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Should the team ask for a Priority Pick 2025 edition.

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I've come to the conclusion that the talking heads don't watch many games. They watch the big ones, ones they are calling or their favourites.

One of them will "set an agenda" on Sunday night that they all run with for the week.
This week it's our leadership

So we end up with a thousand talk shows/radio hrs/podcast all saying and agree on the same uneducated opinion.

At least Cornes tries to put a different opinion out every now and then.

It's just all ends up being white noise.
 

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If Allan leaves and Harley pulls the pin i think it would be most unlikely we get any assistance.
We would have some early draft picks that if used wisely will get us some decent top end players but won't help us straight away.
Unfortunately leaves us with a lack of players in position of need that we require immediately unless we can bring in thru trades or free agency and we are not good in doing that
 
We should totally get one and it should be as generous as North.
They too were a power side in the 90s.
Didn't they make a prelim in 2015?

If we're going to get the rough end of the second round when we finish last with all the "quirks" we might as well benefit.
 
The thing with being a bad team is every decision is considered the wrong one and held against you. As Badge said

  • If you hold onto senior players you're negligent for not getting draft pick value
  • If you trade senior players you've caused your own demise and don't deserve help
  • If you split draft picks you've made a mistake to not take top level elite talent
  • If you don't split draft picks you've refused to realise you need a suite of draft picks and not just one elite talent

And all of that is a reason not to get a priority pick, whether it's contradictory or not.
 
Quinz said:
The thing with being a bad team is every decision is considered the wrong one and held against you. As Badge said

  • If you hold onto senior players you're negligent for not getting draft pick value
  • If you trade senior players you've caused your own demise and don't deserve help
  • If you split draft picks you've made a mistake to not take top level elite talent
  • If you don't split draft picks you've refused to realise you need a suite of draft picks and not just one elite talent

And all of that is a reason not to get a priority pick, whether it's contradictory or not.
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I think we will get some help from the V/afl, It's not in the best interest of the Melbourne based clubs that don't get to play 2 percentage boosting games against WCE. We only play 5 teams twice and freo is one of those.
 
Deepthroat said:
Not a fan of this.

The club has been in trouble for too long now and the response has been vanilla at best.

There's been no attempt to bring in talent from other clubs whilst there was both cap space and plenty of players that could and should have made way already.

Our inability to land the English deal (which would have cost nothing in terms of collateral) was a disgrace.

Then you have a host of players either on the fringe of their squad or even cut from the squad who we have made no decent attempt to bring in. The arrogance of this is seeing a bunch of players go on elsewhere and become Best 22 fixtures.

But we are stuck with below average fillers.

I also saw nothing over the summer to suggest the club was pushing elite standards in terms of preparation.

We need to deliver Allen on a platter to the highest bidder, send Harley off for a bevy of Round One picks and fill out about 20 redundant list spots in record time.

It's embarrassing getting handouts particularly when many of us could see this low point coming 5 years ago.

The club has done F ALL to arrest the slide...
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You have no idea on list management. That post shows it.

Instead of making broad emotional statements or ones about players who simply didnt want to move West how about putting up what you would have done. Lets see how realistic that is.

We are not like Melbourne clubs with dozens of players looking to move to or remain in Melbourne. Players know you dont play long if you are based from WA. The travel takes years off your career and earnings. They would rather play for Collingwood and play 80% of their games at home at the MCG. We cant change that.
 
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Scotland said:
WC should ask for the picks we deserve.

I.e, assuming we finish last we should be entitled to pick 1 then a pick every 18 after that.

The other alternative is to go nuclear. I have nothing against Sydney but we should be trying to sign Chad Warner with classic BigFooty PSD or GTFO threat.

The AFL have totally cooked player movement and the draft. Time to take a swing.
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Nice clubs finish last.

And we have been far too nice for far too long.
 

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Obeanie1 said:
You have no idea on list management. That post shows it.


We are not like Melbourne clubs with dozens of players looking to move to or remain in Melbourne. Players know you dont play long if you are based from WA. The travel takes years off your career and earnings. They would rather 0lay for Collingwood and play 80% of their games at home at the MCG. We cant change that.
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Going forward I think the travel factor will only become increasingly disadvantage to us.

Grahams comments this week show that those other 16 clubs just don't understand the burden. It's 7hrs on a plane every other week (not including all the time before and after at the airport/buses etc).
So basically a full additional working day we loose.

Now we have the east coast media criticising the club for having to remove a training session to allow for a travel day?

We have been around and doing this for 40 years and had massive success, Freo have been doing the same for 30 years and although not reached the pinnacle, have still had very strong years.

I think the clubs and their medical/physio/sport science Dept know what they are doing in this sense.

The AFL is at the cutting edge of sport science research/practices. Every club is trying to squeeze the small fraction of percentages to gain advantages.
When you don't have to factor in our travel burden, you can find and exploit other areas.
Do you think Pendlebury would be running around like his is at 37 and had gotten to 400 games if he was based her. Unlikely.

For example, If the sport science say, you will gain an X amount of increased recovery if you ice bath 3 hrs after a game, how can we complete with than when our guys are on a plane?

Buy a private jet with ice baths? Maybe

Better fixturing, we and Freo should play Adel/Port twice every year, account for a eastern states team during gather round, never have to play a non Tasmania team in Tasmania. Limited Sunday/late Saturday games in Melb
 
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DorothyG said:
The AFL is at the cutting edge of sport science research/practices. Every club is trying to squeeze the small fraction of percentages to gain advantages.
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Agreed, the travel burden is real. But the AFL is well behind world sports on sports science and research. It's a small bubble. This is an opportunity for WC.
 
The jungle drums are beating from over east about how the Eagles don't deserve an assistance package because we caused this mess ourselves unlike North and we haven't been down the bottom for long enough and have not been as bad as North.

However no one in the media has dared to look deeper into it and compare the two clubs and their plights.

So let's clear the air of bullshit and have a look at raw facts.



North Melbourne were last in the finals in 2016 finishing 8th. The year prior to that they made the prelim against us and the year prior to that another prelim final. So i think it's fair to use 2017 as their starting point for their demise.

Over those years they finished

2017 15th 6 wins 87.6%
2018 9th 12 wins 108,9%
2019 12th 10 wins 99.5%
2020 17th 3 wins 71.2%
2021 18th 4 wins 70.3%
2022 18th 2 wins 55.8% ASSISTANCE PROVIDED (Future 2nd, Future 3rd and two extra list spots)
2023 17th 3 wins 71.5% ASSISTANCE PROVIDED (2023 End of First round picks, 2024 Two End of First Round picks)

So essentially they got assistance in their

6th year out of finals with 37 wins over those 6 years with an average percentage of 82.21 across those six years.
7th year out of finals with 40 wins over those 7 years with an average percentage of 80.68 across those 7 years.


Between 2017 and 2021 the players they traded picks for were


Billy Hartung
Jared Polec
Jasper Pittard
Dom Tyson
Aaron Hall
Aidan Bonar
Lachie Young
Jaidyn Stephenson
Atu Bosenavulagi
Callum Coleman-Jones

Whilst trading out the likes of

Shaun Higgins
Ben Brown
Braydon Preuss
Aaron Black
Robbie Tarrant
Ryan Clarke
Sam Gibson

NOTE: Over those 5 years of trading for players only Callum Coleman-Jones is still on their list. I would also like to point out over this period they lost no players due to medically forced retirements.



Now let's look at us.

We won the grand final in 2018 and made the finals in 2019 with a qualifying final and the year after in 2020 where we were knocked out first round in the elimination final so again i think it's fair to start our decline from 2021, the first year we missed finals.

Between 2021 and 2024 we were

2021 9th 10 wins 93.2%
2022 17th 2 wins 59.8%
2023 18th 3 wins 53.0%
2024 16th 5 wins 68.1%


4th year out of finals with 20 wins over those 4 years with an average percentage of 68.5 across those 4 years.


Between 2021 and 2024 we traded out multiple picks for players such as

Sam Petrevski-Seton
Tyler Brockman
Liam Baker
Matt Owies

Whilst trading out the likes of

Willie Rioli
Tom Barrass
Jack Darling

We have also brought in multiple free agents such as Jayden Hunt, Matthew Flynn and Jack Graham.

We also lost two players due to medically forced retirements in Daniel Venable and Brad Sheppard.




Over Norths 6 years they made a conscious effort to deliberately gut their team and rebuild. This was of their own doing and they traded out and traded back multiple picks to do so and if one is being completely objective they did so for very little return.

Their winning record and percentage was significantly higher than that of ours when they received compensation and if you factor in where we will most likely finish this year our record will look even worse than it does now.


So what gives? Why were North eligible and we are not?


The truth is plain to see for all those who care to look. The AFL hands out compensation to financial basket cases. Clubs that will fold due to poor performances becasue they have few members, poor attendance and will cease to exisit if the future is not bright.

The AFL does not want this because it will mean less games which in turn means less revenue when selling TV rights.

West Coast are a financially stable club with zero chance of folding so they have zero interest in providing us assistance on field.

The AFL is a busniess and they couldn't give two shits about fairness or equality, just MONEY.




Do we deserve assistance? Probably not.

Should we receive it based upon the precedent set? Absolutely.

Will we receive any form of assistance? Not a chance in hell.
 
Obeanie1 said:
You have no idea on list management. That post shows it.

Instead of making broad emotional statements or ones about players who simply didnt want to move West how about putting up what you would have done. Lets see how realistic that is.

We are not like Melbourne clubs with dozens of players looking to move to or remain in Melbourne. Players know you dont play long if you are based from WA. The travel takes years off your career and earnings. They would rather play for Collingwood and play 80% of their games at home at the MCG. We cant change that.
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This loser defeatist attitude is a reason we are in such a mire.
 
I firmly believe most of the issues that have culminated in this situation stem from the 2018 premiership and how that was won.

For mine, that was won by a team that did not play a modern run and gun style but more of a kick/mark style.

It is an outlier flag for game style compared to many in the last decade.

The flag was won by a squad with a very heavy level of talent in its top end Best 22. 18 players played 19 games or more.

When you look at the names who played 10 games or less (20 players): Vardy, Nelson, Ah Chee, Petch, Ainsworth, McInnes, Oscar (*), Brander, Mackenzie, Brayshaw, Partington, Watson, Burrows, Rotham, Mutimer, Karpany, Olango, Bayok, M Allen, England.

Outside of Oscar, not one player has gone on to be a top end contributor and outside of Oscar and Petch all are gone.

This was no DYNASTY squad.

The Best 22 that in 2018 was as close to ELITE as you would see. Probably the Best "Best 22" based on talent in the last 10 premierships.

2018 was won on ELITE talent, not workrate, not training standards, not absolute top tier preparation, not team game style, individual flair, individual matchwinning.

This is the template the club has continued to follow. A reliance on "he's a gun player on his day".

When players return fat on Day 1 of preseason "It's OK, we know what he's capable of".

A priority pick isn't going to fix the cultural change required.
 
Deepthroat said:
This loser defeatist attitude is a reason we are in such a mire.
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And shouting at a cloud is helpful.

You want to criticise. How about putting up realistic options we didn't take?

Or what we should do.

Saying crap like "we should have traded in better players" isn't an argument.

Where we stuffed up was backing a premiership group for too long. That's it.

We should have pulled the rug two seasons earlier and got that wrong. Plenty of clubs make that mistake.

And when you don't have dozens of players lining up every year to move and play in Perth it is not simply " trade in better players".
 

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Hehe must say it's quite the fall from grace going from swinging dick powerhouse club in 2019 to begging, that's right, I'm certainly at that point, for AFL assistance because we are so god damn historically awful.

Turn the oooooft meter up to 11 😵

Such a slow train wreck we've all been getting used to day by day. This board has changed so much.

Yall remember the Nesbitt crisis emails from a couple years ago begging us to keep showing up to games and how things are going to change? Hehe, take me back.
 
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Dark Sharks said:
Hehe must say it's quite the fall from grace going from swinging dick powerhouse club in 2019 to begging, that's right, I'm certainly at that point, for AFL assistance because we are so god damn historically awful.

Turn the oooooft meter up to 11 😵

Such a slow train wreck we've all been getting used to day by day. This board has changed so much.

Yall remember the Nesbitt crisis emails from a couple years ago begging us to keep showing up to games and how things are going to change? Hehe, take me back.
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Eagles WAFL record since going stand alone

2021 - 4 W (65.21%)

2022 - 4 W (48.95%)

2023 - 1 W (39.17%)

2024 - 4 W (57.23%)

Isn't the WAFL meant to be the place we are sending blokes to get some confidence up?

You could bring in 2-3 priority picks but not sure our current development program is going to really compliment their talent.

Fix this first before worrying about Priorities.
 
Deepthroat said:
Eagles WAFL record since going stand alone

2021 - 4 W (65.21%)

2022 - 4 W (48.95%)

2023 - 1 W (39.17%)

2024 - 4 W (57.23%)

Isn't the WAFL meant to be the place we are sending blokes to get some confidence up?

You could bring in 2-3 priority picks but not sure our current development program is going to really compliment their talent.

Fix this first before worrying about Priorities.
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Missing the top four finish and finals win in 2019, prior to list sizes being cut post Covid.

Not pretending the program has been a success, but pretty telling that when the AFL squad had larger list sizes, our WAFL team wasn’t so bare bones filled with literal amateurs, and it actually functioned as a decent developmental tool.

AFL assistance could support very easily in this area, akin to what was given to Carlton and North recently.
 
Obeanie1 said:
You have no idea on list management. That post shows it.

Instead of making broad emotional statements or ones about players who simply didnt want to move West how about putting up what you would have done. Lets see how realistic that is.

We are not like Melbourne clubs with dozens of players looking to move to or remain in Melbourne. Players know you dont play long if you are based from WA. The travel takes years off your career and earnings. They would rather play for Collingwood and play 80% of their games at home at the MCG. We cant change that.
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Also any GWS and Gold Coast players who are from Victoria will always look to Melbourne clubs first.
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
Missing the top four finish and finals win in 2019, prior to list sizes being cut post Covid.

Not pretending the program has been a success, but pretty telling that when the AFL squad had larger list sizes, our WAFL team wasn’t so bear bones and filled with literal amateurs and actually functioned as a decent developmental tool.

AFL assistance could support very easily in this area, akin to what was given to Carlton and North recently.
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I think a couple of rookies or cat b rookies would be better to give the Beagles a better quality team.
 
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