Should we be treating 2014 as a development year?

[Manic Magpie]

So why are you complaining about older players like Swan, Ball, Lumumba and Toovey not improving?

Your double standards are absolutely ludicrous

Is development only about the very youngest players? If we have developed players to the extent you claim, why do we look likely to slip out of the eight? Surely player development should improve team success. Instead, we are slipping out of final 8 contention.

 

[Manic Magpie]

Josh Thomas just isn't that good. Seed has been injured, but has been more influential than last year. Adams has been fine. Agree on Marley, but you can understand that given his lead up.

But he was better last year! As for Seedsman, he has had little influence compared to previous years that I can see.

 

[Pendles!]

But he was better last year!

Beats up on bad teams, goes to water against good teams. Exactly the same as last year.

 

[SuperSub17]

Beats up on bad teams, goes to water against good teams. Exactly the same as last year.

One of his best games last year was against Sydney at ANZ...

 

[Pendles!]

One of his best games last year was against Sydney at ANZ...

Yeah fair enough, that's one.

Other than that I just don't see it. Happy to be proven wrong!

 

[Magpie Mason]

I would like to see some improvement in our game plan. If we are developing players we also have to develop a method by which they play together. The game plan, or the ability to execute is lacking. With the list we have, including some of those young guys, we should not be satisfied with just making the eight, even though that is in question. Remember 2010/11 we played some of the best football around. eddy was spitting chips that we lost in the first week of finals last year. if we don't make the eight, or don't win in the first week, we can expect some wholesale changes of players and coaching staff, and the development year won't be an excuse.

 

[1eye]

Development year- next year too

 

[theaflife]

Yes. With a more experienced team we would have beaten bulldogs, Adelaide and Gold Coast and would be sitting clear 2nd. We have a lot of young players and they are inconsistent. Next year those games might go our way with more experience to our younger players

 

[Manic Magpie]

Development year- next year too

Are development years those in which we don't achieve much team success?

 

[1eye]

Y

Are development years those in which we don't achieve much team success?

yep

 

[Old Spice]

I would like to see some improvement in our game plan. If we are developing players we also have to develop a method by which they play together. The game plan, or the ability to execute is lacking. With the list we have, including some of those young guys, we should not be satisfied with just making the eight, even though that is in question. Remember 2010/11 we played some of the best football around. eddy was spitting chips that we lost in the first week of finals last year. if we don't make the eight, or don't win in the first week, we can expect some wholesale changes of players and coaching staff, and the development year won't be an excuse.

Are you related to Luke Mason?

 

[TradeDraft]

Now we should.

We won’t make the Top 4 and not even close to Challenging for a Flag.

I even Bring in Gault and Karnezis for next week

 

[TradeDraft]

Again Adams had played three excellent games prior to yesterday and will be a big part of the side long term.

Spot On. Has had good form over the last few weeks.

People Bashing him are going over the top

 

[Magpie Mason]

Are you related to Luke Mason?

no, not that I am aware of.

 

[Krueger]

Are development years those in which we don't achieve much team success?

Nah just its just a lame arse excuse for treading water or going backwards. TBH what noticeable improvement have we seen over the last few years? SFA if you ask me. Kickouts?, Forward entries?, Skills?, Gameplan?

 

[Luke Sicari]

Are development years those in which we don't achieve much team success?

That is an extremely negative way to put it. Developing players and youth is apart of football. Every team goes through developmental years, where yes, there isn't much success but there isn't meant to be. Those 'rebuliding' years we will call them, are there for the younger players to develop and learn the game at the professional level. Some teams development years are quicker then others, see Port. Some take much much much longer, see Melbourne. But at the end of the day, every team goes through them. I would put us in the Port-style of developing years. Obviously we haven't achieved the success they have this season, they are winning while developing young players at the same time. I would say we are doing the same thing.

 

[Vankri]

Nah just its just a lame arse excuse for treading water or going backwards. TBH what noticeable improvement have we seen over the last few years? SFA if you ask me. Kickouts?, Forward entries?, Skills?, Gameplan?

Between 2012 and now:

Defensive structure undoubtedly.
Two-way running.
Kickouts definitely, but then again we were starting from very, very far in this department.
Developing rucks as well especially in a duo structure.
And you can add individual improvement to important players for our future: Beams, Elliott, Witts, Williams, Frost, Kennedy, Seedsman.

But that wouldn't sit well with your rant now, would it?

 

[Luke Sicari]

Some stats that can relate to our development that everyone can discuss

 

[TradeDraft]

View attachment 66470 Some stats that can relate to our development that everyone can discuss

Our Back 6 are Shit?

 

[Robroy22]

View attachment 66470 Some stats that can relate to our development that everyone can discuss[/QUOTE

Do you have the same stats for the weeks before when we were winning?
Or is the glass always half empty?

 

[Vankri]

View attachment 66470 Some stats that can relate to our development that everyone can discuss

So we're meant to judge the development of our back 6 based on the "last month" of footy only (GC, Carlton, Hawks, WB games)? I'd like to see the full season stats before judging, and all stats that relate to our defense, not a selection made to paint us in a bad light.

 

[Luke Sicari]

Our Back 6 are Shit?

Never said that and don't think they are.

 

[Luke Sicari]

Don't have the stats before those games. Saw this on footy classified last night

 

[Luke Sicari]

So we're meant to judge the development of our back 6 based on the "last month" of footy only (GC, Carlton, Hawks, WB games)? I'd like to see the full season stats before judging, and all stats that relate to our defense, not a selection made to paint us in a bad light.

No definitely not. Development needs to be based over years and years.

I just saw these stats on footy classified and thought it related to our development and would be fun to discuss.

 

[loki04]

Wasn't this year always a development year?

Club thought it was a decent premiership chance.