If not the worst, very close to it. We had 8 first round draft players playing on Sunday plus RGray, Hartlett and Trengove and could only manage that sort of performance.
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Geez, OneGreatClub is making negative threads? If that isn't the canary in the coalmine for this regime, I don't know what is.
For me it was when the old, measured soldiers Macca19 and Portmanteau began to voice open discontent during/after the game.
That's officially two of the four horsemen, folks.
What was his reply, or don't I want to know?I would like to count the fact Kochie was questioned about Kens contract this morning as a third, but it's more of a 2.5.
If not the worst, very close to it. We had 8 first round draft players playing on Sunday plus RGray, Hartlett and Trengove and could only manage that sort of performance.
It's funny, ball use was one of our main weaknesses previously. Our list has no top 10 picks due to middling and draft sanctions during the Trigg era and Narcifield leaving to Geelong. Our kicking seemed to reflect this lack of top end talent. But our ball use has improved a lot.Until we draft or free agency us some elite ball users preferably with a bit of dash to feed off Wines & Pepp we won't challenge seriously for a flag, I think we finally have a crop of promising young talls coming through but unless it's Wingard & Polec feeding them on a good day they'll fail in our ridiculous notion of a forward set-up anyway.
If this is one of our strongest lists then that's a sad indictment on our AFL campaign. Sam Gray, Aaron Young, Aidan Johnson, old man Monfries all played on the weekend and we have 1 ******* injury. Our depth is crap. We have star power yes but nowhere near half the lists in the AFLIt's not that bad, but we have one of the strongest lists we've ever had, yet we're not seeing any players emerging.
Teams like the Crows & Sydney are leaving us for dead in terms of player development.
IMO Hinkley has proven now across 5 years that he's unable to develop talent.
My bold and respectively Will Snelling, Brendon Ah Chee, Jesse Palmer, old man Krakouer. Decent opportunities given 0If this is one of our strongest lists then that's a sad indictment on our AFL campaign. Sam Gray, Aaron Young, Aidan Johnson, old man Monfries all played on the weekend and we have 1 ******* injury. Our depth is crap. We have star power yes but nowhere near half the lists in the AFL
There are people on here, and facebook especially, that will just bitch and moan no matter what.
This signing has more potential for success than someone stringbean we pick in the 60’s. I am happy with this one and hopefully he can be 3/4 the player jay was by the time he finished.
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Most people are not critical of Wylie Buzza but of the system he finds himself in. As for stringbeans taken in the 60's there is an exception to most rules, we took Justin Westhoff with pick #71.
Buzza has one year to show that he has what it takes. The length of the contract probably indicates this is a 'suck it and see' signing.
For every Justin Westhoff there is about a hundred Matthew Westhoffs. We did well there, but one exception in twenty plus years is not exactly worth hanging our hats on.
It absolutely is a hail mary, and given our recent history of poor development, he will be back in QLD this time next year. I really hope i am wrong though.
Mahoney, Kingsley, Rodan as DFE's (or equivalent). Danyle Pearce, Jonas and Houston as rookie picks. Etc. We have had more than one success over the journey. I'm prepared to see how Buzza goes. Hell, JPod had been delisted by two teams at least before being picked up by Geelong.
Mahoney, Kingsley, Rodan as DFE's (or equivalent). Jonas and Houston as rookie picks. Etc. We have had more than one success over the journey. I'm prepared to see how Buzza goes. Hell, JPod had been delisted by two teams at least before being picked up by Geelong.
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics." Whether it was Mark Twain, or Benjamin Disraeli, or whoever ... It is such a truism!I was talking specifically about stringbeans (tall, skinny kids) with late picks. All of those players have been great pick ups, but not the type of player i am referring to.
Port has really struggled with their tall KPP (i don't class Jonas as a tall) and i don't know if the failure is the talent identification, the development or where the blame lies. We have got players in, and they have gone backwards!
Butcher is a classic example. Go and have a look at his U/18 year, he was slotting them from everywhere! He was definitely worth the early pick but then he regressed when he got to the club! From there, it has been a debacle and since 2009, these players have come and gone:
John Butcher
Daniel Stewart
Matt Westhoff
Mason Shaw
Mitch Harvey
Dougal Howard
Logan Austin
Billy Frampton
So is this recruiting, identification or development, or all three? Certainly frustrating to watch. Hopefully Buzza can be the next mildly successful recruit we get from another side...
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics." Whether it was Mark Twain, or Benjamin Disraeli, or whoever ... It is such a truism!
So statistically, Port struggle to develop "talls." To make the statistical formula more complex, we add in another factor - "stringbean" talls. Lets make it even more complex - "Stringbean" talls taken with "late picks."
So by giving a list of 8 talls taken later in the draft, supposedly proves that Port has failed in developing talls players! Really? Three of those mentioned arguably have developed well, Dougal Howard, traded for 1st round pick & on big moola to the Saints. Frampton targeted with a multi-year contract. Austin has some flaws in his game, but showed heaps, sadly however has struggled with injury - The only fault possibly was that we didnt keep/want them. The rest were duds.
If people really want to come up with statistics to back up this kind of statement, then you need to at a minimum, provide similar statistics for each club as a comparison! I would hazard a guess that Port are just average in this. That in fact, just about every club has similar challenges developing talls, especially "Stringbean talls taken with late picks."
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Teekray! You prove my point! This is exactly the sort of rubbish statistic that gets wheeled out ad nauseam here on Bigfooty.I'll give you a better stat.
Port haven't developed a top line key forward of any description with any draft pick since Warren Tredrea.
Port also haven't developed a top line ruckman of any description with any draft pick since Dean Brogan.
Key defenders are advanced scrubbers and relatively easy to find and develop.