Another where a Swedish guy was sent back to Sweden. He was one year old when he came to Australia, got involved with drugs/ petty crime and sent 'back'. Didn't speak a word of Swedish, and knew nobody. But lucky he was going to a first world country. There have been instances where repatriation to countries like Iran means you spend the next 10 years in jail, or you just disappear. And if think our Govt. Dept's are fair, ask the parents of any member of the Bali 9 what they think. The Immigration Dept. and the Federal Police knew before they left that these young people were going to Bali to smuggle drugs, knew that they would be caught, and knew they would face the death penalty, yet they let them go.
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Your dad was a likely terrorist however!!!! Ffs he was a foreigner who jumped the queue!!!! THE QUEUE!!!!!!!!
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How can the Government do this sort of thing?Lol. He came here when he was 5 in the early sixties from Scotland.
It's disgusting.
In the Immigration Departments Defence, 200 pounds is like 150 grand in Australian Money and even shitty accommodation in London is the price to buy outright a small flat in the Outer Western Suburbs of Melbourne a night.
Lol. He came here when he was 5 in the early sixties from Scotland
So they kicked your dad out ?
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Lol. He came here when he was 5 in the early sixties from Scotland
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TERRORIST!!!!!!
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Yeah. Similar to Dusty's dad he had his visa cancelled under character grounds.
True that, even if it was only for the 3 nights
.Yeah. Similar to Dusty's dad he had his visa cancelled under character grounds.
True that, even if it was only for the 3 nights
That’s terrible , so is he ok now over in UK ? So he can never come to oz even for a holiday ?
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Can't come back unless laws are changed.
He'll do alright because of who he is. One of those real charming people that get others to do his bidding...
That said, he knows no one over there so it would be daunting. He seems positive, mainly just to be out of Christmas island detention centre...
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When I lived in Port Melbourne a few years ago a man was attacked with a machete in what was later found to a case of “mistaken identity”.
Both guys involved were born and bred aussies. Gang violence and immigration are separate issues.
Don’t confuse the two.
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Don’t start me on Australia’s immmigration system
He was referring to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany - and I don't recall eany of the Dunera boys being convicted of a machet related cre. As for the gangs roaming the streets with machetes...Well I would advise giving the Herald Sun a rest. It'll just unsettle you.
So Im coming to Melbourne in January with my wife, should I be packing knives, machetes or just good old Richmond beanies?
Bear in mind I live in France and am surrounded daily by terrorists who want to destroy me, yet here I am, wearing beanies and bouncing all attacks.
Bear in mind I live in France and am surrounded daily by terrorists who want to destroy me, yet here I am, wearing beanies and bouncing all attacks.
Two stories about this Immigration Department that should send a shock up your spine. One I heard first hand from a refugee advocate was about a South Korean girl here on holidays who met a bloke from her country who was on a working visa and fell in love. She followed him to Mildura where he was picking and was staying with him when Immigration raided the place they were staying, saw she didn't have the right visa and , despite the fact that she hadn't been working, shipped her off to Woomera. After six months there she was more than happy to be deported home and, despite the pleas of advocates who were gunning for the cowboys who sent her there (they had form with other cases) she was unwilling to take the matter up in court.
The other was highlighted on the ABC (I think Four Corners from memory) a few years back. A young Vietnamese kid, here from a toddler, only failed to become a citizen because he had left home already when correspondence was sent inviting him to do so. Got in trouble with the cops and was sentenced for a minor crime. He was sent to be deported on character grounds but the Vietnamese refused to take him back. As a consequence he was in limbo, his sentence (a few months) had long expired but he was still in custody several years on and for all I know may still be in prison today.
The other was highlighted on the ABC (I think Four Corners from memory) a few years back. A young Vietnamese kid, here from a toddler, only failed to become a citizen because he had left home already when correspondence was sent inviting him to do so. Got in trouble with the cops and was sentenced for a minor crime. He was sent to be deported on character grounds but the Vietnamese refused to take him back. As a consequence he was in limbo, his sentence (a few months) had long expired but he was still in custody several years on and for all I know may still be in prison today.
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On the Bali 9, what was galling is that it was government policy that we do not allow dobbing in to the authorities of a country that has death penalty. They should have been arrested while leaving Australia. I hope someone at the Feds walked the plank over that.
About the other posts in this thread, I hope people understand by now that citizenship is something you need to pull your finger out of your ass and get as soon as you qualify (unless you were born here). Otherwise you're not an 'Aussie' in the eyes of the law regardless of your circumstances. And if you're not an Aussie you run the risk of being made an example of whenever the government wants to 'get tough on crime'.
It amounts to the outsourcing of capital punishment.
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Yeah. Similar to Dusty's dad he had his visa cancelled under character grounds.
True that, even if it was only for the 3 nights
im an Australian citizen and it took me 9 moths to get home, and I haven't been to jail
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to be fair dan, there are plenty of warnings about smuggling drugs and the likely outcomes, why should the Australian authorities arrest them when they left Australia? did they have the drugs on them? or do they arrest them on suspicion that they were going to try and smuggle drugs?
sorry mate but lowlife drug smugglers belong on the end of a rope., nor rewarded like we tend to do in Australia, mind you we celebrate a cop killer here too, and the poor little blond haired miss in Columbia wants this country to bail her out.
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Uhhh crime prevention? Maybe the cops could have got them to co-operate and lead them to the supplier? You know catch the big fish who will always find desperate people to prey on?
Great point ... they had no drugs on them, so they have committed no crime until caught in the act.
I agree they could have warned them that they suspected they were up to something, but they'd committed no crime at that point.
I know reading a lot of true crime books, news reports etc., there are numerous instances of blokes being tipped off they were under surveillance or police were about to act, so lay low ..... the crims just go ahead and ignore the warnings anyhows.
There was every likelihood if tipped off, the Bali Nine - or some of them - would have went ahead with things.
But as you say, the warnings are all there for ALL to see.
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most of the bleeding hearts, miss the point about them not having committed a crime before they left for bali, suspicion and actually committing a crime are two entirely different things.
some bloke in Germany in the thirties arrested people going on the "vibe"
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uhh yeah , hey guys you haven't done anything we can hang you on, but we Know youre going to be up to no good so just tell us who the supplier is
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If they didn't have enough for them to co-operate maybe at least tell the 9 of them they're onto them and stop them from giving hundreds of dollars to a drug syndicate. Or surveil them in Bali and have them unknowingly lead you to the traffickers.
Keep in mind that a concerned family member call the police asking for help. There was nothing stopping the cops from killing the entire deal before they left the country.
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