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Common ****ing sense; if only it was common.
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Opinion Should the team ask for a Priority Pick 2025 edition.
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I know the result of Doggies almost doing us by 100pts does not impact the final 8, but the AFL refuses to acknowledge that this team needs help.
If Season 2026 is like this, you can almost automatically tick teams off to get the 8pts and %. Donny better be on the phone.
If Season 2026 is like this, you can almost automatically tick teams off to get the 8pts and %. Donny better be on the phone.
so we can't get draft assistance until St Kilda win a premiership?
Or until Essendon win a final, whatever comes last.
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We've got as much chance of getting help from the AFL as Collingwood have of playing more than 4 interstate games in a season. No chance, they don't even travel to Geelong.
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Brisbane :
2022: 6th (15 wins) - made a PF
• Lost McStay as a FA - R2 compensation
• Traded in Dunkley
• Drafted Ashcroft (P2) and Fletcher (P12)
2023: 2nd (17 wins) - Runners Up
• Gained Doedee as a FA that triggered Band 2 compensation for Adelaide
• Their R1 pick was used in the Dunkley trade
• Drafted Morris (P31) with second pick of R2 acquired through a series of trades
2024: 5th (14 wins, 1 draw) - Premiers
• Drafted Ashcroft (P5) and Marshall (P25) - Both R1 picks
2025: 3rd (15 wins, 1 draw) - ???
• Will gain Allen as a FA that will trigger Band 1 compensation for WCE
• Will draft Annable with a probable top 5 pick
Across 4 years where they have (or will) finished in a PF or better so notional late teens R1 picks and early thirties R2 picks before draft complexities they’ve been able to -
• Trade in an elite midfielder Dunkley
• Add 3x top 5 draftees (Ashcroft x2 and Annable)
• Another borderline top 10 draftee (Fletcher) and a top 25 draftee (Marshall)
• Still had an early R2 pick to use (Morris)
• Had enough cap space to pay FA acquisitions that triggered a Band 1 and Band 2 compensation for their original club
All without having to lose anyone other than McStay to generate early picks
In the same four year period we’ve finished bottom 3 each year, including two spoons. That’s generated 2x P1, P2 (which we split) and a P3 which we also split- access to one extra top 5 pick than Brisbane landed
Our R2 picks which should have been in the 19-21 range have (or will) land at pick 30 or later
The draft as an equalisation measure is broken when a team that has finished top 4 has been able to secure the same (or arguably more) talent using just draft picks than a team that’s finished bottom 3 in the same 4 year period
Tell me again why we shouldn’t get some form of assistance
2022: 6th (15 wins) - made a PF
• Lost McStay as a FA - R2 compensation
• Traded in Dunkley
• Drafted Ashcroft (P2) and Fletcher (P12)
2023: 2nd (17 wins) - Runners Up
• Gained Doedee as a FA that triggered Band 2 compensation for Adelaide
• Their R1 pick was used in the Dunkley trade
• Drafted Morris (P31) with second pick of R2 acquired through a series of trades
2024: 5th (14 wins, 1 draw) - Premiers
• Drafted Ashcroft (P5) and Marshall (P25) - Both R1 picks
2025: 3rd (15 wins, 1 draw) - ???
• Will gain Allen as a FA that will trigger Band 1 compensation for WCE
• Will draft Annable with a probable top 5 pick
Across 4 years where they have (or will) finished in a PF or better so notional late teens R1 picks and early thirties R2 picks before draft complexities they’ve been able to -
• Trade in an elite midfielder Dunkley
• Add 3x top 5 draftees (Ashcroft x2 and Annable)
• Another borderline top 10 draftee (Fletcher) and a top 25 draftee (Marshall)
• Still had an early R2 pick to use (Morris)
• Had enough cap space to pay FA acquisitions that triggered a Band 1 and Band 2 compensation for their original club
All without having to lose anyone other than McStay to generate early picks
In the same four year period we’ve finished bottom 3 each year, including two spoons. That’s generated 2x P1, P2 (which we split) and a P3 which we also split- access to one extra top 5 pick than Brisbane landed
Our R2 picks which should have been in the 19-21 range have (or will) land at pick 30 or later
The draft as an equalisation measure is broken when a team that has finished top 4 has been able to secure the same (or arguably more) talent using just draft picks than a team that’s finished bottom 3 in the same 4 year period
Tell me again why we shouldn’t get some form of assistance
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Wooden spooner with the most cap space by a mile can’t spend a dime to bring in talent because it’ll impact the compensation pick awarded for losing their captain to the reigning premier.
Reigning premier with more kids in the 22U22 than the bottom six combined.
Port lobbying the league to classify the presumed #1 draft pick of next year as an NGA so they can get him for free, having done absolutely nothing for his development to this point and him being based in Adelaide metro.
The system works beautifully.
Meanwhile every nuff journo is going on about when to bring in a draft lottery so they have even more shit to dribble on about.
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I think that a better solution to not getting an outright priority pick is for us to be able to sign FA this offseason without diluting pick 2, 2 extra list spots and 2 extra cat B spots, ability to prelist our NGA talent. I think that would combine to solve the mature bodies issue that they wanted North to solve by trading late teens picks or whatever, without ruining the draft for other clubs. Maybe even allocate us an extra 500 DVI points or something that we can attach to a trade that isn't connected to a pick, a deal sweetener
Brisbane also got a priority pick following a 3-19 season, which followed 4-18, 7-15 and 10-12 seasons.
In comparison we've gone 1-22, 5-18, 3-20, 2-20.
Like most things with the AFL, always look out for their self interest.
What clubs need AFL funding when they are down?
Norf - the perennial tin rattlers
Suns - the AFL’s Nepo baby
Lions - still in a fickle market and receiving AFL extras so the AFL stepped in to get them back up competing with the Broncos in a time period where Suns were still putting down roots
So drawing comparisons to the above 3 does little to give me confidence as fair is not a value held head in VaFL HQ
Look more to what Carlton got when down. Very little
What clubs need AFL funding when they are down?
Norf - the perennial tin rattlers
Suns - the AFL’s Nepo baby
Lions - still in a fickle market and receiving AFL extras so the AFL stepped in to get them back up competing with the Broncos in a time period where Suns were still putting down roots
So drawing comparisons to the above 3 does little to give me confidence as fair is not a value held head in VaFL HQ
Look more to what Carlton got when down. Very little
Carlton were down due to being caught cheating the cap and were punished.
Pretty difficult for AFL House to penalise clubs like Carlton and even Essendon only to back flip and provide assistance a few years after coping draft penalties for breaching the rules.
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Wooden spoon team loses it's captain to the reigning premiers via Free Agency....
How's that equalisation going VFL?
Seems a quality system.
How's that equalisation going VFL?
Seems a quality system.
There is one major problem with free agency - the club acquiring the player does not have to pay up in trade/draft.
For mine, the deal should be that the club taking the free agent should have to in some way pony up the points to cover the compensation pick (with perhaps a discount). Brisbane then wouldn't be able to take Allen on top of getting Annable this year.
How to fix that is simple.
Are you in the Top 8? - Yes
Then the compensation provided will also wipe out an equivelant pick from that round for the club acquiring the FA. (i.e You offer a contract for first round comp? then it wipes out your first round pick, the earliest one.)
Don't have a equivalent pick? It wipes out your future pick from that round.
Would 100% force clubs in the window to seriously consider avoiding FA.
So Brisbane get Allen while packaging a bunch of late picks to send to us ala the bidding system?
Not sure that resolves anything.
Well if they suddenly have to find picks for both Annable and Allen, that makes it much harder for them. The current scheme only requires them to find the picks for Annable. It's not perfect, but it's better than the recieving club getting a player for nothing (unless the compo is actually nothing of course).
I'd also like to see a requirement for all points matching that a club has to cough up a pick before or at the point of their next natural pick (as part of the points they need) - ie if we took the ladder as it is after this round (assuming GC beat Ess), then if we bid on Uwland, GC would be required to use a pick at #12 or earlier to match the pick plus whatever makes up the remaining points. Don't have one? Trade for it or the bid stands.
Then if they've used that, and get a bid on Patterson, they'd have to trade on the spot for another pick at wherever their pick is now or better (let's say it's now #13)
Then clubs with lots of high rated Academy/FS picks would have to trade into the first round, not out of it.
For me FA should have zero compo picks (bring the draft back to wear it should be).
Compo is salary cap to get spend on another FA.
But ... top 8 should be excluded from Restricted Free Agents. If they want a RFA, they can get them, but need to do it via Trade (ie pay a fair price for them).
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FA is just a joke in general.
Dangerfield and his dickhead mates from the AFLPA just trying to americanize the game and let the players do what they want, as if they don't have all the power anyway.
Trade or **** OFF.
Dangerfield and his dickhead mates from the AFLPA just trying to americanize the game and let the players do what they want, as if they don't have all the power anyway.
Trade or **** OFF.
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Stopping clubs double and triple dipping is where the AFL have failed.
This draft and trade period Lions get academy access at a discount for yet another top 5 mid.
Then take advantage of free agency.
And in previous years also landed gun top 5 father sons at a discount.
As grand finalists and the current reigning premier.
Well done AFL House. You left enough loop holes there for clubs to take full advantage of and basically sabotage any equalisation policies.
Then again. They are getting their nepo clubs deep into September and the TV rating up in QLD and NSW. That's all they care about.
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But that's the whole point. Once you are proper free agent you should control your own destiny.
Under this system if we were signing a band 1 free agent we would be have to give up pick 1. When we could always just take any uncontracted player via the ND or PSD from last anyway.
Free agency is cooked because the AFL aren't mature enough to adopt a free agency system in its entirety. They just want to pick and choose the good bits. Oscar Allen is a restricted free agent. That should mean that he can sign wherever he likes for whatever contract he likes and then we have the right to match the terms and retain him, or not. Instead we have this nothing system where RFAs always get to their chosen club either via straight signing (with compo) or trade.
I have no issue with Brisbane at the top or someone else at the bottom signing Allen for $1m a year, just show me your books. As it stands any star free agent can sign with any club any year which is why the system is so laughable. With Allen as with McKay at North there is also no onus on the club to actually offer the player a contract either.
Tangential to FA one of the biggest issues impacting equalisation is that there is no requirement for salary matching in trades. We send TB to Hawthorn who makes say $800k in 2025, we get back a couple of 2025 draft picks who obviously make 0 until 2026. In a more professional league the only teams that would able to make a trade like that would already have to be at least $800k under the cap to absorb the contract.
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Also the absurdly high salary floor means that the offset of losing a bloke (now having shitloads of free cash) amounts to very little.
Should be able to align your contracts at once and have an NBA style spending spree on a given offseason, but no, any money saved just has to go to paying mid tier plebs to meet the salary floor.
Wasn't there talk of salary cap/pick trading. Arbitrary numbers but a team could offload 500k for 2 seasons to a team for pick 20. Obviously the AFL and clubs.would need to agree on a $$ value to draft picks similar to points system
Would allow a team to go over the cap when they're in a squeeze playing finals and the flow on is more of the young talent to the lower teams who don't need all the cap space.
In 2018, Carlton got a special assistance package being able to pre-list 2 State League players (Suns got 3 in the same announcement).
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