Short memories, Mr Kennett and hypocrisy.

[sthmelb_dimmies]

If that's your stance maybe switch to a sport other than AFL? Last I watched there seemed to be a hell of a lot of ads for Sportsbet, Betfair and the like. Don't tell me on-line sport betting isn't going to be at least as big a problem as pokie addiction

I fully agree that sports betting pervasiveness is a huge problem and one we have to tackle and I celebrate the demise of Herr Waterhouse since that backlash.

The issue I have with the Family Club's baiting victims is the targeting of poor communities to harvest gambling revenue.

Where's the pokie joint on Glenferrie Rd? Avoided so they could prioritise the Caroline Springs heartland? Spare me.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Obesity is a bigger issue than people give credit for.

I thought people understood it is pretty big. Huge, in fact.

 

[basashi]

I thought people understood it is pretty big. Huge, in fact.

I tried to tell someone that it was more important than domestic violence but they were less receptive than one might have imagined.

 

[B4Bear]

If you support a team that has pokies, switch to one that doesn't.

What he said.


https://membership.nmfc.com.au/browse-packages

 

[Luv_our_club]

The issue I have with the Family Club's baiting victims is the targeting of poor communities to harvest gambling revenue.
.

It is not going to be an overnight fix to phase them out....

NSW has funded sport with pokies for decades.

Tasmania as a state just voted to keep them in local communities.

And would it not be hypocritical to sell your pokies license/club to someone else so they can continue the practice and you can then claim being a clean skin??

 

[Furn2]

Obesity is a bigger issue than people give credit for.

But alcohol is not comparable with gambling. The overwhelming majority of alcohol that is drunk is done so responsibly. The overwhelming majority of people who drink do so responsibly.

Pokies derive a very significant proportion of their revenue from very serious problem gamblers. Without the extreme problem gamblers, pokies would not exist in most clubs. If it was all about nights out that consisted of "meal, 3 drinks, 20 bucks on pokies and then home" then pokie venues would be gone. Pokies venues rely on addicted gamblers to survive

There is also the matter that a bet on the pokies is a financial deal that is worth less than it costs the instant you commit to it. What is most telling about that is that the best performing treatment for pokie addiction is education in probability and statistics. This tells us that most problem gamblers have an idiea but do not accurately, explicitly understand the maths of the deal they are in. And to profit from pokies is to exploit that lack of knowledge.

This is before you even get into the social impact on those problem gamblers whose teeth are being kicked in by pokies.

Installing pokies is a uniquely discreditable and unethical thing for a footy club to do.

If you support a team that has pokies, switch to one that doesn't.

Alcohol kills 15 people a day in Australia. thats 5,500 a year.

Over 1 million Australians drink more than 55 standard drinks a week, 4 million binge drink or drink daily which account for 75% of alcohol sales.

1 million Australian children live in a home effected by alcohol abuse and over 10,000 are in government care due to alcohol abuse.

Meanwhile 600,000 Australian play pokies at all of which around 95,000 are problem gamblers.

It's not even close as to which is the bigger issue.

 

[gavaniacono]

just open in an incognito browser novices)

w***er.

 

[gavaniacono]

Best you delete this or be accused of hypocrisy. Have you seen your own sponsors page? McDonalds and Coke

Ouch!

 

[Kappa]

Obesity is a bigger issue than people give credit for.

But alcohol is not comparable with gambling. The overwhelming majority of alcohol that is drunk is done so responsibly. The overwhelming majority of people who drink do so responsibly.

Pokies derive a very significant proportion of their revenue from very serious problem gamblers. Without the extreme problem gamblers, pokies would not exist in most clubs. If it was all about nights out that consisted of "meal, 3 drinks, 20 bucks on pokies and then home" then pokie venues would be gone. Pokies venues rely on addicted gamblers to survive

There is also the matter that a bet on the pokies is a financial deal that is worth less than it costs the instant you commit to it. What is most telling about that is that the best performing treatment for pokie addiction is education in probability and statistics. This tells us that most problem gamblers have an idiea but do not accurately, explicitly understand the maths of the deal they are in. And to profit from pokies is to exploit that lack of knowledge.

This is before you even get into the social impact on those problem gamblers whose teeth are being kicked in by pokies.

Installing pokies is a uniquely discreditable and unethical thing for a footy club to do.

If you support a team that has pokies, switch to one that doesn't.

What complete garbage, in Australia alone over 5000 Australians die each year due to alcohol or alcohol related illnesses, and the amount of people hospitalised is 10 times that.

Alcohol is just as addictive as the pokies, but in one case most people do it responsibility while in the other they don't? What percentage of pokies players are problem gamblers, where do you get this information that "Pokies derive a very significant proportion of their revenue from very serious problem gamblers" ?

 

[Power Raid]

all footy clubs should step away from gambling

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I thought people understood it is pretty big. Huge, in fact.

Are you fat-shaming the obesity issue?

 

[Leather Poisoning]

What complete garbage, in Australia alone over 5000 Australians die each year due to alcohol or alcohol related illnesses, and the amount of people hospitalised is 10 times that.

Alcohol is just as addictive as the pokies, but in one case most people do it responsibility while in the other they don't? What percentage of pokies players are problem gamblers, where do you get this information that "Pokies derive a very significant proportion of their revenue from very serious problem gamblers" ?

The last time I looked into this (about 4 years ago) problem gamblers were estimated to contribute approx 60% pokies revenue.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Are you fat-shaming the obesity issue?

Mate, is there a problem with me? You seem pretty neg re my posts.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

If that's your stance maybe switch to a sport other than AFL? Last I watched there seemed to be a hell of a lot of ads for Sportsbet, Betfair and the like. Don't tell me on-line sport betting isn't going to be at least as big a problem as pokie addiction

It’s growing so much faster than pokies, but by pure volume pokies are a much bigger problem.

Last time I did research on this (again, about 4 years ago) about 10% of the vic gov income came from pokies. We are among world leaders in this category. The size of the problem is phenomenal.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

If that's your stance maybe switch to a sport other than AFL? Last I watched there seemed to be a hell of a lot of ads for Sportsbet, Betfair and the like. Don't tell me on-line sport betting isn't going to be at least as big a problem as pokie addiction

It’s growing so much faster than pokies, but by pure volume pokies are a much bigger problem.

Last time I did research on this (again, about 4 years ago) about 10% of the vic gov income came from pokies. We are among world leaders in this category. The size of the problem is phenomenal.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Mate, is there a problem with me? You seem pretty neg re my posts.

Not at all - that was a totally tongue in cheek comment, meant entirely as a gag.

 

[Back One Out]

all footy clubs should step away from gambling

Why? Because the wowsers said so? Who cares what they say?

If footy clubs sold their pokies pubs to other operators, those profits would just go into the pockets of some rich campaigners who don't need it. I think it's far better that an AFL club makes some coin from their pokies than hand that money over to some rich prick who owns 5 houses

Unless the government decides to outlaw all forms of gambling (and say goodbye to billions they themselves rake in from gambling - fat chance) then footy clubs should be free to decide on whatever business opportunities they see fit.

Why should footy clubs be held to a different standard than other business corporations? What sort of socialist utopia are people dreaming of? This is Australia in 2018, right? The antiquated idea that AFL clubs are a pillar of the community is just bullshit. They are nothing more than franchises of the AFL TV Entertainment corporation

If the Sydney Swans want to present a wholesome image to their corporate sponsors and that means no gaming revenue, that's their choice. They have the advantage of being in a niche market in a city of 5 million people. It's a different survival situation for the 9 clubs in Melbourne with only so much sponsorship revenue and TV exposure to go around.

Hypocritical Swans fans like sthmelb_dimmies should remember the reason South Melbourne died and had to relocate to Sydney was because they couldn't cut it in the Melbourne market against 10 other clubs. They were a bunch of amateurs who couldn't survive when VFL footy went corporate in the 1980's.

 

[Listclogger]

http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/club/corporate/partners

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What was that?

I’m surprised the Hawks are sponsored by the Glennferrie Hotel - I was expecting the Dingley International.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Spot on about the Sportsbet and Betfair advertising. I haven't been able to hear myself think during the quarter time breaks at the MCG because of the betting ads over the PA.

Kennett is right... The AFL doesn't like rich, independent clubs such as Hawthorn and Collingwood who make their own cash and don't need to suck the AFL tit. They'd prefer to have all 18 clubs bowing and scraping and begging for scraps off the table. All part of their push for "equalisation". The AFL's worker bees in the media write the same anti-pokies propaganda every year. Always singling Hawthorn out because we're a soft target. Why don't they talk about how much money the Big Four clubs make from pokies? Surely Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond make enough money from their MCG blockbusters they don't need to have pokies?

Here's an idea.. How about we scrap the equalisation fund and handouts for the poor clubs? Let's also scrap the rigged fixture which favours Coll/Ess/Carl/Rich. No more Anzac Day, Dreamtime and other million dollar benefit games. Let's see all teams play the same number of games on Friday night. Rotate the teams we play twice. If that means only one Coll v Ess game for 2019, so be it... Equalise the fixtures so no clubs are given any financial advantage and quit funding footy clubs that nobody cares about. Let the strong survive. Then we won't need to have pokies or sell any home games.

Yep exactly - the only reason the AFL is pushing clubs to get rid of pokies is because they realise more clubs may become self sufficient and less hesitant to call the AFL out in their bullshit. I'm sure given the AFL's concern with gambling they'll be shedding sponsorships from TAB, Sportsbet, Betfair, Crown, Ladbrokes etc and pushing the media who present their games to do the same.

 

[Back One Out]

It’s growing so much faster than pokies, but by pure volume pokies are a much bigger problem.

Last time I did research on this (again, about 4 years ago) about 10% of the vic gov income came from pokies. We are among world leaders in this category. The size of the problem is phenomenal.

In your opinion, it's a problem.

Most people don't have a problem with pokies which is why they were legalised and why the vast majority of people are happy for them to continue operating. There is a vocal minority who decry the evils of pokies. They should worry about themselves instead of trying to dictate how everyone else must live their lives.

Yes, there are addicts, but getting rid of pokies is not going to cure them. People will find whatever gambling medium suits them the best.

People like their vices. They like their booze, drugs, gambling, hookers, pr0n, etc. Whatever floats their boat.
That's the way of the world. Do you think you can "save the world" ?

1. Why should AFL clubs be prevented from running gaming venues if others are permitted to do so?
2. If gambling was outlawed in this country, how would you propose to make up the shortfall in government revenue?

 

[PenAndPaper]

All the people taking the 'moral' high ground and wanting to get rid of the pokies to "help people" are the same people that would have no problem with the amount of people that were left unemployed by the decision

 

[GreyCrow]

All the people taking the 'moral' high ground and wanting to get rid of the pokies to "help people" are the same people that would have no problem with the amount of people that were left unemployed by the decision

This argument is corrupted. Its the same argument about not shutting car plants down or coal fired electricity grids. People eventually find jobs. Yes there is a blip but it settles.

 

[HairyO]

On Hawthorn's relationship with the rest of the league and HQ:


Paywall (just open in an incognito browser novices)

No Jeffrey. Your club sucks at the poisoned tit of pokie revenue which its become fiercely dependant on. And the clock is ticking. Independence bollocks. The hubris.

Lets see how independent you are of all the vulnerable families your Family Club dangles the gambling lure in front of to remain 'independent'.

Lets see who turns mendicant once the pokie magic carpet ride ends. Maybe a merger is the best you could hope for, in a truly national comp the Melbourne brand will easily trump an obscure inner eastern suburb.

You seem to have missed the bigger issue in that only a couple of clubs have the balls to stand up to the AFL. The rest are partially or wholly owned by the AFL and will never rock the boat - no matter how terrible the ideas are which come from AFL House.

 

[Kwality]

Meanwhile its ok to be partners with McDonalds, Coca-Cola and Wolf Blass ?

Enjoy what you will, but where are these PC know it alls coming from?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Enjoy what you will, but where are these PC know it alls coming from?

The humanities department of your local university.

It's overflowing with the things.