Yes but that is like any medicine, don't eat a packet of Panadol in one sitting, but you can still buy it. Believe me the people of Hunza eat far in excess of what we are told is dangerous. I know people who have eaten 20 a day for 30 years, no problem. I think someone reacted badly to it so, as people do any measure of medicines, so they banned it. And the side effects are only dizziness and vomiting even if you overdose or are allergic, fairly benign compared to tobacco, which even though it is carcinogenic is still available. I can no longer eat kernels however.
Should AFL players be FORCED to have a flu shot?
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No employment agreement includes everything you may be required to do in the scope of your work. Every possible eventuality.
Most employment agreements usually say something like the employee will "follow any lawful and reasonable direction of the employer".
A flu shot would fit under this.
It is reasonable to ask this because of risks posed to other players.
Remember mining companies can require an employee to have a medical if it is reasonable for risk management on site.
Not an unusual request.
On the 'human rights' angle.
We have competing rights
1. the right of a nitwit to have a non-medical opinion they got from facebook
versus
2. The rights of others in the workplace to not be put at unnecessary risk of illness (which in a professional sport would have a serious impact on their livelihood).
Let's put it another way.
If the AFL was blase about vaccination and a player became sick from another player and this ended his career (and was preventable) - id be suing the AFL for NOT enforcing vaccination.
close thread.
Most employment agreements usually say something like the employee will "follow any lawful and reasonable direction of the employer".
A flu shot would fit under this.
It is reasonable to ask this because of risks posed to other players.
Remember mining companies can require an employee to have a medical if it is reasonable for risk management on site.
Not an unusual request.
On the 'human rights' angle.
We have competing rights
1. the right of a nitwit to have a non-medical opinion they got from facebook
versus
2. The rights of others in the workplace to not be put at unnecessary risk of illness (which in a professional sport would have a serious impact on their livelihood).
Let's put it another way.
If the AFL was blase about vaccination and a player became sick from another player and this ended his career (and was preventable) - id be suing the AFL for NOT enforcing vaccination.
close thread.
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1. It is the god damn flu.
2. The efficacy of the flu shot is so low as to make the argument you put up not nearly compelling enough to infringe a person's rights in that manner.
The myth that they don't cause autism is just as prevalent as the myth they do. The fact is we just don't know.
Claims Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism Have No Substance, An Australian Perspective - Part 1
We’ve all heard it a million times: hundreds of science studies have shown vaccines do not cause autism. So vaccines could not possibly be causing autism, in this or any alternate universe. But. We also know hundreds of thousands of parents worldwide say their children had bad reactions to...avn.org.au
I don't really have an opinion on this one either way but that website is garbage, I can't believe you think posting that adds anything at all to any argument.
That is like me posting an evangelical website as proof of the existence of God.
Not close thread yet, it is an interesting point. Yes they can require a flu shot but you can probably object on the grounds of personal belief.
In this scenario it means you don't play without a flu shot, but it is debatable whether a club could withhold wages on that basis.
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How did you reach that conclusion?
Please tell me that is not a serious question. It is obviously biased site with an agenda, all posting it proves is that it is an obviously biased site with an agenda. Bullshit pseudo science.
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Clutching at straws. You haven't even read through the site have you. Show me the bias.
Youve never heard of career ending polio either have you?
Wonder why *face?
But what's the other argument?
The right to believe in Facebook mummies?
What is the 'right'?
Please explain it.
You are also flat out wrong!
Whereby getting Ur info from? A Facebook mum page?
The efficacy is around 50% which is bloody good when you consider the death rate and high transmission.
Saves thousands of lives every single year in Australia. Just a plain fact.
Correct
Oh dear....
No words
First you say science says it doesn't work.
Then u say there are scientists testing it.
That's how science works mate.
You test. You check. You see results
See if it can be replicated.
Ffs
If they work. We will know why soon.
If they don't. They don't.
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What has the ‘flu’ got to do with Corona virus? If you didn’t need to have a flu shot pre Corona, why are they necessary now?? If vaccines were the miracle cure that some in here are touting then why would be having this debate? Each person is the best qualified person to understand their own body. Individual human rights actually trump so-called group rights that don’t actually exist in law.
Yes my dad had polio, so I know about that. Also polio is a fair way from flu. Never heard a player end his career in regard to FLU, not vaccines in general.
Love fu** face reference.
They've known about this science since it was first published in the British Medical Journal in the 50's. People have been eating them for centuries with no adverse affects. I have been eating them for a decade, many people I know decades. Yet the 'science' says it is poison and is now illegal. A natural substance is illegal to sell and eat. Tobacco. alcohol, Roundup, known carcinogenic are all widely available. Hence I question the science.
- Ahem the site has "LIES" as an overlay as soon as you open it
- The article itself is titled "Claims...have no substance"
- The author is not even credited and it specifically says that this is an advocacy group
- The site also says "Back in 1994 we were feeling that the government and the medical community, in general, tended to exaggerate the safety and benefit profiles of vaccinations whilst downplaying their risks and true effectiveness"
- It then breaks down an article by linking to it's own publications as apparently debunking medical journal articles
- The head of the organisation describes her children as "vaccine-injured"
- It purports to disprove statements by bald assertions with no evidence provided
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Because health authorities are concerned about too many people presenting at hospital with the flu at the same time as they are dealing with a pandemic, because the symptoms of the flu make it more likely you will pass on corona if you have it, and finally because the AFL is asking for special treatment during a global health emergency so extra precautions may be required.
And while 'each person is the best qualified person to understand their own body' is a great catchphrase, it's patently untrue. If I get cancer, I think I'll take my doctor's word over my own, what with their years of study and practice.
He's not taking the piss, he's a conspiracy theorist who regularly posts junk science that support his predetermined opinions then gets offended when people post the obvious holes in his evidence.
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That may be true for cancer or car accidents etc, but I don’t believe it is at all for chronic illnesses or even necessarily infectious issues. We all know healthy people don’t get certain illnesses because of an innate inner health that doctors don’t have as much clue about, either do most people. Treating humans like machines doesn’t help at all. Mind is superior to body and seems to out rank it in terms of health. And there in lies the bigger mystery to life. So own you’re own body and soul and have no one tell you what you must put in it. We do not live in communist Russia or China. Also honour your Anglo/Celtic/Saxon heritage that used to put Liberty as the highest and noblest of traits.
hahahahahahahahahaha, get off the acid.
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Every generation has a choice to make. Just don’t make your decision without knowing your cultures history. Ignorance of our past has no excuses in this post enlightenment age. Don’t be contributor in the piss weak generation that gave up their 5,000+ years of hard fought freedom, over one soon to be forgotten virus.
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No offence but you have a major problem if you think vaccine studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies that simultaneously hold multimillion dollar contracts to produce vaccines aren't affected by bias.
Doctors been taught wrong since the 60s when phama took over natural medicine
