Opinion Should the team ask for a Priority Pick 2025 edition.

[HoneyBadger35]

I think a couple of rookies or cat b rookies would be better to give the Beagles a better quality team.

Yep, think Carlton and North both got a “here’s some list spots reserved for state league veterans you can have for free” type deal which would be a quick sugar hit for the Beagles.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I think we'll get compensation picks, but just like Norf's first set of compensation, it will be draft picks we have to trade. And that's ok, because if Allen leaves as an RFA, we can't then go and pick up other free agents without compromising our compensation. The "have to trade" draft picks solve this problem.

It also means we can bundle our 2nd & 3rd round picks generously to get another pick in the 1st round, in the knowledge we have draft capital to trade.

 

[Dylan82]

If there is a means to benefit the future of the club, of course it should be pursued.


That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the line from the AFL is that nothing will be coming in terms of priority picks until the WAFC hands over the license for the club.

It's what they have been wanting for 40 years.

 

[JackieMoon33]

As I mentioned in a previous post. If we get a priority Pick we will have:

Pick 1, Pick 4 (for Allen) Pick 18 (From Hawthorn) Pick 19 (Priority Pick) & Pick 20 (Round two start)

That would be a fantastic start to the draft in 2025. If Reid wants to leave we could add maybe 2 first rounders to this list as well with another one or two in 2026.

I don't trust our list management but surely they aren't stupid enough to trade picks around like last season.

So, in reality, after father son and academy selections, the picks would be, pick 1, pick 5, pick 32, pick 33, and pick 34.
Look out AFL! Here we come!

 

[ziad]

What a dumb tread title. Why not, should I claim all my tax deductions?

However, I doubt we will be given anything - it's the WC vibe.

 

[Scotland]

Sorry mate, i assume you agree - revisiting what clubs did is neither here or there. They all received some form of assistance?

Assistance or otherwise, every team is in a position of their own making.

And for posts regarding picking up players via PSD, easier enough to do if a player is willing to do that. Its rare, it can be threated to get a trade done but it is rare for a player to burn bridge at a former club to leave via PSD.

It's a huge quirk in the context of the last 5-10 years because the pendulum of player movement has swing so far to the side of the players. Back in the day the ND was only for kids and out of contract players moved via the PSD. In 2004 Jade Rawlings (Veale deal!) and Nick Stevens both moved via the PSD. It was a lot more common for OOC players to move clubs that way than it is now with FA, RFA and DFA status being introduced. Plus anyone can now go into the ND so a Luke Ball has more chance of getting to Collingwood at pick 30 than he does via the PSD at pick 15.

What I find bizarre is that if Harley Reid asks for a trade to Hawthorn or Geelong or whoever WC are the bad guys if they don't give it to him. If Chad Warner who is OOC wants to join WC there is a mechanism that can see him get his wish and WC pay nothing in a trade but in that scenario WC and Warner are the bad guys. Sorry, what? Do you want us to improve or not? Do you want us to be ruthless or not? The AFL has had 15 years to get rid of the PSD and hasn't.

WC are being bashed from pillar to post and at the same time draft access has never been worse. I want to see the club swing for the fence on this one.

So that leaves the AFL to support this club either by giving additional picks or by providing soft cap relief. There is no other way.

**I premise this by if this bullshit continues Pyke really needs to do organise an external review, its been long enough and need NON WCE football minds to make sure we are getting the very best out of every facet of the club.

'bUt wE wOn A fLag In 2018'

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I get the feeling that it is not so much a case of applying for a PP and seeing what happens, i think the AFL tells the club whether it will give it one or not in behind closed door meetings. And clubs only apply if they are already told it will be granted.

It is so bizarre how worked up the Victorian media is about us maybe getting a PP in one year but they say very little at all about the academies for the expansion clubs and how that has turned the draft into a joke. That is a far bigger issue. They mention it now and again but there is no campaign against it. If this keeps going with those clubs getting the level of help they are getting the clubs from the other three states might aswell pack it in and not bother playing anymore as every flag will be guaranteed to a NSW or Qld side.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I think somebody needs to put it to the AFL that the system with free agency and trade is doing the opposite of what it was intended to do and what the AFL says it wants (i.e. players are going tom struggling clubs to in a premiership window and not vice versa). Why does no journalist ask them why they haven't changed their system?

 

[TOA.]

Have to agree with the talk shows. We should have split our high picks for more young talent.

Wait we did that in 2022.

Uh, should have taken elite talent when we had the chance.

Wait, we did that in 2023.

Army of kids is all well and good but how about using a high pick creatively to add to the list in multiple ways.

Bugger, we did that too.

Priority picks shouldn’t exist, but it’s funny that North gutting their list deliberately and embracing the tank didn’t get the “they did it to themselves” treatment like this. When we take the kid, they say we should have split. When we split, we did it for old guys which is dumb. When we split for multiple kids, how can we thumb our nose at top picks like that?

I’m old enough to remember when the same panellists were saying we tanked the game vs Essendon to ensure we could get Harley, as though we’re good enough to dictate terms now.

This x 100.

I recall the narrative (although much weaker) around North was that they gutted their list of old players and made themselves crap, so they dont deserve the PP. We did the opposite in getting in Baker (and kept guys like Gov and Cripps) and trying to be more competive now, and that's a reason against us getting a PP...?

The reality is that the media dont care about the reason why we shouldnt get a PP - they just pick one that goes against our approach. Either they dont believe in PP or just dont want us to get one because its us and we've wont some premierships. But bad luck - PPs do exist, our list is historically bad and our win/loss record is more than bad enough to warrant a PP package.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Caroline Wilson said under no circumstances will WC get a PP. Reckons the Vic clubs will scream the house down. Made all sorts of excuses for Vic clubs getting them but not 2018 premiers.
Waste of space Coneys piled in saying we are to arrogant and told him to buggar off years ago when he criticised our list management . Must have been carrying a chip on his shoulders since.
Tho’ I have to question how a chip could survive so long near a mouth that size.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Nice clubs finish last.

And we have been far too nice for far too long.

The talent dilution took a massive hit when GCS and gws came into the fray it’s about to get worse with another club to come. Need to get our hands off our dicks and start playing the system

 

[Goomba1973]

If you just take a step back and look at west coast's results over the past three years, and look at the limited amount of talent coming through, you can mount a serious argument that no team in the history of the AFL has been this bad for this long and so poorly placed to rebuild.

People talk about our juniors coming through like we just need time for them to develop, but whilst there are some positives, there's not really any indication our current crop of kids is special. In fact in terms of what they have shown I worry its actually fairly similar to what most other clubs not in full rebuild mode have got cooking away in the 2s, rather than what you would expect a team this bad to have gotten from multiple years with good access to the draft- Some will come good, some will wash out, but the state of our list is so dire and there is so little talent in the middle of our list age bracket that there's a good chance the kids coming through will just maintain rather than actually improve the state of our list. Eg if Brock turns out to be an amazing, AA calibre defender that doesn't mean we are better, it just means we won't get even worse when Gov retires. The critical mass we need, of four or five top tier midfield prospects coming through, simply isn't there. If you look at what we have in the pipeline compared to say North or Richmond, we're gambling with a losing hand.

So yeah, we need assistance.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks. it sucks that the history of west coast as a power club has been effectively washed away by a combination of bad luck and incompetence. It sucks that we are now so bad that the rest of the competition isn't even laughing at us anymore, they're genuinely concerned what we mean for the integrity of the league. And it sucks that the club has ****ed the situation so badly that there's effectively no pathway out of it on our own, but that is where it is at. Trading picks for Baker last year was an exercise in delusional thinking about the state of the list, and failing to ask for priority picks or any other assistance from the AFL would be even more delusional.

The team should be begging for whatever sort of draft pick or list assistance it can get.

North from 2022 to 2024 8 wins and was in pretty much the same position for a rebuild as WC with ( better if you add the assistance package)
WC from 2022 to 2024 10 wins - was in denial and fumbled a rebuild like a teenage boy trying to take off a bra for the first time.

WC do need to the assistance package and should ask for the same deal north got. (1 end of first round pick in 2023 and 2 in 2024).

We need to look at a combo of what Hawthorn have done in their recruitment, What Brisbane did in bringing in Hodge, and what Richmond have done in the draft. Let Oscar go, not doing so is just madness. On current ladder positions and with a couple of end of first rounders we get 1,2 ( comp pick for Oscar) , 14 ( Hawks) , 17,18 ( assistance package) , 21 ( pushed back from 19) . If Harley goes, we talk to the bombers and get picks 2 and 9. So 1,2,3,9,14,17,18,21.( I would rather keep Reid, but if he wants to go that is the best deal we could get for him). With a bit of brain power, being a bit ruthless and having sizeable cap space we can speed up the rebuild. Wait for Warner to hit FA then go after him so we don't lose any high end draft capital.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Expect the vic media anti-priority pick drums to beat louder and louder now that we’re two games clear on the bottom.

Absolutely terrified at the prospect of the afl handing us a first round pick and west coast taking picks 1, 2 and 3 to the draft.

All of a sudden this is a completely unacceptable scenario and the draft cannot be compromised in such a manner.

Picking our second pick at pick 30 every year absolutely fine though.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Afl handing us a first round pick and west coast taking picks 1, 2 and 3 to the draft.

One can dream.

In all seriousness, Oscar leaves (Band 2) and Harley.....This will only get worse, either the AFL assist with a leg up or a godfather package needed 3/4 years from now.

 

[Jandamarra]

Expect the vic media anti-priority pick drums to beat louder and louder now that we’re two games clear on the bottom.

Absolutely terrified at the prospect of the afl handing us a first round pick and west coast taking picks 1, 2 and 3 to the draft.

All of a sudden this is a completely unacceptable scenario and the draft cannot be compromised in such a manner.

Picking our second pick at pick 30 every year absolutely fine though.

Caro has already ruled out the eagles getting priority pick

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

We can't control whether the AFL will treat us with equality to the Melbourne teams and give us a PP package. The reality is they probably won't give us one.

But i will be very disappointed in Pyke if he doesn't for one ask and stick up for us if the AFL says No by having a public fight with them about it. I think what hapenned last year when we didn't ask was that the AFL quietly told us No before we had even applied or asked. They wanted to head it off early and avoid any controversy by having us not even ask. Because then they don't have to make a decision and upset anybody. If they do that again this year i think we should apply anyway and force them to publicly say No and then have a fight with them about it.

If we do that then we will increase the chances of getting one next year by making the AFL aware that there will be a public fight about it if they say No again. If they think the option of getting out of making a decision and having a fight is there by quietly saying No behind closed doors early on in the peace and getting us to go along with it by not applying they will keep taking that route.

 

[Choogler]

If you just take a step back and look at west coast's results over the past three years, and look at the limited amount of talent coming through, you can mount a serious argument that no team in the history of the AFL has been this bad for this long and so poorly placed to rebuild.

People talk about our juniors coming through like we just need time for them to develop, but whilst there are some positives, there's not really any indication our current crop of kids is special. In fact in terms of what they have shown I worry its actually fairly similar to what most other clubs not in full rebuild mode have got cooking away in the 2s, rather than what you would expect a team this bad to have gotten from multiple years with good access to the draft- Some will come good, some will wash out, but the state of our list is so dire and there is so little talent in the middle of our list age bracket that there's a good chance the kids coming through will just maintain rather than actually improve the state of our list. Eg if Brock turns out to be an amazing, AA calibre defender that doesn't mean we are better, it just means we won't get even worse when Gov retires. The critical mass we need, of four or five top tier midfield prospects coming through, simply isn't there. If you look at what we have in the pipeline compared to say North or Richmond, we're gambling with a losing hand.

So yeah, we need assistance.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks. it sucks that the history of west coast as a power club has been effectively washed away by a combination of bad luck and incompetence. It sucks that we are now so bad that the rest of the competition isn't even laughing at us anymore, they're genuinely concerned what we mean for the integrity of the league. And it sucks that the club has ****ed the situation so badly that there's effectively no pathway out of it on our own, but that is where it is at. Trading picks for Baker last year was an exercise in delusional thinking about the state of the list, and failing to ask for priority picks or any other assistance from the AFL would be even more delusional.

The team should be begging for whatever sort of draft pick or list assistance it can get.

No we shouldn't beg.. The state of a club's list is of that club's own making. The AFL should never be bailing out any club's poor list management decisions.
So, Id rather we didn't lower ourselves to the same level as the NM Beggaroos, but if the club applies and gets a pick... so be it!

 

[Choogler]

Expect the vic media anti-priority pick drums to beat louder and louder now that we’re two games clear on the bottom.

Absolutely terrified at the prospect of the afl handing us a first round pick and west coast taking picks 1, 2 and 3 to the draft.

All of a sudden this is a completely unacceptable scenario and the draft cannot be compromised in such a manner.

Picking our second pick at pick 30 every year absolutely fine though.

1, 2, 3 will never happen... like NM, probably an end of first rounder that'll possibly have to be traded

 

[UseR2006]

Kane says nahhhh

https://archive.md/i7Z0z

Basically, we haven't asked but even if we did teams should be able to rebuild through the draft.

 

[southcoast]

Kane says nahhhh

https://archive.md/i7Z0z

Basically, we haven't asked but even if we did teams should be able to rebuild through the draft.

Just read that article - will get the crowd going.

 

[The Gtrain]

Kane says nahhhh

https://archive.md/i7Z0z

Basically, we haven't asked but even if we did teams should be able to rebuild through the draft.

I wonder if her old club gets more priority picks this year

 

[DorothyG]

 

[DanWCE]

Should the Dockers ask for a Priority Pick is the bigger question

 

[ThePuma #9]

We make money - no fear of folding

North make no money - fear of folding

Got to keep those television rights going, heaven forbid they lost a team or two.

There’s your “equalization” right there.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Kane says nahhhh

https://archive.md/i7Z0z

Basically, we haven't asked but even if we did teams should be able to rebuild through the draft.

First of all it's very disappointing that Pyke hasn't asked, but Kane should've stopped at that.
Suddenly she thinks that the vAFL has to make a statement about no more PP's after Norf received years of them...