Opinion Should Korda stand down?

[JB1975]

Quite a ride when this board goes into Caro mode.

The spread of Covid into NSW aged care facilities is a disaster. Quite obvious to me that Korda needs to stand down.

 

[AndrewShawble]

I still find it hard to believe that our salary cap could by anywhere near as tight as people are saying.If you look at the list of the top 100 highest paid players published in the HS the other day,we only had six players on the list,and only Grundy was close to a million.The rest were on very similar salaries to players from other clubs.Also Pendlebury and Sidebottom,if they play on,will be getting smaller and shorter contracts you would imagine.The Beams money will finally be going out of the system next year,other players will retire or be delisted in the next year or so.So when you add all of that up,how the hell could our salary cap be tight after all the cuts we've made in the last couple pf years?It doesn't make any sense at all.

I also found it hard to believe until last off-season, but what more evidence do you need?

 

[anshell]

I also found it hard to believe until last off-season, but what more evidence do you need?

Actual evidence,not just media speculation.We know that our cap was bursting last year fo example but we took action and cut at least 12 players from the list.So it beggars belief that the cap would still be tight after all the cuts we made.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Actual evidence,not just media speculation.We know that our cap was bursting last year fo example but we took action and cut at least 12 players from the list.So it beggars belief that the cap would still be tight after all the cuts we made.

It might not be bursting to the point of having to shed aggressively, but we don’t have any room to bring in any players.

Widely reported across the league, confirmed by Wright himself.

To be in that position as a bottom 4 team is unacceptable. The Tigers for instance have been reported to have room for either a Tom Mitchell or Cerra.

 

[Trickster]

I still find it hard to believe that our salary cap could by anywhere near as tight as people are saying.If you look at the list of the top 100 highest paid players published in the HS the other day,we only had six players on the list,and only Grundy was close to a million.The rest were on very similar salaries to players from other clubs.Also Pendlebury and Sidebottom,if they play on,will be getting smaller and shorter contracts you would imagine.The Beams money will finally be going out of the system next year,other players will retire or be delisted in the next year or so.So when you add all of that up,how the hell could our salary cap be tight after all the cuts we've made in the last couple pf years?It doesn't make any sense at all.

We were also paying Treloar 800ish, Stevo 600ish, Cox 500ish, Phillips somewhere around there etc.

So when you think the average salary based on cap vs players is ~350, you can see the trouble. its not just paying high end talent, its paying average players above their value (value to us, not the market). I think even Langdon was in there last year, plus this as well.

 

[jackcass]

I'm curious why you think it's a fantasy. Do you think the salary cap situation was kept from the board? Do you think the vice president, a forensic accountant, wouldn't have been briefed? If you think the board and Korda knew nothing Jackcass, then they should all be bundled out in a landslide.

No I don’t think it was kept from the board. Neither was the strategy which underpinned those decisions that led to it. The concern for the board in relation to TPP is why the footy department has made whatever calls it’s made, do they seem reasonable and likely to lead to success, and is the club compliant with the all the AFL requirements. End of story.

You seem to believe Korda because he’s an accountant should be across the minutia of every contract but it’s just not his job, or the boards. That’s the job of the football department.

 

[jackcass]

No.
The list was overrated at the end of 2018. There was no need to bring in Beams. Our current situation should have been avoided.

I don’t recall you stating back in 2018 that the list was overrated.

 

[jmac70]

I don’t recall you stating back in 2018 that the list was overrated.

I’m not claiming to have done so.

 

[jackcass]

Has it just been a couple of backended contracts?

Feels like it was that coupled with paying a large portion of the list well above market rates.

They’ve shown they can’t manage a salary cap.

By definition, isn’t managing a salary cap that you remain within the specified boundaries? Haven’t they done that?

 

[jmac70]

By definition, isn’t managing a salary cap that you remain within the specified boundaries? Haven’t they done that?

It’s usual practice to not have to give away top players to achieve that.

 

[jackcass]

Sidebottom too. He’ll be on big money this year as he was one of the players who back ended their contract to make room for Beams.

As I understood it at the time, Sidey agreed to less per year for an additional year to play his role in freeing up the cap space. Where has this speculation he’s on a back-ended contract come from?

 

[jackcass]

It’s usual practice to not have to give away top players to achieve that.

Clubs lose players every year through retirement, trading, and delisting.

 

[AndrewShawble]

By definition, isn’t managing a salary cap that you remain within the specified boundaries? Haven’t they done that?

By whose definition?

 

[jmac70]

Clubs lose players every year through retirement, trading, and delisting.

How many give away players who cost first round draft picks for nothing?

 

[AndrewShawble]

Clubs lose players every year through retirement, trading, and delisting.

Yes they do.

You think we got fair value on the trades we did for players going out?

 

[jackcass]

[ Brosbane took a punt and for them it paid off. We took a punt on Beams and it didn’t.

The other thing is, and not having a go at you here, but the narrative about Beams coming back to try and sneak a flag in before the cap busted.

It’s not like he was signed on a 1 or a 2 year deal, but 4 years!!!! Mind blowing. Just mind blowing.

There’s 2 elements to that, firstly, we had to be able to afford him so we added an additional year so we could pay him less/year, and secondly coming off a GF does any club think their window is only 1-2 years or longer?

 

[jackcass]

Yes they do.

You think we got fair value on the trades we did for players going out?

No, but that’s not the point jmac was making.

 

[jackcass]

By whose definition?

Mine. You’ll note it was a ? So happy for you to provide yours.

 

[AndrewShawble]

There’s 2 elements to that, firstly, we had to be able to afford him so we added an additional year so we could pay him less/year, and secondly coming off a GF does any club think their window is only 1-2 years or longer?

Had to be able to afford who, Beams?

The guy was absolutely off the rails and we gave him a 4 year deal and paid 2 first picks for the privilege.

It was a buyers market if ever there was one and we still got bent over.

Horrific negotiating by the club.

 

[jackcass]

Had to be able to afford who, Beams?

The guy was absolutely off the rails and we gave him a 4 year deal and paid 2 first picks for the privilege.

It was a buyers market if ever there was one and we still got bent over.

Horrific negotiating by the club.

Guy finished 2018 as a top 10 player in the league, but happy for you to make up anything else. Pointless discussion so I’ll leave it there.

 

[Apples]

No I don’t think it was kept from the board. Neither was the strategy which underpinned those decisions that led to it. The concern for the board in relation to TPP is why the footy department has made whatever calls it’s made, do they seem reasonable and likely to lead to success, and is the club compliant with the all the AFL requirements. End of story.

You seem to believe Korda because he’s an accountant should be across the minutia of every contract but it’s just not his job, or the boards. That’s the job of the football department.

Come off it jackcass, you and JB1975 keep this line going, but it doesn't stand up for mine. You're basically saying that an experienced board member, a top accountant, had no knowledge of our potential salary cap problems, or, he did have knowledge, but wasn't really concerned because it wasn't really his business. If that is your position, then you will probably believe that Crown Casino didn't know about the money laundering taking place under its nose.

I'm not suggesting he should stand down, but I would have equally high expectations of any financial expert at my club to take more than a passing interest into the financials of the club. Jeff Browne would be a dope if he didn't make the most of Korda's apparent lack of interest or alarm.

 

[jc37]

Guy finished 2018 as a top 10 player in the league, but happy for you to make up anything else. Pointless discussion so I’ll leave it there.

He was turning 29. Injury prone background. Had a video of him speaking to a news channel about how meds were helping him. He wasnt a need. Dumbest thing the club has done even more so now we here the salary cap issues. Only way this would have been worth it was the 1st rounder for Quaynor. Not the 2nd one and if we could genuinely fit him in the cap. This was a decision lead outside the recruitment department and I also think Ned Guy. Has Eddie and the boards name all over it.

 

[76woodenspooners]

If that is your position, then you will probably believe that Crown Casino didn't know about the money laundering taking place under its nose.

If the management of the salary cap had been illegal (as money laundering is) or even against AFL rules, then agree, that might reasonably be a problem for Korda …

… but that’s not what happened.

 

[AndrewShawble]

There’s 2 elements to that, firstly, we had to be able to afford him so we added an additional year so we could pay him less/year, and secondly coming off a GF does any club think their window is only 1-2 years or longer?

Did they not know the state of the salary cap heading into 2019 (Aish having to go at the end) and then 2020?

Is that what you are suggesting?

Because within 2 years we started to pull the list apart.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Guy finished 2018 as a top 10 player in the league, but happy for you to make up anything else. Pointless discussion so I’ll leave it there.

Never has it been said that he wasn’t a good on-field player and someone we could have made the team better on game day.

The issue is with the price paid to bring him back.