SFNL Div 1 2025

[Marousses]

Hahaha remember them? lol

Actually its EFNL's Div 4. What a decision to leave & its probably signed their death warrant!
Should've stuck at it in SFNL will never get juniors up into senior footy

Eastern Division 4?? Forget it , I had not realised they were that low… in SFNL terms they would be looking at a division 3 SFNL return. Not much to gain or lose really but strange demographically for them to migrate to EFNL. They could perhaps create an Oakleigh v Ashwood rivalry in Eastern as Ashwood want to leave SFNL - another very strange decision.

Probably a good time for SFNL to snap up Oakleigh Amatuers and that would almost spell the end of the Districts and really force them to stick it out in the lower ends of the Eastern divisional system and being that low won’t attract any youngsters.

I had forgotten Beaconsfield aswell in Eastern 2… the possibilities are endless with the SFNL to not only grow and branch out but also to continue to lift the standards with inductions of the Cardinia corridor. No brainer

 

[bedford]

Not as bad as the VAFA Bedford. The VAFA below the top end of C grade (and I am being generous to those top end C grade clubs) is rubbish.

But it would complete the Cardinia migration to SFNL and I believe it is the only fit for these 2 clubs. Also opens the door for southern to maybe snap Berwick up into division 1 and slightly ajar for Noble Park down the track. Oakleigh Districts wasting their time in division 3 Eastern aswell.

If Ormond committee had half an idea , they would cut ties with the VAFA and come to southern aswell. Might help your top echelon players from being poached.

Was always against that , but not anymore , what is the future when old boys clubs like Old Xav can have multiple girls and 19s teams and 6 ! thirds teams
Maybe forays into Prem B and bounce between there and C . How would an amateur club turn things into a Pro outfit with beer booths etc , player payments etc. a massive move .

 

[Blood Stained Angels]

Was always against that , but not anymore , what is the future when old boys clubs like Old Xav can have multiple girls and 19s teams and 6 ! thirds teams
Maybe forays into Prem B and bounce between there and C . How would an amateur club turn things into a Pro outfit with beer booths etc , player payments etc. a massive move .

Bentleigh left the VAFA and came back to where they started from. Took a while, but they are now well credentialed and cashed up with their beer booths, payments, etc and i'm sure the mondos could also survive in Div 2 SFNL.

 

[Wild Thing]

They left the WGFL for the MPNFL in 2002, which became Casey Cardinia and then the SEFL before lobbing in the Outer East where they are now about a decade ago.

Hindsight says they should have stayed in the WGFL all along.

Yes in hindsight they should’ve stayed in WG, based on how they are travelling now (as WG has got a lot stronger / paying more $$). At the time (2002), Pakenham and Beaconsfield were dominating WG so it was time for a change.
Casey Cardinia was a great league for
the first 5-8 years but the gap was widening between the strong clubs eg: Narre, Beacy, Berwick, Cranny and the battlers HP, Keysy, Tooradin, ROC.
These battling clubs have since found their niche in the right competition/ division they are in and tracking along well. If they kept going in Casey Cardinia / South East some may have fallen over altogether.
Paky and the other ex South East clubs going to the bush league- Outer East was a mistake both for those clubs and the league….which have both gone backwards.
Southern probably the best fit overall, however stretches the demographics of the league even further out. Should the rename / rebrand the league now to reflect this growth?

Where do these new teams fit in?
If Pakenham and Officer come in and potentially Ashwood leave to the Eastern league, this means we move to 39 clubs….almost the perfect number for 4 x 10 divisions.
Does SFNL target a potential other club to get to 40 eg: Beaumaris, Ormond, Oakleigh Am, Oakleigh Districts, Glen Eira etc or try and push a team up from the 3rds Clubbies comp into Open Grade (D4)….which most likely would be Clyde. As I see it Heatherhill have no ambition to play open grade footy.

 

[bedford]

Yes in hindsight they should’ve stayed in WG, based on how they are travelling now (as WG has got a lot stronger / paying more $$). At the time (2002), Pakenham and Beaconsfield were dominating WG so it was time for a change.
Casey Cardinia was a great league for
the first 5-8 years but the gap was widening between the strong clubs eg: Narre, Beacy, Berwick, Cranny and the battlers HP, Keysy, Tooradin, ROC.
These battling clubs have since found their niche in the right competition/ division they are in and tracking along well. If they kept going in Casey Cardinia / South East some may have fallen over altogether.
Paky and the other ex South East clubs going to the bush league- Outer East was a mistake both for those clubs and the league….which have both gone backwards.
Southern probably the best fit overall, however stretches the demographics of the league even further out. Should the rename / rebrand the league now to reflect this growth?

Where do these new teams fit in?
If Pakenham and Officer come in and potentially Ashwood leave to the Eastern league, this means we move to 39 clubs….almost the perfect number for 4 x 10 divisions.
Does SFNL target a potential other club to get to 40 eg: Beaumaris, Ormond, Oakleigh Am, Oakleigh Districts, Glen Eira etc or try and push a team up from the 3rds Clubbies comp into Open Grade (D4)….which most likely would be Clyde. As I see it Heatherhill have no ambition to play open grade footy.

Beaumaris ? Glen Eira could merge with another club

 

[benbrown]

They left the WGFL for the MPNFL in 2002, which became Casey Cardinia and then the SEFL before lobbing in the Outer East where they are now about a decade ago.

Hindsight says they should have stayed in the WGFL all along.

With a few other clubs they were basically kicked out

 

[bedford]

With a few other clubs they were basically kicked out

Bunyip ?

 

[benbrown]

Bunyip ?

No,the small country clubs got together and decided the population exsplosion in Pakenham and beaconsfield would mean they couldn’t compete with them,someone should write a book on what happened and friendships were lost forever and ripped the league apart

 

[chumbawumba]

 

[bedford]

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Nothing to do with work ! what's that in

 

[Marousses]

Beaumaris ? Glen Eira could merge with another club

Ormond and Glen Eira merging is a no brainer if they both decide to stay in the VAFA.

 

[chumbawumba]

Nothing to do with work ! what's that in

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[JohnHancock]

Salary caps are 130 in Div 1 and 100k in Div 2. I would think most clubs in Div 2 are not paying it as they simply don’t have it whereas we can all have our own opinions on whether Div 1 clubs are under the cap. I know my club doesn’t pay near it so evening the cap won’t do anything. It’s a massive jump and with the new clubs coming in it is even bigger. I would agree EB and Beena of the last 2 years are well ahead on any Div 2 club at the moment. It will need a club with deep pockets to stay up more than a year or two.

Yeh that’s a fair point too!

Was always against that , but not anymore , what is the future when old boys clubs like Old Xav can have multiple girls and 19s teams and 6 ! thirds teams
Maybe forays into Prem B and bounce between there and C . How would an amateur club turn things into a Pro outfit with beer booths etc , player payments etc. a massive move .

Yeh only old boys teams can survive in VAFA, here’s who the southern should target to get in and roughly the Divisions I think they’d fit well initially
Oakleigh Krushers D2
Oakleigh Districts D3
Parkdale D1
Hampton Rovers D1
Ormond D2
Beaumaris D1
Noble Park D1
Elsternwick D3
Glen Eira D2
Chadstone D4
Prahran D2

Need a few more sponsors and a couple of volunteers to run bars but really the crowds are much much bigger at southern and it would quickly add up.
I don’t think teams like Beaumaris or Hampton would struggle to raise much Money and with their junior programs I think they’d be right up the top of D1 pretty quickly

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The reality is that with the number of clubs the EFNL and SFNL should probably be three leagues, can’t see that happening though.

The MPFNL had the chance to become the outer south-east league but they totally fumbled it by trying to merge all the clubs into divisions, which the clubs didn’t want.

They should’ve put all their southern clubs in a single country division, which is what they’ve always wanted anyway. They just want to play each other

Anybody in or to the north of Frankston could then have gone into a multi-division metro-style league. That would’ve worked well.

YCW
Langwarrin
Edi Asp
Pines
Bombers
Chelsea
Pearcedale
Devon Meadows
Bonbeach
Seaford
Pearcedale
Berwick
Beaconsfield
Narre Warren
Cranbourne
Officer
Pakenham

Add in Berwick Springs, Narre South etc who would’ve gone there in a second division.

And the EFNL and SFNL get their traditional areas with the leagues all respecting each others boundaries. The outer south-east league and SFNL could’ve traded clubs where appropriate if they wanted to get the geography right.

The MPFNL cocked it up, it led to the SEFL mess which in turn ****ed up the YVMDFL. Sent Berwick and Beacy to the EFNL where they don’t belong. And now you have all the traditional YVMDFL clubs lost and looking for an out, probably to the EFNL, which is just a big bloated mess.

Looks like the south-east clubs reforming now under a huge SFNL which isn’t the worst outcome but it’s going to be a bloody massive league.

Ideally I think you’d have

Mornington Peninsula (country, one division)

Outer South-East (metro, two divisions)

SFNL (metro, three divisions)

EFNL (metro, four divisions)

Valley / Mountain (country, two divisions)

Takes planning and a lack of narrow focus however, two things which have ****ed it all over 20+ years.

 

[bedford]

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It's wrong

 

[bedford]

Ormond and Glen Eira merging is a no brainer if they both decide to stay in the VAFA.

There is as much chance of that as me winning the GF sprint !

 

[bedford]

Yeh that’s a fair point too!

Yeh only old boys teams can survive in VAFA, here’s who the southern should target to get in and roughly the Divisions I think they’d fit well initially
Oakleigh Krushers D2
Oakleigh Districts D3
Parkdale D1
Hampton Rovers D1
Ormond D2
Beaumaris D1
Noble Park D1
Elsternwick D3
Glen Eira D2
Chadstone D4
Prahran D2

Need a few more sponsors and a couple of volunteers to run bars but really the crowds are much much bigger at southern and it would quickly add up.
I don’t think teams like Beaumaris or Hampton would struggle to raise much Money and with their junior programs I think they’d be right up the top of D1 pretty quickly

Someone put this sort of stuff up a couple of years ago , might be time to rejig it

 

[don_draper]

MPNFL certainly stuffed things up, and continue to with their lack of foresight. The bottom end of their Div 2 is diabolical, there's at least a couple of clubs there (Tyabb and Karingal) that are Div 3 standard, possibly a couple more.

 

[TooooVeeey]

MPNFL certainly stuffed things up, and continue to with their lack of foresight. The bottom end of their Div 2 is diabolical, there's at least a couple of clubs there (Tyabb and Karingal) that are Div 3 standard, possibly a couple more.

Karingal would struggle in Div 3

 

[actuallyinformer]

Problem is SFNL keep growing and there’s nowhere for netball teams to go and clubs without home courts are having a sook about playing at other clubs courts. Clubs keep adding netball teams in with nowhere to put them but make it leagues problem to deal with overflow. These outer clubs with strong netball in proper FN leagues don’t want to come to SFNL for this reason. Look at Cranbourne - destroyed their club cos they couldn’t follow footy/netball. There’s also clubs like Parkdale who have their netball teams in sfnl but football teams in vafa. Is a mess.

 

[Wild Thing]

Problem is SFNL keep growing and there’s nowhere for netball teams to go and clubs without home courts are having a sook about playing at other clubs courts. Clubs keep adding netball teams in with nowhere to put them but make it leagues problem to deal with overflow. These outer clubs with strong netball in proper FN leagues don’t want to come to SFNL for this reason. Look at Cranbourne - destroyed their club cos they couldn’t follow footy/netball. There’s also clubs like Parkdale who have their netball teams in sfnl but football teams in vafa. Is a mess.

Noble Park Netball and Edi Asp Netball as well….both clubs not in our footy league. Why are they in the netball division?

 

[2s Hack]

Someone put this sort of stuff up a couple of years ago , might be time to rejig it

Football Southern Bayside

 

[don_draper]

Problem is SFNL keep growing and there’s nowhere for netball teams to go and clubs without home courts are having a sook about playing at other clubs courts. Clubs keep adding netball teams in with nowhere to put them but make it leagues problem to deal with overflow. These outer clubs with strong netball in proper FN leagues don’t want to come to SFNL for this reason. Look at Cranbourne - destroyed their club cos they couldn’t follow footy/netball. There’s also clubs like Parkdale who have their netball teams in sfnl but football teams in vafa. Is a mess.

SFNL needs to consider a cap on the number of netball teams clubs can field. There's clubs with 8 or 9 teams, as a result they don't have the courts available to accommodate them all. Clubs are being forced to play away games at the home of their opposition when Dingley is full. Courts are overbooked for training nights, etc. It's a shambles.

 

[pjxm]

The reality is that with the number of clubs the EFNL and SFNL should probably be three leagues, can’t see that happening though.

The MPFNL had the chance to become the outer south-east league but they totally fumbled it by trying to merge all the clubs into divisions, which the clubs didn’t want.

They should’ve put all their southern clubs in a single country division, which is what they’ve always wanted anyway. They just want to play each other

Anybody in or to the north of Frankston could then have gone into a multi-division metro-style league. That would’ve worked well.

YCW
Langwarrin
Edi Asp
Pines
Bombers
Chelsea
Pearcedale
Devon Meadows
Bonbeach
Seaford
Pearcedale
Berwick
Beaconsfield
Narre Warren
Cranbourne
Officer
Pakenham

Add in Berwick Springs, Narre South etc who would’ve gone there in a second division.

And the EFNL and SFNL get their traditional areas with the leagues all respecting each others boundaries. The outer south-east league and SFNL could’ve traded clubs where appropriate if they wanted to get the geography right.

The MPFNL cocked it up, it led to the SEFL mess which in turn ****ed up the YVMDFL. Sent Berwick and Beacy to the EFNL where they don’t belong. And now you have all the traditional YVMDFL clubs lost and looking for an out, probably to the EFNL, which is just a big bloated mess.

Looks like the south-east clubs reforming now under a huge SFNL which isn’t the worst outcome but it’s going to be a bloody massive league.

Ideally I think you’d have

Mornington Peninsula (country, one division)

Outer South-East (metro, two divisions)

SFNL (metro, three divisions)

EFNL (metro, four divisions)

Valley / Mountain (country, two divisions)

Takes planning and a lack of narrow focus however, two things which have ****ed it all over 20+ years.

EFNL four divisions...not likely, The bosses at the EFNL are hell bent on having 5 divisions each of 10 clubs and they don't care where the clubs come from.EG Oakleigh Districts, Balwyn, Noble, Bulleen, Templestowe.

 

[bedford]

Football Southern Bayside

Yep , might have another go in the bye