Expansion Should Victorian AFL Clubs fly north to NSW and Queensland every winter ?

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Most AFL supporters in NSW and Qld could trace their footy connection back to the bigger Victorian clubs. You only have to look at attendances (albeit restricted at present) with Essendon and Carlton playing at Metricon recently. Cats and Pies always draw big crowds in Sydney and Brisbane. Weather in Victoria is less than inspiring in July. Footy is always about the competition between the clubs rather than the individual clubs themselves. Why not just bring the Victorian competition, rivalry and everything to the northern states for a few weeks every season...the true footy fans will turn up...create the atmosphere.
 

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Most AFL supporters in NSW and Qld could trace their footy connection back to the bigger Victorian clubs. You only have to look at attendances (albeit restricted at present) with Essendon and Carlton playing at Metricon recently. Cats and Pies always draw big crowds in Sydney and Brisbane. Weather in Victoria is less than inspiring in July. Footy is always about the competition between the clubs rather than the individual clubs themselves. Why not just bring the Victorian competition, rivalry and everything to the northern states for a few weeks every season...the true footy fans will turn up...create the atmosphere.
The traditional big 4 from Melbourne need to play in NSW & Q every year as part of the FIXture ..... & include the games transferred out of Melbourne to the NT, NQ & Tas , for exactly the same reasons you outline.

The FIXture is about HQ self interest.
 

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The traditional big 4 from Melbourne need to play in NSW & Q every year as part of the FIXture ..... & include the games transferred out of Melbourne to the NT, NQ & Tas , for exactly the same reasons you outline.

The FIXture is about HQ self interest.
your wish of forcing melbourne based clubs to play home games in other states against those states clubs is never happening (outside pandemic shitfight)

esp your wet dream of forcing them to play WCE as the "away" team at perth
 

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your wish of forcing melbourne based clubs to play home games in other states against those states clubs is never happening (outside pandemic shitfight)

esp your wet dream of forcing them to play WCE as the "away" team at perth
Reckon the change of perspective is even making a mark on the commentators, :cool:

The OP here touched on the FIXture, the special treatment of some clubs ... home & away was a pillar of the State League days, but it casts a shadow over national comp.
The mayor of Townsville made the call, not listening? She was chasing for Colliingwood to play there, home or away didnt get a mention.
 

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Reckon the change of perspective is even making a mark on the commentators, :cool:

The OP here touched on the FIXture, the special treatment of some clubs ... home & away was a pillar of the State League days, but it casts a shadow over national comp.
The mayor of Townsville made the call, not listening? She was chasing for Colliingwood to play there, home or away didnt get a mention.
I know your agenda though, and your agenda is 15 home games for the eagles
 

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I know your agenda though, and your agenda is 15 home games for the eagles
The agenda is for the eagles and other interstate teams to play the same ratio of interstate games as they do currently and for melbourne teams to get closer to the same ratio.

Its quite instructive the horror evinced by mcg tenant teams when any idea espousing equality is mentioned.

they always try to spin it so that the interstate teams will get an unfair leg up when all it involves is their team being drawn back to the pack.
 

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The agenda is for the eagles and other interstate teams to play the same ratio of interstate games as they do currently and for melbourne teams to get closer to the same ratio.

Its quite instructive the horror evinced by mcg tenant teams when any idea espousing equality is mentioned.

they always try to spin it so that the interstate teams will get an unfair leg up when all it involves is their team being drawn back to the pack.
We have 11 each, you win :)
 

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Most AFL supporters in NSW and Qld could trace their footy connection back to the bigger Victorian clubs. You only have to look at attendances (albeit restricted at present) with Essendon and Carlton playing at Metricon recently. Cats and Pies always draw big crowds in Sydney and Brisbane. Weather in Victoria is less than inspiring in July. Footy is always about the competition between the clubs rather than the individual clubs themselves. Why not just bring the Victorian competition, rivalry and everything to the northern states for a few weeks every season...the true footy fans will turn up...create the atmosphere.
You want to take a number of home games off clubs and further fu** up the fixture just for... for what reason?
 

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You want to take a number of home games off clubs and further fu** up the fixture just for... for what reason?
The reason being that theres too many clubs in one city

And theres nothing being done about that.

Currently its interstate clubs bear the brunt of that - too many clubs in one city - and we pay the price.

i think if the large victorian clubs paid the price then they would reallllly quickly come to the same conclusion and something would be done.
 

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Some clubs offer members 17 game packages. Gil is in a new phase, fairness, possibly it was just fleeting .... :mad:
Not home. Home and away

I know RFC people who get access to the scg when we play the swans as a part of their interstate membership.

It happens, because just like when we play Collingwood, the club buys the access for the member from the stadium. Its not part of host rights or any other vicco conspiracy
 

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The reason being that theres too many clubs in one city

And theres nothing being done about that.

Currently its interstate clubs bear the brunt of that - too many clubs in one city - and we pay the price.

i think if the large victorian clubs paid the price then they would reallllly quickly come to the same conclusion and something would be done.
what needs to be done, exactly?
 

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Not home. Home and away

I know RFC people who get access to the scg when we play the swans as a part of their interstate membership.

It happens, because just like when we play Collingwood, the club buys the access for the member from the stadium. Its not part of host rights or any other vicco conspiracy
Arrangements between venues & clubs is another one of the things in the hands of the venues.

Its not a conspiracy its about hanging on to advantage of the home & away template that no longer applies, its a FIXture. The OP was clarifying the failure of some clubs to carry their share of the travel burden in NSW & Q.
 

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The reason being that theres too many clubs in one city

And theres nothing being done about that.

Currently its interstate clubs bear the brunt of that - too many clubs in one city - and we pay the price.

i think if the large victorian clubs paid the price then they would reallllly quickly come to the same conclusion and something would be done.
“there’s too many clubs in one city” isn’t a reason for anything. It’s just a statement. If you think it causes problems then talk about them.
 

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“there’s too many clubs in one city” isn’t a reason for anything. It’s just a statement. If you think it causes problems then talk about them.
It causes an imbalance in travel. if victoria had 7-8 teams we could have a more equal travel schedule and victorian teams would get more games with real home ground advantage

too many teams are on a permadrip as its not sustainable to have so many teams in a medium sized city.

Minnow teams have to sell games out of victoria as they cant get the crowd numbers to be sustainable - costing interstate clubs valuable mcg experience.

Thats right off the top of my head
 

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It causes an imbalance in travel. if victoria had 7-8 teams we could have a more equal travel schedule and victorian teams would get more games with real home ground advantage

too many teams are on a permadrip as its not sustainable to have so many teams in a medium sized city.

Minnow teams have to sell games out of victoria as they cant get the crowd numbers to be sustainable - costing interstate clubs valuable mcg experience.

Thats right off the top of my head
And moving all Melbourne clubs to Queensland for a few weeks in the middle of the season is going to address these how?
 

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And moving all Melbourne clubs to Queensland for a few weeks in the middle of the season is going to address these how?
Evens up the travel schedule a bit

and if big vic clubshave to suffer for there being too many teams invic instead of interstate sides we might get some movement on the issue.
 

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