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Spotted this the other day and thought I'd share it with you:






From Ouspensky's book 'In Search Of The Miraculous'


There was an evil magician. He lived deep in the mountains and the forests, and he had thousands of sheep. But the problem was that the sheep were afraid of the magician because every day the sheep were seeing that one of them was being killed for his breakfast, another was being killed for his lunch. So they ran away from the magician's ranch and it was a difficult job to find them in the vast forest. Being a magician, he used magic.

He hypnotized all the sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it.

He then told different sheep...to some, "You are a man, you need not be afraid. It is only the sheep who are going to be killed and eaten, not you. You are a man just like I am." Some other sheep were told, "You are a lion -- only sheep are afraid. They escape, they are cowards. You are a lion; you would prefer to die than to run away. You don't belong to these sheep. So when they are killed it is not your problem. They are meant to be killed, but you are the most loved of my friends in this forest." In this way, he told every sheep different stories, and from the second day, the sheep stopped running away from the house.

They still saw other sheep being killed, butchered, but it was not their concern. Somebody was a lion, somebody was a tiger, somebody was a man, somebody was a magician and so forth. Nobody was a sheep except the one who was being killed. This way, without keeping servants, he managed thousands of sheep. They would go into the forest for their food, for their water, and they would come back home, believing always one thing: "It is some sheep who is going to be killed, not you. You don't belong to the sheep. You are a lion -- respected, honored, a friend of the great magician." The magician's problems were solved and the sheep never ran away again.
 

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Gutsy question. You're a shark.
I know you'd like me to explain the subtleties of the story but I don't speak 'bleat ' and anything else is beyond your comprehension. It's targetted to those on the cusp of self-realisation.
 
I know you'd like me to explain the subtleties of the story but I don't speak 'bleat ' and anything else is beyond your comprehension. It's targetted to those on the cusp of self-realisation
You are certainly on the cusp of something there mate :eek:

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Also if he was such a smart magician, why was he living so deep in the forest and overeating.

Simply by relocating and not being such a fat bastard, he could start selling the sheep, hence making a tidy profit and likely increasing his standard of living. Probably also help him avoid an early death due to heart disease or any number of conditions associated with chronic obesity.

He would also be better served reading up on slightly more modern farming techniques than letting his sheep roam wild and free. Also the strange anthropomorphising of his livestock, speaks to a sense of deep loneliness and longing for companionship no matter how perverse. He would probably be advised then to seek out some form of healthy human interaction and maybe making regular appointments with his local therapist.

Seems to have a bit of a god complex as well as some severe control and self esteem issues.
 

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So the magician has a herd of sheep who appear to be able to talk, or at least understand speech, and he has been eating them? The sheep are clearly the scientific find of the century. It is clearly irresponsible to eat such an important specimin.

But what have the sheep been eating in the forest? Sheep are grazing animals. They need grasslands. There would be very few edible plants for them in the forest.
 
If the world understood a fraction of the 'Fourth Way', we wouldn't be in the shit we currently find ourselves in.

Master.

I don't mind the goals of the 'fourth way' but some of the teachings are absolute nonsense and have **** all to do with self-realisation (IMO of course)

For example, subtle bodies.
 

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I don't mind the goals of the 'fourth way' but some of the teachings are absolute nonsense and have **** all to do with self-realisation (IMO of course)
How can you form an opinion on the veracity of aspects of self-realisation, without having self-realised, or even attempted to enter into these states of consciousness?
 
How can you form an opinion on the veracity of aspects of self-realisation, without having self-realised,

How do you know I haven't made an investigation into self-realisation? What you mean by this question, I suspect, is: why haven't I done it the way you believe to be the correct path.

or even attempted to enter into these states of consciousness?
Why would I attempt a state I don't believe has any relevance, or even exists?
 
How do you know I haven't made an investigation into self-realisation? What you mean by this question, I suspect, is: why haven't I done it the way you believe to be the correct path.
I am referring to the concept of Enlightenment as taught by the likes of Gurdjieff, which is brought about by intensive meditation and eventual elimination of the ego, and not some loose psychological term used by the likes of Maslow.

Why would I attempt a state I don't believe exists?
They exist.
 
I am referring to the concept of Enlightenment as taught by the likes of Gurdjieff, which is brought about by intensive meditation and eventual elimination of the ego, and not some loose psychological term used by the likes of Maslow.
I know what you are talking about. I have read his 'Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson'

If you want to believe 'cosmic laws' have anything to do with it that's up to you I suppose.

They exist.
What does?
 
The 'subtle bodies' that you have rejected without investigation.
Have you considered that the three 'bodies' after the first that apparently 'exist' are totally contrary to the Eastern metaphysical view of 'co-dependent arising'( or whatever name you prefer for it)?

As are his views on 'free-will'.

That's all I'll say on it for risk of being charged with over-intellectualising. ;)
 

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