Opinion Should Korda stand down?

[Collingwoodity]

Korda should have attended the press conference to demonstrate the Board’s respect for a Collingwood legend. It doesn’t matter whether he was involved in the decision about Bucks or not. The point is that the occasion demanded that the Board be represented... and it wasn’t.
I feel that was a shocking lapse of judgement. If the Board doesn’t turn up to honour someone at Buckley’s level, when does it turn up?

When Lindsay Lohan or the next f-grade celebrity learns what AFL is. Great for marketing. And that’s all that this iteration of Collingwood cares about - marketing and self-pontification.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Korda signs off as president. It’s his decision and was made to suit his purpose. It will backfire though. He is gone.

Korda was a terrible appointment before the Buckley decision. Despite this glad to see you on board the regeneration bandwagon.

 

[jmac70]

Korda was a terrible appointment before the Buckley decision. Despite this glad to see you on board the regeneration bandwagon.

I just want the club to be well run. This mess needs to be sorted out as soon as possible.

 

[Apples]

Korda won't stand down and we probably shouldn't expect him to; he thinks he deserves to be in the role. A bad performance like yesterday's shouldn't impact on Korda's position.

Korda's position, and that of the rest of the board, should be analysed through the lens of its performance over the last few years. I'm not sure how Korda, as a professional forensic accountant, can absolve himself of any blame for the disaster of our salary cap fire sale. Other board members (Murphy, Sizer, Holgate), can probably claim some immunity.

I like that group actually. Anybody who saw 4Corners last week could see how well Holgate performs under extreme pressure, although she did oversee the appointment of Korda over Murphy. I think that was an error. If Murphy had been appointed, I don't think the board would be facing any challenge.

The current board still refuses to provide the registration details to the petition group. It can't continue to hold off the inevitable. I wonder why the legal brains in the Collingwood community aren't advising the group to take the board to court.

The longer the seasons rolls along, the greater the odds that the current board will be rolled. Browne can just do what he is doing; sitting and waiting.

 

[jmac70]

No.

We need stability for the limited time left in this season. And then the AGM or EGM or whatever will happen and the board will stay, be replaced, or changed.

We then let the new board, coach and assistant coaches settle in. There will be plenty more of what happened today, but wanting heads to roll after every horrible loss is pointless.

I don’t know how much Korda can be blamed for our catastrophic contract and list management. I’m hoping to know more when the time comes to vote on his position.

The AGM only has three board positions up for election. Korda isn’t up for election.
An EGM needs to be called to spill the whole board but Korda won’t release the registration details to Hately.

 

[AmericanMustard]

Exactly. I can accept a rebuilding team with young players getting experience. The enjoyment of the game can come from spotting glimpses of talent rather than expecting us to win.

I get no enjoyment watching Madgen and Cox plod around making errors and providing no leadership/protection for our young developing players. We were the fourth oldest side this round and only had Bianco, Poulter, Murphy as young inexperienced developing players. Appointing Harvey has taken the side backwards in terms of development. At least Buckley was granting debuts to players every week and had phased out Cox/Madgen.

Getting rid of Buckley before the end of the season was clearly a political move to save Korda's ass. He seems more interested in his position as President rather than the best interests of the club.

Didn’t Buckley play Magden in the forward line this year? Or was that Korda’s decision too

 

[MyManLynch]

The AGM only has three board positions up for election. Korda isn’t up for election.
An EGM needs to be called to spill the whole board but Korda won’t release the registration details to Hately.

I thought Hately withdrew from the entire process.

 

[jmac70]

I thought Hately withdrew from the entire process.

I’m not sure. I got the email saying that an agreement had been reached to move the AGM forward, and that only three positions are up for election.

 

[MyManLynch]

I’m not sure. I got the email saying that an agreement had been reached to move the AGM forward, and that only three positions are up for election.

Then Hately publicly withdrew from the entire petition process.
Handing responsibility over to others in the original group.
Have not heard anything further since then.

 

[Mike Olotripo]

My understanding from this article is that it is still going ahead but the club have failed to provide a list of members to the group pushing for an EGM to verify the signatures.

Thrashed around the ball: Three miserable quarters anger Pies great

Collingwood great Tony Shaw called the Magpies “a rabble” and said the club’s board fight should be brought to a head.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

 

[jackcass]

In terms of our development, we’ve gone backwards over the last two weeks.
Playing the dino Cox is ridiculous.
A caretaker coach is supposed to free up players, not tie them up, like we saw today.

LOL. The issues yesterday were all on the playing group. Classic case in point, Cameron wins the footy in the centre square, has 3 team mates running with him against 1 Saints player and instead of using that outnumber to run the footy he kicks to a contest of JDG v Wilkie 1 out inside F50. Turnover. Just a dumb decision. We did it all day. Nothing to do with coaching. Nothing to do with the board.

 

[jackcass]

Korda won't stand down and we probably shouldn't expect him to; he thinks he deserves to be in the role. A bad performance like yesterday's shouldn't impact on Korda's position.

Korda's position, and that of the rest of the board, should be analysed through the lens of its performance over the last few years. I'm not sure how Korda, as a professional forensic accountant, can absolve himself of any blame for the disaster of our salary cap fire sale. Other board members (Murphy, Sizer, Holgate), can probably claim some immunity.

I like that group actually. Anybody who saw 4Corners last week could see how well Holgate performs under extreme pressure, although she did oversee the appointment of Korda over Murphy. I think that was an error. If Murphy had been appointed, I don't think the board would be facing any challenge.

The current board still refuses to provide the registration details to the petition group. It can't continue to hold off the inevitable. I wonder why the legal brains in the Collingwood community aren't advising the group to take the board to court.

The longer the seasons rolls along, the greater the odds that the current board will be rolled. Browne can just do what he is doing; sitting and waiting.

I'm not sure why people continue to make this link, it's just fantasy.

 

[Vicky Park]

The AGM only has three board positions up for election. Korda isn’t up for election.
An EGM needs to be called to spill the whole board but Korda won’t release the registration details to Hately.

Jmac, you know more about it than me, so I’ll have to take your word on that.

But I still think right now is not the time to make more change. Let’s wait until the season ends. I’m also not aware of a serious challenger to Korda. I favour Murphy, but is he challenging? Browne has offered nothing concrete. Not yet anyway.

I also don’t find knee jerk reactions to horrible losses very appealing. I expect more of those losses over the next few seasons. And if yesterday is anything to go by, this place will not be pleasant.

Our immediate past President, who could do no wrong according to some, has left us in a hell of a mess. If Korda shares some of that blame, then he can go at season’s end. But I’d like to see some rational discussion about it. And if that takes place at board level, we won’t know much about it.

Wanting to sack ‘X, Y and Z’ in the hours following a bloodbath is not the way out of this pain.

 

[AmericanMustard]

I'm not sure why people continue to make this link, it's just fantasy.

Not to mention, Jodi Sizer (who seems to be blameless) is also a professional accounting auditor who specialises in corporate governance.

From the outside, everyone seems to think the below is the problem, and it’s entirely Korda’s fault.
1. Governance
2. Salary cap management

Sizer was on the board for, Grundy resigning, Stephenson contract, Beams recruitment, Treloar back ending, Tom Phillips contract

Just a little bit of objectivity

 

[MyManLynch]

I think Jmac is correct re the board positions up for re-election at next AGM.
Although, I assume that a no confidence motion could also be tabled at the AGM, to trigger a spill?
If this is the case, no need for an EGM, all can be sorted one way or another at the AGM.
This is the best option for the Club.

 

[jmac70]

Jmac, you know more about it than me, so I’ll have to take your word on that.

But I still think right now is not the time to make more change. Let’s wait until the season ends. I’m also not aware of a serious challenger to Korda. I favour Murphy, but is he challenging? Browne has offered nothing concrete. Not yet anyway.

I also don’t find knee jerk reactions to horrible losses very appealing. I expect more of those losses over the next few seasons. And if yesterday is anything to go by, this place will not be pleasant.

Our immediate past President, who could do no wrong according to some, has left us in a hell of a mess. If Korda shares some of that blame, then he can go at season’s end. But I’d like to see some rational discussion about it. And if that takes place at board level, we won’t know much about it.

Wanting to sack ‘X, Y and Z’ in the hours following a bloodbath is not the way out of this pain.

It’s hard not be angry. We are playing an appalling brand of footy, and have a list that is in need of serious pruning. We also still have a bulging salary cap, which falls within Korda’s responsibility.

We can expect to be bottom 4 again next year. This doesn’t concern me providing we have a clear direction.

I don’t believe we can pursue a clear pathway until the board issues are resolved. If Korda continues to cling to power, we will see more infighting and disunity.

If he truly cares about the club,
Korda should stand down immediately.

 

[jackcass]

Not to mention, Jodi Sizer (who seems to be blameless) is also a professional accounting auditor who specialises in corporate governance.

From the outside, everyone seems to think the below is the problem, and it’s entirely Korda’s fault.
1. Governance
2. Salary cap management

To be fair on Sizer I think we've been working to remedy our governance issues since her arrival and her appointment was largely with that in mind.

I was referring however more to the expectation that any board or board member would be that forensically involved, even in his role as head of the finance committee.

 

[AmericanMustard]

To be fair on Sizer I think we've been working to remedy our governance issues since her arrival and her appointment was largely with that in mind.

I was referring however more to the expectation that any board or board member would be that forensically involved, even in his role as head of the finance committee.

I’m with you on that Jackcass.

I just think if blame is based on someone’s accounting background, the same respect should be applied to all the board members with a similar professional skill set.

 

[JB1975]

I don’t believe we can pursue a clear pathway until the board issues are resolved. If Korda continues to cling to power, we will see more infighting and disunity.

If he truly cares about the club,
Korda should stand down immediately.

Where is the disunity? I see no evidence that the board isn't united and galvanised by the challenges ahead.

The only rumbling is coming from without, and it --as yet-- doesn't have any substance attached to it.

The notion that Korda should stand down for a threat which is yet to materialise seems absurd to me, and wouldn't signal to me that he cares about the club at all.

 

[jmac70]

Where is the disunity? I see no evidence that the board isn't united and galvanised by the challenges ahead.

The only rumbling is coming from without, and it --as yet-- doesn't have any substance attached to it.

The notion that Korda should stand down for a threat which is yet to materialise seems absurd to me, and wouldn't signal to me that he cares about the club at all.

It’s coming JB.
The AGM will be a shit show unless Korda realises that the writing is on the wall for him. Once he goes, we can move on from the McGuire era.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I get no enjoyment watching Madgen and Cox plod around making errors and providing no leadership/protection for our young developing players.

I reckon there’s a bit of confirmation bias that goes on at games.

People see a player make a mistake, and that player gets marked unless they do something heroic to undo that mark.

Madgen is a good example of that, he had a cracking game yesterday. If Darcy Moore had had the same game, folks wouldn’t be saying “I get no enjoyment watching Darcy Moore …”

Jack Madgen was unforgettably given bath in his debut game against Lance Franklin. He’s taken a while to come good, but his last month has shown improvement out of sight.

I get a lot of enjoyment seeing players like Madgen and Noble working their butts off to get the best out of themselves …

… and all the more so when it pays off, like it did with Nick Maxwell.

ps. Agree that Cox had a poor game and sad to see a player with with pride getting bronx cheers … I’m trying to figure out why we’re playing him? Do we genuinely think he’s part of our future? Are we trying to boost his trade value? Is Harvey mucking around with the gameplan? Does selection committee think he has something to prove now Buckley has gone, and they want to tap into that?

 

[jackcass]

I reckon there’s a bit of confirmation bias that goes on at games.

People see a player make a mistake, and that player gets marked unless they do something heroic to undo that mark.

Madgen is a good example of that, he had a cracking game yesterday. If Darcy Moore had had the same game, folks wouldn’t be saying “I get no enjoyment watching Darcy Moore …”

Jack Madgen was unforgettably given bath in his debut game against Lance Franklin. He’s taken a while to come good, but his last month has shown improvement out of sight.

I get a lot of enjoyment seeing players like Madgen and Noble working their butts off to get the best out of themselves …

… and all the more so when it pays off, like it did with Nick Maxwell.

Agree, finally starting to find some form.

Agree that Cox had a poor game and sad to see a player with with pride getting bronx cheers … I’m trying to figure out why we’re playing him? Do we genuinely think he’s part of our future? Are we trying to boost his trade value? Is Harvey mucking around with the gameplan? Does selection committee think he has something to prove now Buckley has gone, and they want to tap into that?

While I agree that he had a poor game, if he'd clunked a couple of those marks inside F50 we may view it differently. Potentially "solid" rather than poor. It was a tough day for all our forwards yesterday, marks inside F50 particularly hard to come by.

 

[jmac70]

We have a bottom four list but are paying top four salaries.
Korda has overseen this.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Korda won't stand down and we probably shouldn't expect him to; he thinks he deserves to be in the role.

+ his peers on the board think he should be in the role.

What we don’t know is what role Waitslitz had in that. If he was a tiebreaker between Korda and Murphy then that doesn’t sound good.

A bad performance like yesterday's shouldn't impact on Korda's position.

Agree.

Korda's position, and that of the rest of the board, should be analysed through the lens of its performance over the last few years. I'm not sure how Korda, as a professional forensic accountant, can absolve himself of any blame for the disaster of our salary cap fire sale.

I don’t see any relevance between somebody being a financial accountant and our salary cap position? (Provided we’re compliant, which we are)

For example, would you expect accountants to have a natural advantage in the fantasy football leagues?

Other board members (Murphy, Sizer, Holgate), can probably claim some immunity.

Holgate has been there a while now - she joined around the time of Jeremy Howe, Adam Treloar and Ben Crocker. If you’re going to grade the board on recent years performance then Holgate is relevant.

I like that group actually.

From what I know about them (not much) me too.

Anybody who saw 4Corners last week could see how well Holgate performs under extreme pressure, …

Thanks for the tip, I’ll check it out on iView.

… although she did oversee the appointment of Korda over Murphy. I think that was an error.

It was a collective board decision, let’s exclude Murphy and Korda themselves, so it involved Holgate, Licuria, Sizer …

… and Waitslitz unless he excused himself because he was leaving.

If Murphy had been appointed, I don't think the board would be facing any challenge.

To be fair, when the board are selecting the President, they’re unlikely to take into account “Which person is least likely to trigger somebody from our membership base to launch an EGM spill petition weeks after this person’s appointment?”

The current board still refuses to provide the registration details to the petition group. It can't continue to hold off the inevitable. I wonder why the legal brains in the Collingwood community aren't advising the group to take the board to court.

If Collingwood were in violation of the Corporations act, then that’d be cause in itself for the board to stand down. Nobody is claiming that. And the board members individually have high reputations to uphold (well above and beyond their involvement at Collingwood), they will have their own legal advice that they would be following.

There doesn’t appear to be anything untoward here - the petition group need to provide their signatures to the club, the club need to get their eligibility independently checked, and an independent ruling will be given about whether an EGM has been triggered.

 

[76woodenspooners]

We have a bottom four list but are paying top four salaries.
Korda has overseen this.

That’s the result of backending contracts. All clubs do it.