Toast Shane Edwards

[El Tigre]

Like always, time will tell. At the moment Edwards position is safe, but obviously as new talent gets picked, he will have to develop to keep his position. His body strength has been coming along ok (especially deficient 2009 and prior), and his decision making has been improving, so all in all ok. He's no Cuz (who's a hell of alot shorter and lighter), and he's no Martin (height and weight). I think Jars said that he thinks too quick for his actions, if you can harness that, he'll be a fantastic player, if not, he'll probably be a decent rotation mid-fielder. Tho one thing i am glad is that he is out of being a forward pocket player. He was crap there.

 

[santa claws]

Think he'll be a gun in 2 years. What Richmond supporter would want him delisted? Santa is not a Tiger. It's official

very hard to have any sort of sensible conversation with you when you get so defensive about any sort of criticism of players. take the blnkers of son and look at what i posted.
i think i said he did enough to be kept for another season did i say he was to be delisted, no need to get all upset just because i dont rate him highly and dont think his season as good as some would have us believe.

 

[The Goon]

very hard to have any sort of sensible conversation with you when you get so defensive about any sort of criticism of players. take the blnkers of son and look at what i posted.
i think i said he did enough to be kept for another season did i say he was to be delisted, no need to get all upset just because i dont rate him highly and dont think his season as good as some would have us believe.

Out of interest Santa, out of our fringe players who do you rate?

 

[santa claws]

Out of interest Santa, out of our fringe players who do you rate?

hmm for me there isnt really fringe players how does one say it.

theres players strengths weakness upside performance and age. theres other variables as well.i have certain criteria for certain types,
some would say post a fringe player but to me hes in early development.
i have a loose time frame for smls mediums and talls it isnt stringent because of factors like injury and body type. but post isnt fringe to me because hes still within the time frame for when i expect talls to take a big step or click.

the so called fringe player i liked the most we just traded away collins. two good reasons why i still have patience with him is, 1 he lost a season to op 2 his body shape/ type said he will take a little longer than most to mature physically. of course kicking and his footy smarts said persevere as well.
webberley is one i like and i think gourdis has some very good attributes well worth persevering with. i like the look of browne purely as a ruckman. i have issues with all of them just like i have issues with those in the so called best 22.

lets just say on edwards i acknowledged enough improvement in him to keep persevering with him. as i said at the start of the yr i would not have given two bob for him. to me hes a small and outside the time frame though his body tpy like collins said he may take a little longer to get there.
i have issues with some critical aspects of his game especially if hes to play as a mid. anyway he played all 22 games this yr can you call him a fringe player.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Think he'll be a gun in 2 years. What Richmond supporter would want him delisted? Santa is not a Tiger. It's official

I agree MT Santa simply has to be a troll . Mods can you push the button on him now please.

 

[santa claws]

I agree MT Santa simply has to be a troll . Mods can you push the button on him now please.

poor little baby go get a tissue get some balls and stop crying at any little bit of honesty that comes your way . can i also suggest you grab that other baby mt by the hand and get into detox for all that flower sniffing you have been doing. no wonder your all emotional and irrational.

the boo hoo crowd i dont want to hear it ban him please mummy. nothing funnier.

can i also suggest instesd of acting like that 12 yr old mt if you dont like what i post dont read it.

 

[sante]

IMO, Edwards 'made' it in 2010. Will be here a long time.

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

IMO, Edwards 'made' it in 2010. Will be here a long time.

22 straight games seems to illustrate that to all but a few.

 

[Ando_4]

IMO, Edwards 'made' it in 2010. Will be here a long time.

Agreed. Breakout season.

Still has work to do on his game but made massive strides in 2010.

Has more upside than Collins IMO.
I expect Edwards to play 250 games and be a very good midfielder for the Tiges.

 

[santa claws]

Agreed. Breakout season.

Still has work to do on his game but made massive strides in 2010.

Has more upside than Collins IMO.
I expect Edwards to play 250 games and be a very good midfielder for the Tiges.

a break out season and established himself as what.
a elite, b very good, c good, d below average, at what level was hid 22 games.
overall id barely give him a c. he is a yr older than collins is the same sort of size skinny, hes shorter, a similar pace with fewer smarts and inferior foot skills he does have it over collins with his evasiveness which is the thing that has improved dramatically.

its an opinion and we will all differ and i may well be wrong but i would take collins every day over edwards.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

Happy birthday Titch

Also Collins celebrates his 22nd in 23 days time, not a year.

 

[santa claws]

Happy birthday Titch

Also Collins celebrates his 22nd in 23 days time, not a year.

my bad and apologies i knew edwards was 88 but thought it was early . so it pays to check. by the way where do you rate edwards. a elite, b very good, c good, d below standard.

 

[DerpWerls]

my bad and apologies i knew edwards was 88 but thought it was early . so it pays to check. by the way where do you rate edwards. a elite, b very good, c good, d below standard.

That's an odd way to class a player, but you would have to have him at "good" currently. Semi-lmited potential but clearly had a good year and is expected to build on that.

 

[Bazzar]

That's an odd way to class a player, but you would have to have him at "good" currently. Semi-lmited potential but clearly had a good year and is expected to build on that.

Love that line, considering he finished in the top ten in 12 out of 13 stat categories this year.

 

[CoggaRules]

ah mr Dea very good. and one of few posters who is prepared to actually talk about a players strengths and weaknesses percieved or otherwise.

and i agree with all that you have said. in a nut shell he has found ways to buy himself time to use a bit better. thats not to say his delivery skills are crash hot anyway, not for his type and size.
i believe a lot of it also comes from the fact hes getting adequate midfield time despite his inadequacies. one thing i could never understand as a junior he had a huge motor i reckon hes always had it.

in many ways the similarities between collins and edwards is great the one difference is collins is better sklled and makes better decisions. he doesnt have edwards evasiveness though or motor atm.

as you say edwards earnt another yr but imo he needs to continue the growth but i dont think theres much more in him. will he be another whos performance drops of significantly because of an inability to play at or near his very best at all times. time will tell.

dude, atm all we have to work on and debate on is that he has improved. Tipping what unfolds in the future is pissing in the wind...the bottom line is he didnt stagnate and thats what all he and the club needs to worry about.
If he does stagnate, then they can assess what his plateau gives to the game plan and if it fits then he is in, if it doesnt, next please and he moves down the rungs of the list ladder. At 22, tipping we havent seen the best of this kid. Not saying he is going to blow the comp apart, but will at times blow games apart. If he can do it week in week out then we are in bonus territory. For me there are is a good number of game breakers around him now. If he can chime in for 6 time in the year to break a game, the others can take the rest of the slack over the other 16 games. Its all about spreading the numbers.

 

[Ando_4]

a break out season and established himself as what.
a elite, b very good, c good, d below average, at what level was hid 22 games.
overall id barely give him a c. he is a yr older than collins is the same sort of size skinny, hes shorter, a similar pace with fewer smarts and inferior foot skills he does have it over collins with his evasiveness which is the thing that has improved dramatically.

its an opinion and we will all differ and i may well be wrong but i would take collins every day over edwards.

Howdy clawsy.

FWIW at this stage of his development I'd place Edwards between a c & b. I expect him to move up into the b category next year.

Shane's 2010 season was a real highlight of mine.

You're right that they are just opinions but I don't rate Collins as highly as Edwards.

IMO:

- Edwards has better foot skills
- Edwards has better handball skills
- Edwards has better evasiveness in traffic
- Edwards has a better tank
- Edwards is faster
- Edwards places better pressure on the opposition
- Has more upside

Over head Collins is better and he can find a goal (so can Edwards) but I personally would take Edwards every day over Collins.

 

[santa claws]

Howdy clawsy.

FWIW at this stage of his development I'd place Edwards between a c & b. I expect him to move up into the b category next year.

Shane's 2010 season was a real highlight of mine.

You're right that they are just opinions but I don't rate Collins as highly as Edwards.

IMO:

- Edwards has better foot skills
- Edwards has better handball skills
- Edwards has better evasiveness in traffic
- Edwards has a better tank
- Edwards is faster
- Edwards places better pressure on the opposition
- Has more upside

Over head Collins is better and he can find a goal (so can Edwards) but I personally would take Edwards every day over Collins.

how ya going T -o -o. they treating ya good over at PRE.

Well we disagree on the edwards collins comparison. while clearly edwards is in front of collins as far as performance goes to this stage. i think collins has more upside. as you say its just opinions and they vary.

as for a rating and yes redwallis there is nothing odd about the way ive done it, its common thru the afl. i would place edwards at primarily d to c with most of this yr a c or good.
while his performances in the main have been adequate his poor skills and dumb mistakes hurt his rating.also his size still has me cringe as you know ive never been a big fan of skinny footballers not those with just average skills.
i dont believe he will ever be anything more than a good honest player. and we need a fair share of them any way.

 

[santa claws]

Love that line, considering he finished in the top ten in 12 out of 13 stat categories this year.

you can take stats as you like. to you they may mean upside, to others they may mean little upside it all depends on perspective.

even with his so called good stats within the team frame work i rate him only at best a good player. hes a small hes 22 and for a small 4 yrs is ample time to establish yourself.

lets just say hes a good honest afl player. to me he has some traits that im prepared to argue are never really fixable and because of them atm i would have no hesitation in doing a collins type trade with him.

 

[Bazzar]

i rate him only at best a good player.

This is the key. You dont rate him.

 

[santa claws]

This is the key. You dont rate him.

isnt this where we all come from when debating players. you rate him highly. i rate him just an honest player.joe blo rates him a dud and probably MT rates him elite.
unlike most when rating our players i use a set of criteria which has stood me in good stead. im not always right and am honest enough to say so i do get my fair share wrong.

my opinion in the scheme of things just like yours is worth jack. but we are entitled to them.

 

[Azzleberry]

isnt this where we all come from when debating players. you rate him highly. i rate him just an honest player.joe blo rates him a dud and probably MT rates him elite.
unlike most when rating our players i use a set of criteria which has stood me in good stead. im not always right and am honest enough to say so i do get my fair share wrong.

my opinion in the scheme of things just like yours is worth jack. but we are entitled to them.

Haha!! Quoted for truth!

 

[Madtiger2006]

isnt this where we all come from when debating players. you rate him highly. i rate him just an honest player.joe blo rates him a dud and probably MT rates him elite.
unlike most when rating our players i use a set of criteria which has stood me in good stead. im not always right and am honest enough to say so i do get my fair share wrong.

my opinion in the scheme of things just like yours is worth jack. but we are entitled to them.

No I rate him fairly. You rate him poorly because you rarely go to our games. I don't like the word elite. As usual you think I rate players higher that i do, but it all comes down to you being a negative prick

 

[Parquet Court]

edwards has a tendency to kick grubbers...i think that his pace is his best asset, but as ive said befpre i dont necessarily believe in players being too "short" or "skinny" to play afl footy.

there are just too many examples of exceptions to this opinion i:e: Rodan, Betts, Garlett, Varcoe, jack.

even though he is a long way off from being elite and more than likely probably not get there i to had him on a similar tier to collins

 

[tiggywigs]

At his best, Titch is clearly a game breaker. The problem is that too often we also see the worst (turnovers and clangers etc.). If he can reduce (or better, eliminate) the mistakes from his game, he will become a HUGE weapon (despite his diminutive stature).

 

[santa claws]

No I rate him fairly. You rate him poorly because you rarely go to our games. I don't like the word elite. As usual you think I rate players higher that i do, but it all comes down to you being a negative prick

no you rate all of our players with blinkers on.