in divvy 3 he will dominate, maybe?

 

[JustAnotherMembe]

Did you just call Flacky Thick?!!!!!!

Oh you mean his legs..... Carry on.