Shannon Motlop

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Thought he looked good on the weekend, he may well of been playing for his career and he really stood up. 15 odd possesions and 3 goals was a pretty good effort on the day. Should play out the year with the injuries at the club and hopefully he can give us the spark that we were missing with Aaron being a bit down on form. Any thoughts?
 

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15 odd possessions is a bit of an exaggeration. I think you'll find 10 or 11 is closer to the mark.

I'm not convinced on Motlop. For his build he seems pretty soft.

In hindsight I dont think whe should have picked a replacement player for Troy this season, but that's just my opinion.
 

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15 odd possessions is a bit of an exaggeration. I think you'll find 10 or 11 is closer to the mark.

I'm not convinced on Motlop. For his build he seems pretty soft.

In hindsight I dont think whe should have picked a replacement player for Troy this season, but that's just my opinion.
Just checked it was 13 so my apologies. Being soft at the Dees seems a requirement almost this year but I thought at least he showed some good things, couple of good tackles as well.
 

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He does have a bit of class.

I'm just not getting too wrapped up with him.

My main concern is that he was nowhere near worthy of a spot in our best22 at the start of the season, and now he is being touted as a player with a significant future at the club.

If it wasn't for injuries he wouldn't be close to selection IMO.
 

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He does have a bit of class.

I'm just not getting too wrapped up with him.

My main concern is that he was nowhere near worthy of a spot in our best22 at the start of the season, and now he is being touted as a player with a significant future at the club.

If it wasn't for injuries he wouldn't be close to selection IMO.
Probably woudnt be, but good on him for taking his opportunity when it was presented to him. The selection panel is a problem at our club I believe, when was the last time they dropped a major player. Probably Bizzell for the Freo game but in the end he played anyway, it doesnt send the right message. The likes of Yze, Green and Bruce arent worried about losing their place in the team so dont give their all IMO, we have to be tougher in future years when things arent going as well. This week was the first time in 5-6 weeks I saw some genuine effort from the majority of our players and that was with half of our "best" 22 out.
 

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A major problem IMO is Daniher and how he picks a side.

Lets start with Yze. He has been a great servantfor the MFC over the years, but there is no way in hell he is matchfit at the moment.

He can't run, he can't jump, he shirks contests, doesn't chase (all signs of someone carrying an injury). Yet, somehow he manages to keep playing. Yze is playing for himself and Daniher is allowing it.

Look at Daniel Bell. I am astounded that it took so long to finally get him back into the side. What was Daniher thinking? He suffered a minor injury and never came back in. During this period of time, perrenial Daniher favourites such as Williams, Godfrey, Rigoni and Ward were given games, all of whom are far less capable than Bell.

Just talking about this is starting to get me angry about whats going on at our club...
 

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A major problem IMO is Daniher and how he picks a side.

Lets start with Yze. He has been a great servantfor the MFC over the years, but there is no way in hell he is matchfit at the moment.

He can't run, he can't jump, he shirks contests, doesn't chase (all signs of someone carrying an injury). Yet, somehow he manages to keep playing. Yze is playing for himself and Daniher is allowing it.

Look at Daniel Bell. I am astounded that it took so long to finally get him back into the side. What was Daniher thinking? He suffered a minor injury and never came back in. During this period of time, perrenial Daniher favourites such as Williams, Godfrey, Rigoni and Ward were given games, all of whom are far less capable than Bell.

Just talking about this is starting to get me angry about whats going on at our club...
Agree on Bell, should have been brought straight back in. Lets not start on the H word, his all-time fav player.
 

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He can't run, he can't jump, he shirks contests, doesn't chase (all signs of someone carrying an injury). Yet, somehow he manages to keep playing. Yze is playing for himself and Daniher is allowing it.
He shirked contests well before carrying any injury. In any case, ND needed to send a message to the senior players well before now.

As for Motlop, he was always going to be a case of improving as the season went on because he missed out on our pre-season. Worth keeping as competition for Davey in the forward line.
 

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In regards to Adem Yze, is there any truth in the rumour that is isn't fit and is only playing because he values breaking Jim Stynes consecutive games record ?
 

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In regards to Adem Yze, is there any truth in the rumour that is isn't fit and is only playing because he values breaking Jim Stynes consecutive games record ?
I heard that rumour and I also thought it could be a possiblity.

The way he has played when the chips are down hasn't helped his case.

In my above post I gave all the evidence, just didn't wanna say it. :(
 

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Probably woudnt be, but good on him for taking his opportunity when it was presented to him. The selection panel is a problem at our club I believe, when was the last time they dropped a major player. Probably Bizzell for the Freo game but in the end he played anyway, it doesnt send the right message. The likes of Yze, Green and Bruce arent worried about losing their place in the team so dont give their all IMO, we have to be tougher in future years when things arent going as well. This week was the first time in 5-6 weeks I saw some genuine effort from the majority of our players and that was with half of our "best" 22 out.
I think that bringing Bizzell in was a big mistake. Had he stayed out the message would have been sent and perhaps should be reinforced by someone getting dropped for the Geelong game. I do admit I’d like our full available side in, but Yze should really be dropped the way he is going. Rounds 1-12 he was fantastic, was winning matches for us and leading the side very well considering Neita has been out a fair bit this year. When the team slumped he has just dropped his head and I do agree he is carrying an injury, hopefully at the least next season he plays the way he played Rounds 1-12 this year for a full season next year.
 

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I think that bringing Bizzell in was a big mistake. Had he stayed out the message would have been sent and perhaps should be reinforced by someone getting dropped for the Geelong game. I do admit I’d like our full available side in, but Yze should really be dropped the way he is going. Rounds 1-12 he was fantastic, was winning matches for us and leading the side very well considering Neita has been out a fair bit this year. When the team slumped he has just dropped his head and I do agree he is carrying an injury, hopefully at the least next season he plays the way he played Rounds 1-12 this year for a full season next year.
I think I agree.
In fact NO ONE with senior experience, who is a supposed 'leader' has actually been omitted.
We have had a couple of people with the flu like Brown, but I wonder if all those important but underperforming players weren't injured, if Daniher would have the guts to drop them.
 

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problem is we need our underpreforming seniors to preform inorder to win games so ND cant really afford to drop them

if someone like rigoni or armstrong has a good game it wont be a match winner while if TJ or Yze have one it could be and the the probability of them having a good game would be still higher even if they are underpreforming
 

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Perhaps Yze isn't quite fit but he is standing up and has done so plenty of times this year. I doubt Yze can be considered really soft - out of form perhaps but then no player goes through an entire career without a lowish patch. And last week he wasn't too bad - better than others. Someo people are too quick to jump on a players back, especially one that has done much for the club.

I believe he derserves to break Stynes record and can't wait for him to be the first Demon to reach 300 games (injury permitting to Neitz). :)
 

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problem is we need our underpreforming seniors to preform inorder to win games so ND cant really afford to drop them

if someone like rigoni or armstrong has a good game it wont be a match winner while if TJ or Yze have one it could be and the the probability of them having a good game would be still higher even if they are underpreforming
We could sit around all year waiting for these guys to turn it on, while they just go through the motions knowing they will get a game and a healthy pay slip. Or we could show some guts and drop one or two of these guys (not necessarily at the same time) and show them that you don't get a game at the Melbourne Football Club because of your name or reputation, you have to earn it every single week. But of course, being the Melbourne Football Club, we simply don't aim high enough and seem to have the belief that near enough is good enough. Absolutel bullsh*t if you ask me!
 

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well do u really think that the team that played adelaide would have a hope against any team even if they ran into some decent form?

im praying that Green gets 20 touches and 2 goals and TJ gets 25 and sets up a few. Yze my hope is 3 goals
 

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The team against Adelaide actually had a go. We lost because we weren't good enough. I can accept that as a member of this club. I cannot accept losing because we don't try hard enough, or because we don't want it enough. There is no doubt we have the talent on our list to make the Top 4, but talent means nothing without a bit of elbow grease.
 

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The team against Adelaide actually had a go. We lost because we weren't good enough. I can accept that as a member of this club. I cannot accept losing because we don't try hard enough, or because we don't want it enough. There is no doubt we have the talent on our list to make the Top 4, but talent means nothing without a bit of elbow grease.
yeh and i totally agree with you mate except to win the following 3 games and games in the finals if we get there then we will need our best players 2 be inform so we must play them
 

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Probably woudnt be, but good on him for taking his opportunity when it was presented to him. The selection panel is a problem at our club I believe, when was the last time they dropped a major player. Probably Bizzell for the Freo game but in the end he played anyway, it doesnt send the right message. The likes of Yze, Green and Bruce arent worried about losing their place in the team so dont give their all IMO, we have to be tougher in future years when things arent going as well. This week was the first time in 5-6 weeks I saw some genuine effort from the majority of our players and that was with half of our "best" 22 out.

Bizzell played because Wheatley got the flu.

This week we definately need our "best", ie. most talented gamebreakers to play and hope they perform to have any chance of winning. Wouldn't hold my breath but am still (stupidly) hopeful.
 

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yeh and i totally agree with you mate except to win the following 3 games and games in the finals if we get there then we will need our best players 2 be inform so we must play them
The move should have been done weeks ago.
 
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