SFL DIV3 2014

[Wax on wax off]

What about port colts ????

 

[Bounce the Ball]

Kaine listen to Daniel, you are one of the very few remaining that are still influenced by the ex coach that caused the issues. You conveniently forget that Doveton were given 3 chances back then, umpires refused to umpire games there and the SFL boss got death threats. But to Doveton and the leagues enormous credit they have turned everything around - well done.

As a player that played at this club and no longer plays Kaine is sort of right as the club were given a please explain by the league on racial comments made by the crowd at the finals and when they failed to respond within the timeframe set by the League they acted. The president at the time resigned and a new president put a case forward to the league which required all clubs to vote.

As for the other issue with the coach the league requested the coach to attend umpire training and spend time with, I think the Heatherton coach. The club refused for reasons that were put to the league and the league made the decision to write to the AFL asking for his coaching accreditation to be taken away due to his failure to comply which they did. This coach and assistants resigned and several weeks later the League were advised he was still coaching by an umpire because he was seen in the huddle at QTR time. The club denied he was still coaching as we were being coached by Paul Davis but League decided to go to the extreme and suspend the whole club. As for the death threat this was made by a player due to frustration in knowing what had occurred. This same player is very well respected both on and off the field and still plays today and played in the winning GF. As for the 3 chances don't believe everything you read.

Anyway I think that your new CEO and the board have handled this well so far given the situation and not via the media which was the way the previous CEO did things.

Back on to the Grand Final and I really feel for the players as they are the ones that will never have an outcome. In a GF there is always a winner and a loser and I can say having been lucky enough to play in both a winning and a losing GF the feeling stays with you forever.

I hope the clubs try and keep the same senior playing groups together to have a dip at it again next year

 

[tigris]

Back on to the Grand Final and I really feel for the players as they are the ones that will never have an outcome. In a GF there is always a winner and a loser and I can say having been lucky enough to play in both a winning and a losing GF the feeling stays with you forever.

Wow. Well said champ. From a player perspective from both cpl and mw, it must completely suck. I guess it would feel like a loss for all 44 players. Which definitely sucks, no one can deny that.

I feel the whole thing has been slandered from a supporter perspective, my feeling has always been for the 40 or so innocent players, I really feel terrible for them

 

[peter duncan]

That doesn't really make a lot of sense.

You would think that neither team would be promoted to Div 2 after the GF, meaning the most likely outcome is a ten team Div 2 in 2015 (Keysborough in and Moorabbin relegated) and an 11 team Div 3

 

[peter duncan]

so what happens to the investagion in to doveton and Moorabbin then

 

[perspective]

As a player that played at this club and no longer plays Kaine is sort of right as the club were given a please explain by the league on racial comments made by the crowd at the finals and when they failed to respond within the timeframe set by the League they acted. The president at the time resigned and a new president put a case forward to the league which required all clubs to vote.

As for the other issue with the coach the league requested the coach to attend umpire training and spend time with, I think the Heatherton coach. The club refused for reasons that were put to the league and the league made the decision to write to the AFL asking for his coaching accreditation to be taken away due to his failure to comply which they did. This coach and assistants resigned and several weeks later the League were advised he was still coaching by an umpire because he was seen in the huddle at QTR time. The club denied he was still coaching as we were being coached by Paul Davis but League decided to go to the extreme and suspend the whole club. As for the death threat this was made by a player due to frustration in knowing what had occurred. This same player is very well respected both on and off the field and still plays today and played in the winning GF. As for the 3 chances don't believe everything you read.

Anyway I think that your new CEO and the board have handled this well so far given the situation and not via the media which was the way the previous CEO did things.

Back on to the Grand Final and I really feel for the players as they are the ones that will never have an outcome. In a GF there is always a winner and a loser and I can say having been lucky enough to play in both a winning and a losing GF the feeling stays with you forever.

I hope the clubs try and keep the same senior playing groups together to have a dip at it again next year

 

[perspective]

Bounce you make some fine comments and at the close of play Doveton had done a great job but do not underplay the illegal behaviour associated with making death threats, regardless of the motivation and emotion..
I think the previous regime inherited a league that was about to be wound up by footy vic and Holsworth was sent in from footy vic to do that and when they got there appreciated the potential the league had and worked all angles including the media to keep the league alive. I attended the AGM as a league supplier one year and the balance sheet had improved from 5 years in a row of losses to 4 years in a row of profit with Ellis and Holsworth. they also had more sponsorship then than ever before and the number of clubs that had turned it around on and off field was outstanding. Sometimes you have to see the bigger picture with the media and work out why some people use it, in some cases it is to lift profile and get a positive out of a negative, which certainly happened with Doveton back a few years back.
Personally I think they could use this Carrum/Mt Waverley matter to show the strength of the league instead of continuing with the no comment strategy after all Leader News are their biggest sponsor, I wonder what they are thinking now not getting any comment as to the what happened.
Anyway I appreciate your comments Bounce you are obviously very informed.

 

[Bounce the Ball]

so what happens to the investagion in to doveton and Moorabbin then

Hi Peter, I am not sure which game and Investigation you are referring to but if it was the finals then again the club was asked to explain and failed to do so.

 

[Bounce the Ball]

Bounce you make some fine comments and at the close of play Doveton had done a great job but do not underplay the illegal behaviour associated with making death threats, regardless of the motivation and emotion..
I think the previous regime inherited a league that was about to be wound up by footy vic and Holsworth was sent in from footy vic to do that and when they got there appreciated the potential the league had and worked all angles including the media to keep the league alive. I attended the AGM as a league supplier one year and the balance sheet had improved from 5 years in a row of losses to 4 years in a row of profit with Ellis and Holsworth. they also had more sponsorship then than ever before and the number of clubs that had turned it around on and off field was outstanding. Sometimes you have to see the bigger picture with the media and work out why some people use it, in some cases it is to lift profile and get a positive out of a negative, which certainly happened with Doveton back a few years back.
Personally I think they could use this Carrum/Mt Waverley matter to show the strength of the league instead of continuing with the no comment strategy after all Leader News are their biggest sponsor, I wonder what they are thinking now not getting any comment as to the what happened.
Anyway I appreciate your comments Bounce you are obviously very informed.

Definitely not condoning the behaviour by this player, I think you will find that a comment was made on Facebook and the media picked it up?
As for the work that Ellis done nothing short than sensational over the years, as for Wayne and his contribution yes he worked extremely hard and turned the league about as well. I just think that he got too big for his own boots, especially with the media as he would tell everyone around him not to comment and then come out and do the opposite. I mean when the CEO goes on the radio and advises the masses that the league and the clubs have agreed to penalise players if they text whilst driving on the way to training and not even telling the clubs!!
Perspective you don't need to run your agenda via the media to ensure that your clubs work in the best interest of the league, like the clubs they need to know they are answerable to the League and like the League they need to understand that the clubs are their members. It is a working relationship that requires a mutual respect between both areas. I think Wayne lost this perspective and I believe that David will regain this back.
Finally just because your major sponsor is a media outlet I am sure even they need to understand that an investigation needs to take place before generalisations are made in the media. (There are always 2 sides to a story)

 

[Jono12]

So lets have a look at the facts about the senior grand final on the weekend…

- Mount Waverley lead at half time by 24 points
- During the 2nd quarter Carrum coach Andrew Lucas punches Mount Waverley Ruckman Beecroft behind play, and the Mount Waverley ruck man does not return to the field.
- At half-time a handful of Mount Waverley supporters go over to the race and verbally abuse Carrum players - In particular there coach Lucas about the incident in the 2nd quarter.
- Carrum players retaliate to Mount Waverley supporters verbal abuse and (from what i was told by a few supporters from both clubs on the day) A carrum player punches one of the Mount Waverley supporters.
- This sparks a brawl between a handful of Carrum players and Mount Waverley supporters. Ending in minor injuries for people from both clubs.
- Carrum refuse to come out and play after half time - claiming it is unsafe to continue playing in this environment.
- SFL executives decide to call the game off.

My opinion as someone with no real connection to either club:

- Mount Waverley looked in control of the game in the 2nd quarter. And in my opinion looked destined to win the game.
- Mount Waverley supporters did not need to approach Carrum players, this was not necessary when there team was 4 goals up. They got too close to the Carrum Players, and caused a dangerous situation.
- There was definitely not enough security provided by the SFL. Supporters should not be able to get as close as they did to the Carrum playing group.
- However, abuse from the crowd is part of local football, and although i think Mount Waverley supporters took it too far. Carrum players cannot assault spectators and should not have reacted to the abuse by Mount Waverley supporters.
- People from both clubs made mistakes, and a combination of poor choices from both Mount Waverley supporters and Carrum players led to this devastating incident.
- However, can Mount Waverley be blamed for the actions of a handful of supporters? Do we know these peoples role within there club? If any? Is it possible some of these people did not even play for the club this year? It seems harsh that the 22 players from Mount Waverley who worked so hard all year, may not be awarded a premiership when none of them where involved in the incident.
- This is just a theory, i have no evidence to back this up, but we all know Carrum is a club determined to get to division 1. They are a big club with a lot of money and ambition. They lost the GF last year and it appeared they were on there way to lose another one again this year… Is it possible Carrum realised they were not going to win the game, and thought they would use this as a possible way of being promoted? Would they have chose to continue playing the 2nd half, if they were 4 goals up? Im not sure.
- Anyway i hope this year was not a waste of time for all involved, and the SFL award the premiership to one of the teams. Im assuming the league wouldn't want these two teams to play each other again next year regardless.

 

[perspective]

Definitely not condoning the behaviour by this player, I think you will find that a comment was made on Facebook and the media picked it up?
As for the work that Ellis done nothing short than sensational over the years, as for Wayne and his contribution yes he worked extremely hard and turned the league about as well. I just think that he got too big for his own boots, especially with the media as he would tell everyone around him not to comment and then come out and do the opposite. I mean when the CEO goes on the radio and advises the masses that the league and the clubs have agreed to penalise players if they text whilst driving on the way to training and not even telling the clubs!!
Perspective you don't need to run your agenda via the media to ensure that your clubs work in the best interest of the league, like the clubs they need to know they are answerable to the League and like the League they need to understand that the clubs are their members. It is a working relationship that requires a mutual respect between both areas. I think Wayne lost this perspective and I believe that David will regain this back.
Finally just because your major sponsor is a media outlet I am sure even they need to understand that an investigation needs to take place before generalisations are made in the media. (There are always 2 sides to a story)

 

[perspective]

Thanks for clearing that up Bounce. you have got your finger on the pulse. Will be an interesting outcome that the SFL come up with. I agree that past admin teams worked hard to keep the league alive and steadied the ship again and that the current with Cannizo are putting the cream on top. Must have also been a struggle for the men in orange..

 

[perspective]

Bounce, by the way what happened to the Admin person Maree??

 

[Tooscaredtoplay]

So lets have a look at the facts about the senior grand final on the weekend…

- Mount Waverley lead at half time by 24 points
- During the 2nd quarter Carrum coach Andrew Lucas punches Mount Waverley Ruckman Beecroft behind play, and the Mount Waverley ruck man does not return to the field.
- At half-time a handful of Mount Waverley supporters go over to the race and verbally abuse Carrum players - In particular there coach Lucas about the incident in the 2nd quarter.
- Carrum players retaliate to Mount Waverley supporters verbal abuse and (from what i was told by a few supporters from both clubs on the day) A carrum player punches one of the Mount Waverley supporters.
- This sparks a brawl between a handful of Carrum players and Mount Waverley supporters. Ending in minor injuries for people from both clubs.
- Carrum refuse to come out and play after half time - claiming it is unsafe to continue playing in this environment.
- SFL executives decide to call the game off.

My opinion as someone with no real connection to either club:

- Mount Waverley looked in control of the game in the 2nd quarter. And in my opinion looked destined to win the game.
- Mount Waverley supporters did not need to approach Carrum players, this was not necessary when there team was 4 goals up. They got too close to the Carrum Players, and caused a dangerous situation.
- There was definitely not enough security provided by the SFL. Supporters should not be able to get as close as they did to the Carrum playing group.
- However, abuse from the crowd is part of local football, and although i think Mount Waverley supporters took it too far. Carrum players cannot assault spectators and should not have reacted to the abuse by Mount Waverley supporters.
- People from both clubs made mistakes, and a combination of poor choices from both Mount Waverley supporters and Carrum players led to this devastating incident.
- However, can Mount Waverley be blamed for the actions of a handful of supporters? Do we know these peoples role within there club? If any? Is it possible some of these people did not even play for the club this year? It seems harsh that the 22 players from Mount Waverley who worked so hard all year, may not be awarded a premiership when none of them where involved in the incident.
- This is just a theory, i have no evidence to back this up, but we all know Carrum is a club determined to get to division 1. They are a big club with a lot of money and ambition. They lost the GF last year and it appeared they were on there way to lose another one again this year… Is it possible Carrum realised they were not going to win the game, and thought they would use this as a possible way of being promoted? Would they have chose to continue playing the 2nd half, if they were 4 goals up? Im not sure.
- Anyway i hope this year was not a waste of time for all involved, and the SFL award the premiership to one of the teams. Im assuming the league wouldn't want these two teams to play each other again next year regardless.

Best thing I've read on this conversation so far.

 

[GreenFalcon]

So lets have a look at the facts about the senior grand final on the weekend…

- Mount Waverley lead at half time by 24 points
- During the 2nd quarter Carrum coach Andrew Lucas punches Mount Waverley Ruckman Beecroft behind play, and the Mount Waverley ruck man does not return to the field.
- At half-time a handful of Mount Waverley supporters go over to the race and verbally abuse Carrum players - In particular there coach Lucas about the incident in the 2nd quarter.
- Carrum players retaliate to Mount Waverley supporters verbal abuse and (from what i was told by a few supporters from both clubs on the day) A carrum player punches one of the Mount Waverley supporters.
- This sparks a brawl between a handful of Carrum players and Mount Waverley supporters. Ending in minor injuries for people from both clubs.
- Carrum refuse to come out and play after half time - claiming it is unsafe to continue playing in this environment.
- SFL executives decide to call the game off.

Unless your one of the CPL players or troublesome Mt supporters or you have video evidence to back up your claims. I don't see how you can come on here and say CPL threw the first punch.
Was Lucas reported? Was there any remonstration from the MT players?
How badly injured was Beecroft? Had the game been on the line, would Beecroft have returned?

The only facts until the SFL issue their report are MT were 24 points up at half time (or was it 25?)
SFL executives decide to call the game off .

The rest of your "Facts" are rubbish

 

[Bounceback]

So lets have a look at the facts about the senior grand final on the weekend…

- Mount Waverley lead at half time by 24 points
- During the 2nd quarter Carrum coach Andrew Lucas punches Mount Waverley Ruckman Beecroft behind play, and the Mount Waverley ruck man does not return to the field.
- At half-time a handful of Mount Waverley supporters go over to the race and verbally abuse Carrum players - In particular there coach Lucas about the incident in the 2nd quarter.
- Carrum players retaliate to Mount Waverley supporters verbal abuse and (from what i was told by a few supporters from both clubs on the day) A carrum player punches one of the Mount Waverley supporters.
- This sparks a brawl between a handful of Carrum players and Mount Waverley supporters. Ending in minor injuries for people from both clubs.
- Carrum refuse to come out and play after half time - claiming it is unsafe to continue playing in this environment.
- SFL executives decide to call the game off.

My opinion as someone with no real connection to either club:

- Mount Waverley looked in control of the game in the 2nd quarter. And in my opinion looked destined to win the game.
- Mount Waverley supporters did not need to approach Carrum players, this was not necessary when there team was 4 goals up. They got too close to the Carrum Players, and caused a dangerous situation.
- There was definitely not enough security provided by the SFL. Supporters should not be able to get as close as they did to the Carrum playing group.
- However, abuse from the crowd is part of local football, and although i think Mount Waverley supporters took it too far. Carrum players cannot assault spectators and should not have reacted to the abuse by Mount Waverley supporters.
- People from both clubs made mistakes, and a combination of poor choices from both Mount Waverley supporters and Carrum players led to this devastating incident.
- However, can Mount Waverley be blamed for the actions of a handful of supporters? Do we know these peoples role within there club? If any? Is it possible some of these people did not even play for the club this year? It seems harsh that the 22 players from Mount Waverley who worked so hard all year, may not be awarded a premiership when none of them where involved in the incident.
- This is just a theory, i have no evidence to back this up, but we all know Carrum is a club determined to get to division 1. They are a big club with a lot of money and ambition. They lost the GF last year and it appeared they were on there way to lose another one again this year… Is it possible Carrum realised they were not going to win the game, and thought they would use this as a possible way of being promoted? Would they have chose to continue playing the 2nd half, if they were 4 goals up? Im not sure.
- Anyway i hope this year was not a waste of time for all involved, and the SFL award the premiership to one of the teams. Im assuming the league wouldn't want these two teams to play each other again next year regardless.

That is the most Mount Waverly biased tripe I have read so far on the situation. The two sub headings of 'fact' and no connection to either club says it all really.

You are basically saying the CPL players should have accepted drunken Mt W supporters getting in their faces, then after 3 of them were concussed to get back out there.

In fact no where in your statement to you allude to the fact that the vast majority of mount supporters were drunk. I see the club has taken down their Pre-GF activities on the Saturday starting with Beers and BBQ at the club from 10am-1pm. Fantastic, lets get 3 hours of grog into them before we unleash them Heatherton where another two hours of grog before half time i.e. 5 hours on the Beers before the half time break.

Nah, the supporters were all Mt W and the club will feel the force of the league for it in due course....FACT!

 

[Wax on wax off]

I know for a fact the cpl prez called off the game! I heard it from the horses mouth

 

[QuietObserver21]

Slightly off topic, yes, but as a Thirds player (for now) and active follower and supporter of my clubs Seniors and Reserves, I firmly believe that the SFL must do a total and complete rehaul of Division 3.

I'm not going to go into huge detail of my thoughts, however the most important area the SFL can improve on in Div 3 are the quality of the umpires we're all given on a round-to-round basis. Yes, there are one or two great umpires, but the majority fail to do their job efficiently and effectively. Having spoken to quite a few coaches and presidents of other clubs, whom all have agreed wholeheartedly, I think this is one area that we as a Division would benefit most from.

We need much better quality of umpires that know how to control a game and will do it without any bias...


Just throwing it out there...Keen to hear your thoughts on the matter.

 

[Bounceback]

Slightly off topic, yes, but as a Thirds player (for now) and active follower and supporter of my clubs Seniors and Reserves, I firmly believe that the SFL must do a total and complete rehaul of Division 3.

I'm not going to go into huge detail of my thoughts, however the most important area the SFL can improve on in Div 3 are the quality of the umpires we're all given on a round-to-round basis. Yes, there are one or two great umpires, but the majority fail to do their job efficiently and effectively. Having spoken to quite a few coaches and presidents of other clubs, whom all have agreed wholeheartedly, I think this is one area that we as a Division would benefit most from.

We need much better quality of umpires that know how to control a game and will do it without any bias...


Just throwing it out there...Keen to hear your thoughts on the matter.

I agree with the umpire scenario.

My belief is the main issue is that the 'congestion' of teams in that Mount - Dandenong corridor festering in Div 3. Hallam, Dandenong, Endevour Hills, Mount, Lyndale, Sandown and last year Doveton. Look at all the top division sides and they are East of these teams basically.

These clubs cannot be sustained so close together as they draw on virtually the same pool of players.

End of the day they need to 'scrape the bottom of the barrel' to keep themselves going and take any player that walks through the door regardless of character and also their mates and associates (the hidden and most dangerous 'handbags').

It will be a never ending cycle that will continue to keep these teams in Div 3 and will continue to allow the issues to fester such as last Saturday.

Like the herd of buffalo, to keep the herd strong you need to kill of the weakest and unfortunately the league has to bite the bullet and cull 1-2 clubs so the others can grow, The others can then start being selective on who comes in their doors and who they bring into this league.

Very simple solution, but which CEO and Board will have the 'round' ones to do it??

 

[QuietObserver21]

My belief is the main issue is that the 'congestion' of teams in that Mount - Dandenong corridor festering in Div 3. Hallam, Dandenong, Endevour Hills, Mount, Lyndale, Sandown and last year Doveton. Look at all the top division sides and they are East of these teams basically.

These clubs cannot be sustained so close together as they draw on virtually the same pool of players.

End of the day then need to 'scrap the bottom of the barrel' to keep themselves going and take any player that walks through the door regardless of character and also their mates and associates (the hidden and most dangerous 'handbags').

It will be a never ending cycle that will continue to keep these teams in Div 3 and will continue to allow the issues to fester such as last Saturday.

Like the herd of buffalo, to keep the herd strong you need to kill of the weakest and unfortunately the league has to bite the bullet and cull 1-2 clubs so the others can grow, The others can then start being selective on who comes in their doors and who they bring.

I'm a part of one of those clubs within that corridor and I honestly couldn't agree more. In addition, there is a major lack of youth within the area - which only further adds to the problem.

The league needs to focus on Div 3 after the happenings last weekend and take all of these into account to better improve the division next year. Will it happen? I highly doubt it...But we can dream, right?

 

[Jono12]

Unless your one of the CPL players or troublesome Mt supporters or you have video evidence to back up your claims. I don't see how you can come on here and say CPL threw the first punch.
Was Lucas reported? Was there any remonstration from the MT players?
How badly injured was Beecroft? Had the game been on the line, would Beecroft have returned?

The only facts until the SFL issue their report are MT were 24 points up at half time (or was it 25?)
SFL executives decide to call the game off .

The rest of your "Facts" are rubbish

I was not invovled in the incident at all. But i was told by numerous people on the day, most unbiased to the either club, that it was a Carrum player that threw the first punch, reacting to verbal abuse from a handful of Mount Waverley supporters.

In terms of Lucas, I'm sure he will get reported, this incident i saw with my own eyes, and I'm sure the game was being filmed, so no doubt they should have footage of it. No idea wether Beecroft would've come back on, but i was told he was concussed, and he didn't return to the field for the rest of the 2nd quarter.

That is the most Mount Waverly biased tripe I have read so far on the situation. The two sub headings of 'fact' and no connection to either club says it all really.

You are basically saying the CPL players should have accepted drunken Mt W supporters getting in their faces, then after 3 of them were concussed to get back out there.

In fact no where in your statement to you allude to the fact that the vast majority of mount supporters were drunk. I see the club has taken down their Pre-GF activities on the Saturday starting with Beers and BBQ at the club from 10am-1pm. Fantastic, lets get 3 hours of grog into them before we unleash them Heatherton where another two hours of grog before half time i.e. 5 hours on the Beers before the half time break.

Nah, the supporters were all Mt W and the club will feel the force of the league for it in due course....FACT!

I am not biased to either club, i am not suggesting either team is at fault, nor did i say Carrum players should have accepted anything, however I'm just providing a balanced opinion of the incident. It seems that most of the people posting on this since the weekend are Carrum supporters, a few of which i know for a fact are Carrum players that were actually involved in the incident. So i would say those posts are "biased tripe"

I actually saw the discussion, and I'm sorry, your wrong. The league chairman and CEO did.

The reasons for which I'm sure will come out after AFL Victoria have concluded their investigation.

I asked SFL executives after the game was called off, and they all said Carrum Patterson Lakes refused to return to the field. Maybe you are not aware of this, but the hierarchy of your club told the SFL they did not want to continue the game.

That doesn't mean the league chairman and CEO didn't agree, nor am i saying it is a weak decision. Im just letting you know that Carrum did not want to continue the game. People can make up there own mind as to why that is.

 

[Bounceback]

I was not invovled in the incident at all. But i was told by numerous people on the day, most unbiased to the either club, that it was a Carrum player that threw the first punch, reacting to verbal abuse from a handful of Mount Waverley supporters.

In terms of Lucas, I'm sure he will get reported, this incident i saw with my own eyes, and I'm sure the game was being filmed, so no doubt they should have footage of it. No idea wether Beecroft would've come back on, but i was told he was concussed, and he didn't return to the field for the rest of the 2nd quarter.



I am not biased to either club, i am not suggesting either team is at fault, nor did i say Carrum players should have accepted anything, however I'm just providing a balanced opinion of the incident. It seems that most of the people posting on this since the weekend are Carrum supporters, a few of which i know for a fact are Carrum players that were actually involved in the incident. So i would say those posts are "biased tripe"



I asked SFL executives after the game was called off, and they all said Carrum Patterson Lakes refused to return to the field. Maybe you are not aware of this, but the hierarchy of your club told the SFL they did not want to continue the game.

That doesn't mean the league chairman and CEO didn't agree, nor am i saying it is a weak decision. Im just letting you know that Carrum did not want to continue the game. People can make up there own mind as to why that is.

JONO : as you are not biased and putting your opinions up, if I could take licence then to use some of your stuff to but up my Unbiased views as well which Im sure you will respect as you want us to with your summation:


So lets have a look at the facts about the senior grand final on the weekend…

- Mount Waverley lead at half time by 24 points
- During the 2nd quarter Carrum coach Andrew Lucas and Mount Waverley Ruckman Beecroft had an unreported clash behind play and unfortunately the Mount Waverley ruck man could not return to the field. Sometimes these things happen and can be investigated further.
- At half-time a handful of Mount Waverley supporters who may have attended the 10am Beers and BBQ at the club prior to attending the game as there seemed to be many drunk Mount supporters go over to the race (either on their own accord or instructed to) and verbally abuse Carrum players - In particular their coach Lucas about the incident in the 2nd quarter which wasn't reported or had any retaliation from Mount players.
- Having drunk abusive and threatening Mount supporters in their face lead to Carrum players protecting themselves and (from what i was told by a few supporters from both clubs on the day) had the right to protect themselves in some manner or form due to lack of any security presence.
- This sparks a brawl between a handful of Carrum players and drunk Mount Waverley supporters. Ending in major injuries to CPL players including 3 with concussion and one having to go to hospital.
- Due to the FACT that CPL are down 3 players and the mayhem caused by this unprecedented actions plus having to go out in front of the UNRULY Mount drunken crowd, CPL, the SFL CEO recognise the danger and all claim it is unsafe to continue playing in this environment.
- SFL executives decide to call the game off.

My opinion as someone with no real connection to either club:

- Mount Waverley looked in control of the game in the 2nd quarter. And in my opinion looked destined to win the game.
- The drunken Mount Waverley supporters did not need to approach Carrum players, this was not necessary when there team was 4 goals up. They got too close to the Carrum Players, and caused a dangerous situation.
- There was definitely not enough security provided by the SFL. Supporters should not be able to get as close as they did to the Carrum playing group.
- However, whilst abuse from the crowd is part of local football, players should not have to contend with drunken supports of opposition clubs who could have been on the gas since 10am. If in this situation the players should be able to protect themselves.
- People from both clubs made mistakes, and a combination of poor choices from drunk Mount Waverley supporters led to this devastating incident.
- Mount Waverley must be blamed for the actions of a handful of supporters? They must know these peoples role within their club? If any? Is it possible some of these people did not even play for the club this year? It seems harsh that the 22 players from Mount Waverley who worked so hard all year, may not be awarded a premiership when none of them where involved in the incident however that is why it is called a CLUB not purely a TEAM i.e. Mount Waverly Football CLUB.
- This is just a theory, i have no evidence to back this up, but we all know Carrum LIKE EVERY OTHER club determined to get to division 1. They are a big club with a lot of money and ambition. They lost the GF last year and of course we all know about Mounts Finals CHOKING and most probably would have done this in the 2nd half if not for the incident caused by their supporters.Is it possible Mount realised they were going to CHOKE and thought they would use this as a possible way of being promoted?
- Anyway i hope this year was not a waste of time for all involved, and the SFL award the premiership to one of the teams or t least BAN one of them. Im assuming the league wouldn't want these two teams to play each other again next year regardless.
Jono12, Today at 2:25 PM
#1238Reply

 

[Dan Moody]

JONO : as you are not biased and putting your opinions up, if I could take licence then to use some of your stuff to but up my Unbiased views as well which Im sure you will respect as you want us to with your summation:


So lets have a look at the facts about the senior grand final on the weekend…

- Mount Waverley lead at half time by 24 points
- During the 2nd quarter Carrum coach Andrew Lucas and Mount Waverley Ruckman Beecroft had an unreported clash behind play and unfortunately the Mount Waverley ruck man could not return to the field. Sometimes these things happen and can be investigated further.
- At half-time a handful of Mount Waverley supporters who may have attended the 10am Beers and BBQ at the club prior to attending the game as there seemed to be many drunk Mount supporters go over to the race (either on their own accord or instructed to) and verbally abuse Carrum players - In particular their coach Lucas about the incident in the 2nd quarter which wasn't reported or had any retaliation from Mount players.
- Having drunk abusive and threatening Mount supporters in their face lead to Carrum players protecting themselves and (from what i was told by a few supporters from both clubs on the day) had the right to protect themselves in some manner or form due to lack of any security presence.
- This sparks a brawl between a handful of Carrum players and drunk Mount Waverley supporters. Ending in major injuries to CPL players including 3 with concussion and one having to go to hospital.
- Due to the FACT that CPL are down 3 players and the mayhem caused by this unprecedented actions plus having to go out in front of the UNRULY Mount drunken crowd, CPL, the SFL CEO recognise the danger and all claim it is unsafe to continue playing in this environment.
- SFL executives decide to call the game off.

My opinion as someone with no real connection to either club:

- Mount Waverley looked in control of the game in the 2nd quarter. And in my opinion looked destined to win the game.
- The drunken Mount Waverley supporters did not need to approach Carrum players, this was not necessary when there team was 4 goals up. They got too close to the Carrum Players, and caused a dangerous situation.
- There was definitely not enough security provided by the SFL. Supporters should not be able to get as close as they did to the Carrum playing group.
- However, whilst abuse from the crowd is part of local football, players should not have to contend with drunken supports of opposition clubs who could have been on the gas since 10am. If in this situation the players should be able to protect themselves.
- People from both clubs made mistakes, and a combination of poor choices from drunk Mount Waverley supporters led to this devastating incident.
- Mount Waverley must be blamed for the actions of a handful of supporters? They must know these peoples role within their club? If any? Is it possible some of these people did not even play for the club this year? It seems harsh that the 22 players from Mount Waverley who worked so hard all year, may not be awarded a premiership when none of them where involved in the incident however that is why it is called a CLUB not purely a TEAM i.e. Mount Waverly Football CLUB.
- This is just a theory, i have no evidence to back this up, but we all know Carrum LIKE EVERY OTHER club determined to get to division 1. They are a big club with a lot of money and ambition. They lost the GF last year and of course we all know about Mounts Finals CHOKING and most probably would have done this in the 2nd half if not for the incident caused by their supporters.Is it possible Mount realised they were going to CHOKE and thought they would use this as a possible way of being promoted?
- Anyway i hope this year was not a waste of time for all involved, and the SFL award the premiership to one of the teams or t least BAN one of them. Im assuming the league wouldn't want these two teams to play each other again next year regardless.
Jono12, Today at 2:25 PM
#1238Reply

What a load of shit.
The whole mood of the game seems to have been instigated by the CPL coach cowardly decking someone behind play. The drunken Mount supporters basically did what drunken idiots do and mouthed off at this tool.
Football players should be accustomed to taunts from the sidelines, ignore it and get on with the game.
This moron obviously decided to take on the crowd as well.
He contributed to costing his side a potential premiership by his cowardly actions.
For that team to then refuse to come out afterwards reeks of cowardice.
This competition seems to have gone to shit, if you think it's any rougher these days than when I played there 20 years ago you're dreaming. Regular on field brawls were commonplace and I lost count of how many times I had my nose broken or got hit behind play. Once the game was completed though, the opposition team would be in the bar for drinks. Sounds like some of the clowns that play in the SFL these days neede to get over themselves.

 

[Cragly]

Why are you all assuming that the crowd was going after Luco at the rooms, and he was anywhere near it when it started?

Shows how far off the mark all of your 3rd hand stories are tbh.

So now your saying Mount supporters were not targeting a CPL player for their actions on field but randomly started attacking CPL players while they were in their change room?

I dont know if your from Mount...but geez your guys are digging that hole even deeper.

 

[Kbundy]

This is getting rediculous now. To many people are talking 3rd hand and saying they are 100% correct. Let's just wait and see or talk about something else because it's getting stupid I recon.