Short memories, Mr Kennett and hypocrisy.

[Upgrayedd]

Considering there are more than double the amount of pubs/bars in Victoria compared to WA .

crazy, it's like the population of WA is 2.5 Million and the population of Victoria is 5.5 Million.

double you say? Oh wow cant imagine why

 

[Ned_Flanders]

crazy, it's like the population of WA is 2.5 Million and the population of Victoria is 5.5 Million.

double you say? Oh wow cant imagine why

wait..... let me go get my calculator....

 

[PenAndPaper]

crazy, it's like the population of WA is 2.5 Million and the population of Victoria is 5.5 Million.

double you say? Oh wow cant imagine why

Also crazy that it would mean double the unemployment if a ban went ahead...amazing

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Also crazy that it would mean double the unemployment if a ban went ahead...amazing

wrong

in addition to other businesses taking over the pokies venues and employing people, guess what else happens

punters instead of handing their pension cheque over to Mathieson, spend it on food, clothes, richmond memberships, all of which support additional employment in those areas

 

[GreyCrow]

wrong

in addition to other businesses taking over the pokies venues and employing people, guess what else happens

punters instead of handing their pension cheque over to Mathieson, spend it on food, clothes, richmond memberships, all of which support additional employment in those areas

Now thats going into fantasy land

But you are right. Once again the demographics change but some retire, some move into other/similar jobs and those already unemployed have to wait a little longer as the fresh lot get employed first (mostly)

 

[PenAndPaper]

wrong

in addition to other businesses taking over the pokies venues and employing people, guess what else happens

punters instead of handing their pension cheque over to Mathieson, spend it on food, clothes, richmond memberships, all of which support additional employment in those areas

So a bunch of unemployed people who are skilled in gaming are just going to magically get jobs for these new businesses without the skillset required provided they actually do get bought for business purposes. There is still going to be a hell of a lot of unemployed people because of it.

 

[GreyCrow]

So a bunch of unemployed people who are skilled in gaming are just going to magically get jobs for these new businesses without the skillset required provided they actually do get bought for business purposes. There is still going to be a hell of a lot of unemployed people because of it.

1. Exactly how many?
2. Gaming skills are? Handing out change? Every other skill is transferrable

 

[GUMBLETRON]

skilled in gaming

 

[Ned_Flanders]

So a bunch of unemployed people who are skilled in gaming are just going to magically get jobs for these new businesses without the skillset required provided they actually do get bought for business purposes. There is still going to be a hell of a lot of unemployed people because of it.

yeah, because customer service jobs, hospitality jobs, and management jobs are so rare in australia

only gaming venues employ people with these skills.....

 

[PenAndPaper]

1. Exactly how many?
2. Gaming skills are? Handing out change? Every other skill is transferrable

1. Obviously nobody would have an exact figure but lets say 753362
2. Way to understate their skillset. For a lot of people that has been their sole job, so also the one they are most skilled in.

yeah, because customer service jobs, hospitality jobs, and management jobs are so rare in australia

only gaming venues employ people with these skills.....

That's what I'm saying though, there are going to be so many venues that close down, which will reduce the available pool of hospitality jobs with a sharply increased unemployed pool of hospitality specialised workers.

How can you not see that would be a huge problem?

 

[GreyCrow]

1. Obviously nobody would have an exact figure but lets say 753362
2. Way to understate their skillset. For a lot of people that has been their sole job, so also the one they are most skilled in.

1. lol. But there are so many job losses yet nobody knows? emotional blackmail
2. Its why I asked about the skills. You can choose to ignore it or answer , thats entirely up to you

 

[Ned_Flanders]

1. Obviously nobody would have an exact figure but lets say 753362
2. Way to understate their skillset. For a lot of people that has been their sole job, so also the one they are most skilled in.


That's what I'm saying though, there are going to be so many venues that close down, which will reduce the available pool of hospitality jobs with a sharply increased unemployed pool of hospitality specialised workers.

How can you not see that would be a huge problem?

they will do what everyone else does, look at other sectors that need those skills

do you think we should be paying farmers extra to protect rural jobs? or plumbers during building slowdowns? or teachers in areas with falling student populations?

 

[PenAndPaper]

they will do what everyone else does, look at other sectors that need those skills

do you think we should be paying farmers extra to protect rural jobs? or plumbers during building slowdowns? or teachers in areas with falling student populations?

Obviously they are going to look into other sectors to get jobs, that's not the issue. The issue is them not having jobs and a lack of available opportunities because the unemployed pool grows but the jobs in there specific areas of expertise doesn't grow at that same rate.
We aren't talking about hospitality workers being paid extra to protect their jobs though, strange analogy.

1. lol. But there are so many job losses yet nobody knows? emotional blackmail
2. Its why I asked about the skills. You can choose to ignore it or answer , thats entirely up to you

1. So you don't think there would be significant job loss if pokies were banned?
2. Considering they have all had to undertake courses on gaming/gambling/security and a fair majority in accounting, then yep I would say they are pretty skilled. There's your answer, does that suffice for you?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Obviously they are going to look into other sectors to get jobs, that's not the issue. The issue is them not having jobs and a lack of available opportunities because the unemployed pool grows but the jobs in there specific areas of expertise doesn't grow at that same rate.
We aren't talking about hospitality workers being paid extra to protect their jobs though, strange analogy.


1. So you don't think there would be significant job loss if pokies were banned?
2. Considering they have all had to undertake courses on gaming/gambling/security and a fair majority in accounting, then yep I would say they are pretty skilled. There's your answer, does that suffice for you?

1) after 6-12 months? no

2) accounting and security jobs are dime a dozen. they are skilled AND their skills are in demand. they will get jobs. why are pokies so special? If i didnt know better I'd swear you work for one

 

[PenAndPaper]

1) after 6-12 months? no

2) accounting and security jobs are dime a dozen. they are skilled AND their skills are in demand. they will get jobs. why are pokies so special? If i didnt know better I'd swear you work for one

1. 6-12 months is still a long period of time where there would be mass unemployment from the loss of pokies. That's still an issue.
2. The thing is their accounting and security skills are specific to the gaming industry. Its not like they can just go and get a job in those fields without the higher formal qualifications that people gain through Uni.

I'm not debating that they would have to find new skills, I am however saying that it would have a much larger affect on a larger portion of the population than you think it would

BTW...I previously worked in hospitality as a teenager/early 20's, in pokies venues (but not specifically the pokies), haven't worked in hospitality almost a decade now.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

1. 6-12 months is still a long period of time where there would be mass unemployment from the loss of pokies. That's still an issue.
2. The thing is their accounting and security skills are specific to the gaming industry. Its not like they can just go and get a job in those fields without the higher formal qualifications that people gain through Uni.

I'm not debating that they would have to find new skills, I am however saying that it would have a much larger affect on a larger portion of the population than you think it would

BTW...I previously worked in hospitality as a teenager/early 20's, in pokies venues (but not specifically the pokies), haven't worked in hospitality almost a decade now.

6-12 is a normal transition and it is manageable. people will be getting months, if not years notice of venue changes, so its not like they find out today that the venue is closing monday

those skills are transferable. I worked in export, and our docs people had specialized skills. but guess what, people in supply chain and operations poach them all the time because of their ability to work a deadline, attention to detail, and familiarity with SAP (or like) systems.

it will be the same with this.

protecting pokie venue jobs is the worst reason to keep pokies open. If that logic holds, the australian govt should be paying GM billions to keep Elizabeth open. Thank christ they didnt

 

[Power Raid]

So a bunch of unemployed people who are skilled in gaming are just going to magically get jobs for these new businesses without the skillset required provided they actually do get bought for business purposes. There is still going to be a hell of a lot of unemployed people because of it.

you don't measure things by inputs, rather you measure outputs.

there is no loss of outputs, so no loss to the economy if they loose their jobs. sure a little pain whilst they find work but there is more work than people, so no issue.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

1. Obviously nobody would have an exact figure but lets say 753362
2. Way to understate their skillset. For a lot of people that has been their sole job, so also the one they are most skilled in.


That's what I'm saying though, there are going to be so many venues that close down, which will reduce the available pool of hospitality jobs with a sharply increased unemployed pool of hospitality specialised workers.

How can you not see that would be a huge problem?

It’s amazing. I can’t believe people don’t get it. They think you can undo 30 years with the click of a finger.

It will be an enormous, expensive undertaking which will displace a lot of people.

 

[eggtardo]

Jeff the hypocrite is the largest shareholder and a director of Amtek. If you don’t know what they do... look them up.

 

[Kwality]

6-12 is a normal transition and it is manageable. people will be getting months, if not years notice of venue changes, so its not like they find out today that the venue is closing monday

those skills are transferable. I worked in export, and our docs people had specialized skills. but guess what, people in supply chain and operations poach them all the time because of their ability to work a deadline, attention to detail, and familiarity with SAP (or like) systems.

it will be the same with this.

protecting pokie venue jobs is the worst reason to keep pokies open. If that logic holds, the australian govt should be paying GM billions to keep Elizabeth open. Thank christ they didnt

The whole pokies issue is full of contradictions ... you only have to look at the community benefits they are supposed to provide, been rorted since day #1 & consecutive State Govts have rubber stamped the rorts.

tiger74 is so right, good people get headhunted.

 

[Our Game]

Kennett is just a loudmouth boofhead that craves media attention

 

[Kwality]

Jeff the hypocrite is the largest shareholder and a director of Amtek. If you don’t know what they do... look them up.

Interesting claim about Kennetts shareholding, you didnt support it eggy, why is that?

 

[eggtardo]

Interesting claim about Kennetts shareholding, you didnt support it eggy, why is that?

I’m not the most tech savvy and are using my phone ... so if you mean I didn’t provide a link, that is why.
The herald sun did note him as the largest shareholder in an article last year.... possibly that could have changed since.
I agree, in particular with afl clubs, that the community benefit is a rort.

 

[Kwality]

Honestly don’t see how this is the case. A lot of venues are dependent on pokies, which subsidise the rest of the business. Without pokies they’d close - not sure how they wouldn’t result in loss of jobs.

Reality is that the community is hooked on pokies and the tax and jobs they pay for. It’ll take some time to transition away from them.

Are you aware of any example of a Government walking away from a source of revenue after it'd been introduced?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Are you aware of any example of a Government walking away from a source of revenue after it'd been introduced?

they do, but only when replaced with other (hopefully better) forms of revenue raising (which is needed because your expenditures are not falling)

best example is when the states gave up BAD taxes for the GST. states have also been lowering payroll tax due to interstate competition, and there is discussion of eliminating payroll tax as a part of the next GST review (when we get a govt with the balls to actually do it)