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FIGJAM said:
How can you form an opinion on the veracity of aspects of self-realisation, without having self-realised, or even attempted to enter into these states of consciousness?
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Isn't that a bit like saying how can I make a judgment on scientology and it's notion of thetan bodies, e-meters and xenu without experiencing it's effects?
 

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FIGJAM said:
I am referring to the concept of Enlightenment as taught by the likes of Gurdjieff, which is brought about by intensive meditation and eventual elimination of the ego, and not some loose psychological term used by the likes of Maslow.


They exist.
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Just saw this on youtube. Pretty good I reckons.

[YOUTUBE]TkVThicTF8k[/YOUTUBE]
 
FIGJAM said:
How can you form an opinion on the veracity of aspects of self-realisation, without having self-realised, or even attempted to enter into these states of consciousness?
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Richo83 said:
Isn't that a bit like saying how can I make a judgment on scientology and it's notion of thetan bodies, e-meters and xenu without experiencing it's effects?
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Not in the slightest.

evo said:
Just saw this on youtube. Pretty good I reckons.

[YOUTUBE]TkVThicTF8k[/YOUTUBE]
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There are many naturalist Buddhists who impose their ideas about Buddhism and the nature of energy on everyone.

The best quote from the video is from the Master Dogen:

Do not follow the ideas of others; learn to listen to the voice within yourself. (...plus...) Your body and mind will become clear and you will realize the unity of all things.
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This is not the mindless voice that tells you you want a flash car to show off to your mates, then tells you you need a burger; the "voice" he is talking about is the illuminating void. It is within there that you can begin to experience what is known as 'truth'.

You may get echoes of the truth within philosophy books and some pretty YouTube vids, but more often than not they are just the "ideas of others" that you are "following". That very much includes listening to me, and why I say there is only one way to have any effing idea whatsoever what the the likes of Gautama, Plato, Ibn Arabi etc. were talking about.
 

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jumpinjimmy said:
Hi Smiddy:thumbsu: Still as cantankerous as ever I see:D Has BP upset you?
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Hullo jj
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And the answer to your question is no.
 

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