Should we play 4 quicks and no spinner in 3rd Test against India?

Should we go into the 3rd test match with 4 quicks and no spinner?

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Carl Hooper

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Starc isn't a test level bowler yet.

Lyon should get a gig over him... Monty got a 5-fer here once. So anything can happen. :D
 

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The best pitch for spin so far this season has been at the Gabba and that was when Lyon looked his best. Since then they have either been in favour of pacemen or flat. I wish we could see Lyon at the Gabba against the Indians, hopefully the WACA sticks with how it has been playing in domestic cricket.
 

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I hope Lyon plays we need to keep giving him games and see what he can do. He's improving and needs to play more cricket. Would be nice if Watson was fit and could bowl some overs and be that fourth quick aswell as being a good bat.
 

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If tonight's performance in the Big Bash is anything to go by, he learns quickly. Would have 4 wickets in 15 balls if a caught behind was correctly given out. Bowling superbly, albeit in favourable conditions (although the ball is also wet, which doesn't help). If he does play he'll be going in on a real high after tonight.
Worth rolling the dice for this game, I reckon. Not a lot to lose by playing him. He bowls some crap, but mixes it it up with some genuine jaffas and can get sharp bounce (& swing), which they don't like. He will need to bowl better than he did against NZ, though, if he plays.
 
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Play four quicks and use Clarke as the spinner. I've never really understood why Clarke didn't bowl more often to be honest. His few overs the other day were far better than anything Lyon has produced to date against the Indians.

Lyon hasn't troubled them at all; complete lack of variation will do that to a rao though I guess.
 

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Interesting comments by Paul Collingwood in today's paper: The 35-year-old Englishman recalled how a four-man Australian pace attack demolished England on a bouncy Perth wicket last summer.

"It wasn't pleasant against that four-man pace attack if I am entirely honest," said Collingwood, who retired after England's 3-1 Ashes triumph last year.

"It is the fastest, most bouncy track in the world, whether you are out in the middle or practice nets.

"Indian techniques don't tend to be too good on bouncy tracks and Australia is exploiting that," he said.

"Lyon has also done a very good job for them so far but it wasn't that nice against four pacemen in the Ashes."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/cricket/a-pom-pushing-for-pace/story-fn67x4c9-1226239366260

It obviously doesn't hold anywhere near as much appeal as would have if it was Patto instead of Starc, though.
 

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So Watson has been ruled out of 2nd test in Sydney if this article is correct: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ame-for-scg-test/story-e6frg7mf-1226232482621

Now if there is a pitch in Australia that a spin bowler like Lyon should thrive on, then it is Sydney. My question is, if Lyon fails to take any top order wickets in Sydney in the 2nd test, should he be replaced with Watson for the 3rd test?

It would mean we have 4 fast bowlers and no spinner, but with Siddle, Hilf and Patto bowling so well in Melbourne, you couldnt justify dropping any of them. A straight swap of Lyon out, Watson in would obviously increasing out batting ranks since Lyon is an absolute bunny, and we would have 4 genuine threats with the ball. As a type this Lyon is getting smashed to all corners of the MCG by Indias 10th and 11th batsmen, and luckily Warner takes a rippa catch on the boundary to give Lyon a wicket.

Do we really need a spinner if they arent quality?
So Watson isn't fit, but at least the selectors agree with my thinking.
 

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Batting in the nets on the bowling machine would be more taxing on the back than bowling a few tweakers every now and again.

Blokes with stuffed backs don't make 300+ either.
If you have NFI - don't post what you think because of your limited knowledge and life expereinces.

He doesn't bowl much becasue he has back problems. If you knew anything about them, you might know that bowling is a lot worse ont he abck than batting.
 
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Not sure I'd call Lyon an absolute bunny.
Not saying that in the slightest. But I don't think there should be a hard and fast rule that teams always play with 3 pacemen and 1 spinner. If the conditions dictate 4 pacemen, or 2 pacemen and 2 spinners, or some other combination, so be it.

Lyon should be back for the 4th Test. As to who drops out, let's wait and see if they all come out fit after 5 days. Starc is probably 1st to go if Harris and Hilf remain fit.
 

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I don't think there should be a hard and fast rule that teams always play with 3 pacemen and 1 spinner. If the conditions dictate 4 pacemen, or 2 pacemen and 2 spinners, or some other combination, so be it.
Completely agree. No need to be inflexible. Flexibility gives you a great chance of giving yourself your best chance of having your strongest team for the conditions of every match. :thumbsu:

 

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Argument about overrate is definitely out the window from that first session. If we will miss the spinner later on is still to be decided. What is clear already is Pup is more comfortable with the use of the quicks, he doesn't have to stress about how he is going to rest his bowlers. Just needs Starc to maintain the confidence of Clarke.
 

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Well our quicks have taken 4 top order wickets in 28 overs.

Where are the doubters?
The 4th quick hasn't made any difference, starc has played 3 tests on green decks and everything has been legside or starting wide outside off and moving away.

If lyon played 3 tests on turning tracks and bowled as poorly as starc he would be crucified.
 
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Woohoo!

Just saw Starc bowl a good length delivery beating outside edge of VVS. First one since I started watching broadcast.

Then he has to cheek to mutter a few words to VVS, seriously this guy is garbage.
 

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Starc certainly bowls some "garbage", but he's also bowled some absolute crackers (like the inswinging LBW that could have been correctly given out, early in his first spell, an even better ripping inswinging yorker that VVS just kept out, plus some other top balls), so he's not "garbage" overall.
He's a long way from reaching his potential, though and is only playing because Patto and Cummins (and maybe even Hazlewood and Cutting) are not available.

EDIT: Another cracking inswinging yorker gets Starc a well deserved wicket.
 

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Woohoo!

Just saw Starc bowl a good length delivery beating outside edge of VVS. First one since I started watching broadcast.

Then he has to cheek to mutter a few words to VVS, seriously this guy is garbage.
Well Starc has just done in 1 innings, what took Lyon 4.

Australia definitely made the right choice.

4 quicks at the WACA - who would have thought this would work?
Very quiet in this thread and all the Lyon backers and people who voted No look a bit silly now dont they?
 
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No, not really.

I stick by the fact we need to stick with and develop a spinner, even in unfavourable conditions.

Starc did sfa in the first innings. Would have made no difference if he or Lyon were playing. He took a couple of bunnies at the end. Big deal. If he takes a couple of batsman in the next innings you might get a bit more support.
 
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